Are you pissed off enough yet?

[Mich Otter]

Are you pissed off enough yet that you are willing to work and otherwise support whatever candidates are running against Republicans?
You have to accept that you are not likely to get a candidate who meets your every criteria. You are going to have to compromise your wishes if we are to get these damn Republicans out of power.
As much as I preferred Kucinich, Dean or Edwards, I worked hard for Kerry because he was the last, best hope to get America back on track to sanity. Are you willing to have any Republicans getting elected or re-elected because you disagree with some issue the Democratic candidate has?
Wake the hell up and jab your neighbor to wake him or her up too.

[whistle]

1. Well,daaah.....yes

[Imagevision]

2. Huh? - what? --who could possibly worse??

then Bush

[Mass]

17. Allen

He seems even worse than Bush, unfortunately.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. Preach on!

People forget that it's the Nelsons and Landrieus that will let the Kennedys and Boxers take control.

[bullimiami]

4. otter

i worked for dean, then i worked for kerry. i did what little i could do with my time and money and kerry lay down and gave bush succor on the very day after the stolen election. no fight, no watching my back, no nothing.

i dont know if i will do it again for the democrats.

[Mich Otter]

16. You are still needed.

What if our soldiers gave up after getting their asses handed to them in a battle in a shooting war? You aren't in this alone. You are fighting for grandmas and kids around the world.
Stick to the fight! We've got a long way to go. I'd like to see a Socialist government but might wind up supporting Hillary Clinton. At least she would be several steps in the right direction. The Republicans have shown they have to go. Rule-the-world Neo-cons and run-your-life Conservatives are in need of getting their asses whipped.

[Catma]

5. Being that pissed off is no

better then being a republican ideologue. I would rather people vote their minds then their association with a political party. Calmer heads always prevail in times of trouble. It may seem bad now but time has proven that no one political party will hold power forever.

[firefox]

7. Exactly

This is not a game between Repukes and Dims. The division will come over fascist v anti-fascist. There is no purity of the the Democratic Party that makes fascist support acceptable.

[Mich Otter]

8. My main point is...

it is vital that people realize they aren't likely to ever get a "perfect' candidate. If they aren't perfect, will you still support them to get rid of the Republicans?

[firefox]

11. No

I will shout that the system is rigged and that the two-party system is fascist ping-pong. I did not vote for Kerry.

[Mich Otter]

13. We are going to get one of the two parties in control, like it or not.

The way I see it is we need to push at every step of the way to get candidates who support human rights, environmental standards, and health care for all. Start locally, start early, stay committed.

[RaleighNCDUer]

9. In democratic Mexico, the PRI held power for 75 years.

Don't think it can't happen here.

As long as the repubs control the election process and the vote tally machines we can expect repub victories.

[Mich Otter]

12. "As long as the repubs control the election process"

This point is one about why it is vital to take back national, state and local control. We must retake the Secretary of States offices to return control of the election process to being honest.

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. You got it.

We need SoS's that will ban Diebold, not welcome them.

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. "Calmer heads always prevail in times of trouble."

In my experience, in times of trouble the ones who prevail are those who yell the loudest, stir up the most anxiety, and panic the sheeple into doing what they want. Calmer heads tend to be steamrollered by mobs.

As a variant of a common saying, if you're not pissed, you're not paying attention.

[99Pancakes]

26. What does that mean?

"...vote their minds then their association with a political party"?

Isn't this the DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND? Isn't this a place where people who vote DEMOCRAT congregate? Maybe I'm in the wrong forum?

[Catma]

28. My understanding

is that is not just democrats but progressives. There is no need to discuss anything if you will only vote party lines no matter what the candidate says

[99Pancakes]

29. Same question

and same statement. This is the Democratic Underground. I'm here because I'm a Democrat. If you feel you need to vote another party in, wouldn't you prefer to be in another forum?

[RaleighNCDUer]

30. The goal of any progressive should be to take power away from

the fascists.

If that means electing moderate or even conservative dems is necessary to regain the majority and thus control the agenda, so be it.

That is the ideological mistake made by all the Naderites over the last five years -- blindly supporting a progressive champion and by doing so, taking votes away from candidates who actually had a chance of stopping the Bush machine.

Maybe, just maybe, if they had voted the lesser of two evils they might not have wound up with the greater of two evils.

[liberal N proud]

6. I have always felt that we need to support what ever candidate

our party puts forward.
That is how the system is supposed to work, you have a primary to narrow the field, then everyone comes together to support the remaining candidate.

[comsymp]

14. Sure, that's how it's SUPPOSED to work...

But in reality, how many state primaries are held after the outcome is already decided? By the time the primary season hits the first 3 or 4 pissant states, the game is basically over.

No offense to Iowans, SC'ians and New Hampshiriteonians (wtf are y'all, anyway?), but seriously~

[Mich Otter]

18. Hey, I supported Kucinich, Dean or Edwards over Kerry

Then I worked hard for Kerry. I didn't get everything I wanted but, I sure as hell didn't want any more Bush-it.

[Mich Otter]

31. I want to see Social-Democrats win

--We need a national health care system to provide insurance for all Americans. We are getting sicker in this country from all the pollution and the working conditions we have to put up with.
--We need an education system that covers everybody as far they can go with their education. Many people, such as Bill Gates for instance, are able to learn enough about a subject to develop new technologies and create new jobs.
--America ought to be setting the standards for how to treat people right. We ought to never face being ashamed of how our military and government treat people. We need government officials who are required to disclose what they are up to, except in those cases where security is honestly involved.
--We have a lot of improvement to be made with child care, providing for our seniors, establishing public transit, getting our judicial system to function honestly, creating jobs, insuring our food supplies are safe, getting the best quality done on our airplane repairs, getting quality done on our roads, bridges and buildings.
--The financial institutions and corporations in America need to be closely regulated to protect our investments in them. Many communities are providing tax breaks for companies that may go belly-up due to internal fraudulent practices.

This is some of what I want politicians to speak to and act on to get my support and vote. I sure haven't seen it so far.

[merbex]

10. I have been pissed off since the shenagins in Fla in 2000

It just keeps getting worse what this administration has done or tried to do

But where is the outrage?

Are people numb? Do they think there is nothing they can do?

When is the Tipping Point for everyone else?

[jonnyblitz]

15. it's what i do every voting period with ZERO enthusiasm

it would be nice to vote for somebody who just isnt the lesser of two evils.

[Mich Otter]

19. Work locally to get the word out about what you want in a candidate.

What kind of issues are most important to you?

[napi21]

20. Of course that's the way to go! That's what the Pubs did.

Many years ago, they started laying their base, getting all Pubs in place, from dog catcher, city councils, state sens and reps, governors, then on to the Feds. I don't want to take 25 years to do it like they did! First of all, I'll be dead by then!!!! But there are always local elections, even in years when there's no "off year" senate and Rep ones. That's what Dean has been trying to promote! Start NOW, and convince local people to run for those small seats.

If we're lucky, we'll get enough done by 2006 to make a change, at least in the Seante!

[ArkDem]

21. >they started laying their base

I thought they were uptight about sex.

[99Pancakes]

27. Funny!

:rofl:

[Mich Otter]

22. "I don't want to take 25 years"

The fight will be taking place forever. There is no end to working for changes that better the world. Your lifetime is a step along the way to improving things. Each time a goal is reached, it is time to raise the bar.
You don't "Win it for once and all". All you can hope for is to step forward and not get pushed back.

[napi21]

25. I agree, but we are being PUSHED BACK!

I happen to like it when there is a split admin and Congress. Sure, they don't get much done, but they don't do any real damage either!

[Mich Otter]

32. "Sure, they don't get much done"

They don't get any real pollution laws passed. They don't get workers rights laws passed or enforced. They don't get real Human Rights acted upon.
They just support the status quo in America. I want better. I will support the most Socialist candidates the Democrats run. I want national health care, human rights, and education, just to start with.
Republicans are working against what I want, Republican-Light Democrats mostly give lip service to what I want.
If you agree with the things I want, we all need to push the Democrats in the right direction.