But really Dean should have been more careful

[usregimechange]

Edwards and Biden were wrong to not stand up for Dean but Dean needs to start using the phrase "Republican leadership" when making such comments. We don't want to energize their base, and we certainly can't afford to alienate the center.

Dean has an image problem, that is, mostly not his fault at all. However, he needs to stop giving the right wing propaganda machine bullets to shoot at him. Yeeeawwwww!

[knowbody0]

1. the right wing

makes propaganda out of anything democrats say. they report out of context to twist it to their purpose. do not rely on msm, go to the source.............

[JNelson6563]

2. Yes, Republican Leadership

is definitely the phrase to use.

Julie

[LSdemocrat]

3. If it wasn't for Edwards and Biden no one would have noticed the comment

The RNC puts out all sorts highly inflammatory crap yet you don't hear McCain and Hagel coming out and criticizing the party.

[paulk]

5. Biden was asked a direct question

accompanied by a video clip

on a nationally televised show

so I don't understand your premise

that if it wasn't for him no one would have noticed

apparently somebody noticed

[ClassWarrior]

4. Not really.

Dean doesn't even OWN a pink tutu. :headbang:

NGU.

[CWebster]

6. No, he should not

Every perceived Dean gaffe usually comes out making Dean look right. Meanwhile the idea that Republicans are greedy bastards who rely on inherited wealth, etc gets a foothold. Class war is the road to a populist-style backlash. Other politicins are jealous that their finger isn't on the pulse and it reminds them of their own cowardice.

[bklyncowgirl]

11. You're right, they are greedy bastards.

Let's look at some past Dean "gaffes".

Said Saddam's capture didn't make America safer--most people would agree today.

Said Democrats needed to go after voters with confederate flags on their pickups (i.e. white working class guys)-- OK the wording might have been a little offensive to some but the sentiment was dead on.

Said Homeland security was using the terror alerts politically--Tom Ridge has basicly admitted this.

If the Republicans can paint Democrats and liberals as latte-sipping cultural elitists, why can't Democrats paint Republicans as greedy, power mad, corporate scum not to mention religious nutjobs who want to control your private life.

And he said it so much nicer than I did too.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

7. Edwards and Biden could've just said "I respectfully disagree".

They didn't need to say Dean doesn't speak for the party. Grade A undercutting job.

[flamin lib]

8. So what if Dean said that he hates Republicans?

The Republicans have been lumping all Democrats together for decades! Tax & Spend Democrats. Weak on defense Democrats. Liberal Democrats. Weak on crime Democrats.

Has any Republican spokesman ever said Democratic leadership? Not that I remember.

Eff 'em if they can't take what they dish out.

Bunch of whiney babies!

[Larkspur]

9. Biden and Edwards should have said what George Lakoff said

to the C-SPAN host who was interviewing him -- Dean's comment was taken out of context and everyone who atteneded that speech knew Dean was referring to Republican lawmakers, not Republican voters. The wince on the C-Span hosts' face at being hit with the Truth was a pleasant surprise. That is how you take the wind out of the Reichwing Media.

[11cents]

13. Except Lakoff's claim doesn't seem to be true.

Maybe Dean was talking about the GOP leadership earlier, but in the quote in question he was clearly making a derisive reference to GOP voters. I mean, he just was. Look at the quote, the entire paragraph.

I think Biden and Edwards should have stood up for him anyway. Fuck the GOP "outrage" machine, and fuck Democratic politicians who play to the corrupt pundits. But Dean's comment was still careless and dopey.

[Larkspur]

17. Lakoff attended Dean's speech so he knows the context that that

comment was made. He was quick to rebuke the C-SPAN host. It was the Media, not Howard Dean, who took the comment out of context and they did it to create controversy to improve their ratings and rapport with the Bush Admin.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

10. oy vey...lets not upset the righties must let them keep framing.......

biden needs calcium supplements

[Pirate Smile]

12. Can we move on, please?

[NoPasaran]

14. Piss on the right wing!

Rethugs make outrageous horseshit comments every single day of their miserable existences and NOBODY ever calls them on it. Fuck them and their propaganda machine and fuck the cowardly lilly-livered Dems who don't have the guts to play in the big leagues!

[dajoki]

15. it doesn't matter what dean says

they will take it out of context, twist it, spin it and puke it out all over the air waves.

[Debi]

16. Maybe appeasement Democrats should stop their knee-jerk

dismissal of Dean and start standing up for him.

I didn't see republicans attacking Cheney for saying 'Go Fuck Yourself' on the Senate Floor....but Dean states a very plain fact (some republicans have lived their entire lives on trust-funds or jobs handed to them through nepotism ) and Democrats should stop running from his statements and start defending the Chair of our Party.

[killbotfactory]

18. It get's his name out there and then he gets on more shows

Which means more chances to bash the republican party.

Heck, I would start doing it intentionally.

No one pays attention to all the crazy shit coming out of the republican leaderships mouths.