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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:49 AM
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Dean Does It Again
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/03/05/BL2005040700999.html

Dean Does It Again

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 7, 2005; 8:27 AM

Howard Dean is under fire again -- this time from some of his fellow Democrats.

By Dean standards, what he said wasn't all that inflammatory. It was obviously a tongue-in-cheek remark that went a little too far -- certainly no Tom-DeLay-should-be-in-jail slam. But in his new job Dean sometimes forgets, as he occasionally did when running for president, that tossing off the kind of jokes he did when he was governor of Vermont is risky in the echo chamber of national politics.


It was somewhat predictable, when Dean won the DNC chairmanship, that he'd become embroiled in flaps like this. The red-meat rhetoric that so excited his liberal base in 2003 and '04 is problematic when a chairman speaks, since he is presumed, fairly or unfairly, to be speaking for his party. As a candidate, he can imitate Rush Limbaugh snorting coke, I suppose, but as a DNC chairman, it creates controversy.

CNN even trotted out The Scream yesterday.

(On the other hand, journalists should thank their lucky stars that they have a colorful chairman to cover, as opposed to another strictly-on-message Ken Mehlman type.)

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wtbymark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:54 AM
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1. hmmm, good, you don't like Dean?
leave the party then, go form the corperate democratic party, I'm sure your beltway buddies will join.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:54 AM
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2. it was somewhat predictable
that the corporate whore media would continue to smear dean with this ginned up bullshit. fuck you howie.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:54 AM
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3. and again I say: where was all this outrage when those of us opposed
to Iraq were openly called treasonous? Where? Someone tell me why there is no outrage (and that it still continues, and still there is nothing said).

Seriously, this is a perfect opportunity to discuss this. And yet no 'serious' news organization is making the OBVIOUS connection. :banghead:

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:58 AM
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4. Yawn... another smear job from the Pravda on the Potomac
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 08:59 AM by depakid
Who'd a thunk it?
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:02 AM
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5. Typical Howard-the-dick column.
Like trotting out CNN trotting out "The Scream"--without saying anything further about it, like how fake it was. Kurtz is a complete waste of time to read. Dan Froomkin does this sort of thing so much better--and more honestly.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:04 AM
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6. Here we go again...Howie - Prefect for the Perfect.
Put your ruler and Dem-meter down, Howie, and tell us how many incomes you have.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:09 AM
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7. Howie-the-whore
Could Kurtz be more irrelevant??
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Brooklyn Michael Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:15 AM
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8. Oh, please....
:boring:

In the grand sceme of inflammatory quotes, this was barely worth writing about, much less worth Edwards and Biden poo-pooing. Trippi has a point - Democratic politics needs to be less worried about being polished and politic, and start speaking from the gut.

You don't see any conservative politicians, columnists, bloggers wringing their hands when Delay, or McClellan, Hatch, etc., etc. says something jaw-droppingly inappropriate, do you?

I didn't think so.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:17 AM
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9. is this article on the EDITORIALS page? sounds like an opinion piece
not a "news story"

Msongs
www.msongs.com/liberaltshirts.htm
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:58 PM
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17. It's Kurtz' column
No one really knows what the hell it is supposed to be.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:43 AM
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10. Tongue in cheek? A joke?
Dean wasn't joking at all. He's been misinterpreted and spun out of context, but he was dead serious.

http://www.dembloggers.com/story/2005/6/7/82247/92314

The above is a cutout, but in the context of election reform.

Dean was right and it's no joke.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 11:11 AM
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11. Howie the Whore has a BIGGER show on CNN Sunday's now. With an
AUDIENCE! He's been rewarded admirably for his "services."

He's really despicable.

Not only some Dems but ALL the Repugs want to bring Dean down. I'm telling you the "powers that be" will keep at Dean to try to force him to Resign. If they have to go at his wife kids and relatives they will keep at it to smear and try to humiliate him because they want him GONE.

I think he will stay because he has more guts in his shirt button than these jackles have in their whole failing strategy of smearing and lying
to cover up their own crimes against "the people."
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:45 PM
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20. Blech, please tell me you are kidding about cnn
giving the DC's biggest combover more airtime, please... :shrug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 02:28 PM
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21. No, not kidding and with a LIVE audience, too... Had misfortune of running
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 02:32 PM by KoKo01
across it this Sunday while surfing. Hundreds of people in that "live: audience and it looked like it was expanded to an hour. Made me sick. :puke: Roman Circuses where the "gladiators" spar...
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 11:21 AM
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12. I don't remember this much of a 'stink' when VP Cheney...
...angrily told a US Representative to fuck off. But what's really disturbing is that some democrats are actually helping to character assassinate Dean in the media.

Dean should quit the chair and run in 2008. That would really piss off the DLC.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:30 PM
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14. Or when Bush gave the middle finger "Victory Slaute" to the cameras.
n/t
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:38 PM
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18. Or this big of a stink when DeLay said Democrats have "no class"
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 01:39 PM by JaneQPublic
In the days following that remark, you didn't see Timmy Russett, Wolfie, or Tweety asking every Repug whether they agreed with DeLay's statement -- you know, the way they all did to every Dem after Dean's remark about Republicans.

Provocative statements by the GOP just don't seem to have the media shelf life that Dem's remarks do.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 11:50 AM
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13. I can't help but wonder...
.... how much of this stuff really works for us rather than against us.

See, I'm of the (apparently minority) opinion that one of the Dem's biggest problems with Americans at large is that we take it and take it and take it and never dish it out.

How strongly held are your beliefs if you will never defend yourself? How certain of your position are you if you won't fight? If someone attacks you and you don't defend yourself, are you fit to run the country?

When the media makes mountains out of these statements, it reminds me of the adage "there is no such thing as bad publicity".

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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:32 PM
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15. How many ways can we repeat Howard is a Whore?
The word just doesn't do what he does justice. He's beyond a whore. He's sorta the Grand Dame of Whores.

Howie...go away.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:57 PM
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16. How many ways indeed
Howie is a B-girl,
Howie is a bag,
Howie is a bawd,
Howie is a bimbo,
Howie is a blower,
Howie is a broad,
Howie is a call girl,
Howie is a camp follower,
Howie is a cat,
Howie is a chicken,
Howie is a chippie,
Howie is a concubine,
Howie is a courtesan,
Howie is a fallen woman,
Howie is a floozy,
Howie is a harlot,
Howie is a ho,
Howie is a hooker,
Howie is a hostess,
Howie is a hustler,
Howie is a jezebel,
Howie is a loose woman,
Howie is a midnight cowboy,
Howie is a model,
Howie is a moll,
Howie is a nymphomaniac,
Howie is a painted woman,
Howie is a party girl,
Howie is a pickup,
Howie is a pink pants,
Howie is a pro,
Howie is a scarlet woman,
Howie is a slut,
Howie is a streetwalker,
Howie is a strumpet,
Howie is a tart,
Howie is a tomato,
Howie is a tramp,
Howie is a trollop,
Howie is a white slave,
Howie is a whore,
Howie is a working girl
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:41 PM
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19. Give Dean a break... the story will go away in a day or two!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 02:30 PM
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22. Not with the Repukes and our Own out there whipping it on. n/t
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