Dean & Clark are finished

[Leilani]

So say the pundits on CNN's Capital Gang.

Dean is too angry, Clark says mean things, Clark has a really good stump speech & holds outstanding rallies, but it doesn't matter because he blew the debate, Deans's on-line fund raising didn't matter because we should go back to big donors, why vote for anyone but Kerry because they all have the same positions, but he's the most experienced, unlike Dean & Clark who are error prone.

So there...The pundits have decided.

[Cuban_Liberal]

1. LOL!

Ummm...ya. :P

[Zynx]

2. Screw them.

I love Dean and Clark so the media can just rape themselves.

[kiahzero]

6. Off topic...

how exactly does one do that?

[Zynx]

9. You make your hand not want it. ;-)

[laruemtt]

3. the pundits are finished!

thus speaketh the people!! get a real job, pundits.

[are_we_united_yet]

4. Well if CNN says it

it must be so

[Mass_Liberal]

5. I watched the first 15 minutes of that

totally infuriating crap. They are all republicans or anti-dean anti-clark. They just can't stand non-establishment candidates. When Novak tried to shut down Shields when he had made a perfectly resonable statement I was ready to punch the TV. What they said about Dean and Clark was just so blatantly false!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!

[formernaderite]

28. starting to believe some of the conspiracies

I'm starting to believe the conspiracy theorists...that Clark was sent in to neuter Dean, ensuring that neither win and the field would be left to those who've earned their turn.
I just don't think Clark knows this is why he was drafted.

[hellhathnofury]

7. Now we can go on with the peacable re-election of the pResident.

YAY!

Go status quo!

[blm]

8. They're overcompensating for declaring Kerry's candidacy dead for months.

Now, they'll try to redeem themselves. They're idiots.

[newsguyatl]

10. the democratic party

is fucked.


we had a gift given to us with dean, a chance to change things... but instead we'll end up with a nominee who voted FOR the iraq war, voted FOR the bush tax cuts, voted FOR no child left behind, voted FOR the patriot act, is skull and bones tried and true.

yes, the democratic party is fucked.

and i, along with countless others, will be staying home in november.

[bicentennial_baby]

13. Buck up champ!

It's nowhere near over yet...

[Leilani]

18. Don't give up

It's far from over...

[lancdem]

21. I'm pretty sure Kerry voted against Bush's tax cuts

BTW, don't give up yet. It's wayyyy too early to throw in the towel.

[newsguyatl]

32. i haven't thrown in the towel

but i'm OUTRAGED (quite beyond words) by the character assassination dean has endured, and i'd be lying if i said no lasting damage has been caused to his candidacy...


it's brought back the kind of raw anger i had when bush took our nation to war last year. it's brought back my promise to myself "back then" that i will NEVER, EVER, vote for a war enabler.


if the democratic party nominates a war enabler to its helm, the democratic party will be dead in my eyes... and heart.

[TreasonousBastard]

35. I'm Shocked!

A politician has had his character questioned!

Surely this has never happened before.

If Clinton and Nixon, to say nothing of Shrub, could have their characters mauled and come back up fighting, what's Dean's problem?

In the 20th Century we had Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton.

Just which of these Democrats did not have a war?

(trick question regarding Carter)

[Mass_Liberal]

25. don't dispair, man

Dean can still win in NH. Nah, screw that. Dean WILL win in NH. There's no way for it to happen if you don't believe. The polls are tightening, and if you give up, you will be giving the finger to thousands of Dean supporters working their asses off in the frigid cold.


We CAN DO IT!!!!
Dean 04!! Go Howard!

[Kira]

33. Please show me some polls

that are tightening. I just saw someone post the Newsweek poll that had Dean in third I think with 13 or 12 % Please cheer me up!

[WI_DEM]

11. I'm tired of having elections decided by pundits and the corporate

media. The people will vote on Tuesday. Let the people decide.

[Southsideirish]

12. We need new pundits - I'm sick of this tired, old bunch.

Do we have to have the same old boring talking heads year after year? Aren't there any other new people out there that can go out and distort the news and be sarcastic?

[bearfartinthewoods]

34. amen to that crew

[not systems]

14. If Dean and Clark can hang in and gather delegates...

and another doesn't get the majority horse trading
could produce the high unlikely Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean
ticket.

Either of them maybe able to trade for VP also.

[reprehensor]

15. What they have in common...

An intense dislike for giant media conglomeration. So did Kerry initially, but I'm not sure where he stands now...

Thus, they are 'unelectable'.

[lancdem]

16. Remember

These same pundits declared Dean a shoo-in and Kerry's campaign dead weeks ago. They change their minds every 5 minutes. Dean and Clark don't have to win N.H. to be viable, because they have a good chance to do well on Feb. 3.

[spooky3]

17. Dean and Clark supporters should be very pleased about this!

The only thing good about that show is Nina Totenberg. Krauthammer makes me nauseous.

[MontecitoDem]

19. Looking forward to both Dean and Clark

proving these nitwits wrong. Maybe only we political junkie's even watch these shows, and they sure won't affect my vote.

[Jerseycoa]

20. "Clark has a really good stump speech & holds outstanding rallies"

Somebody actually got these words in? Things are looking up! :D

[Lefta Dissenter]

22. Wait a minute...

I thought that Dean was the nominee, and we shouldn't even bother voting in the primaries! Damn! I just can't keep up!

Come Hell or High Water, I'm going to stomp out to the polls and vote on February 17, regardless of what the media whores tell me to do. :bounce:

[not systems]

24. That was last week...

this week he will be lucky to get 2 or 3 vote nationally.

Go Dean!!!

and

Go Clark!!!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

23. I would change the header - it doesn't mean what you're trying to say...

It also gives a negative spin to your candidate....

[Leilani]

29. I wanted to show

that media pundits are idiots, don't know what they are talking about, however they run as a pack, make grand pronouncements, & each spouts the same conventional wisdom.

It is meant to be irony.

[Bonobo]

26. Build 'em up and knock 'em down...same old Media Whore fun!

Can't they come up with some new themes?

[frustrated_lefty]

27. I just wrote and asked

why that traitor Novak is still on the air. Until he accounts for the Plame affair, his voice is less than the sound of the wind.

[Ilsa]

30. I can only hope the people of NH saw CG tonight,

and are telling themselves, oh, #@!$ Novak and the rest of them. We're the voters and we'll speak for ourselves. They thought they knew how Iowa was going down also.

[Ilsa]

31. My email to CNN:

"Would someone please explain to Novak that Clark isn't required to repudiate rumors about the president who gave Novak the brown nose? He's supposed to be a journalist; let Novak go investigate the truth about this AWOL President. Of course, we'll probably lose another CIA operative in the process."

[ampster]

40. Don't fret!

Hey, basketball is life and life is basketball.....
Given that as a backdrop, back in the early 80's the Lakers blew into the championship series to face the Celtics. Midway through game three, Kevin McHale gave a hard foul to James Worthy. It sent a signal: the Celtics were playing hard ball! The Lakers continued to try and finesse and "show-time" their way to victory, but at each and every turn they were being roughed up and manhandled. The Celtics won the series.

The very next year the same two teams faced off again! The Celtics routed the Lakers in game 1. Near the end of the 4th quarter Magic Johnson stole the ball and slammed it angrily into the basket. The Celtic fans gave him a sarcastic round of applause. Magic went to the bench for the last few seconds of the game. The cameras were on him as he sat there and you could almost read his mind: He was pissed. The very next game the Lakers roughed up the Celtics, matching them blow for blow. The Lakers won the series 4 to 2.

It was not the old stalwarts of the Lakers that helped them change their attitudes, it was the outsiders, Larry Spriggs and Kurt Rambis, that came in and stiffened the backs of the finesse player, Magic, Worthy, Cooper and the "Big Guy".

Likewise, the Republicans play hard ball (impeachment, recall elections, redistricting, voter intimidation, lying to go to war, etc...). Guys like Clark and Dean bring a toughness that is needed in for democrats. Whether they get the nomination or not, the party needs that kind of fire.

Can you imagine the headache for republicans if Dean has 10 months to go throughout the country speaking boldly about the prez' incompetence.

Can you imagine the boost congressional candidates will get in the south if Clark campaigns with them. There are enough undecideds in these southern suburbs that will trust and respect Clark enough to give Dem. candidates a hard look.

Kerry and Edwards are finesse players. Dean and Clark can push them to be more aggressive. Once they are no longer a part of this campaign, the fire will be extinguished to a certain degree.

I like Kerry and Edwards, they both dwarf the prez in stature and in decency. But it will take a lot of intestinal fortitude to beat these guys, and if the two Senators didn't stand up to these bullets in the Senate, how will they fare with the bombardment of negativity that is awaiting our candidate.

[progressivebydesign]

36. With friends like these...

Want to see how the "angry" thing is being played against Dean by the Democrats??? Check this out from an AP story regarding the candidates "sparring over Iraq". It warms my democratic heart to see another candidate perpetuating the Dean anger myth. As I recall, he hasn't been seen screaming for his boots, ever. This is just disheartening. Guess her attitude is NBK.

<<In rebuttal, a spokeswoman for Kerry predicted the remarks would backfire. "When is Howard Dean going to realize that voters are tired of these same old angry attacks," said Stephanie Cutter. "Voters are looking for a steady hand, not a clenched fist.">>

[mlawson]

37. Clark says 'mean things'???

He must be exposing the RW for its extremism. The supposedly liberal pundits back in 1980 did the same thing to Carter, when he tried to expose Ronnie's extreme RW connections and ideas. Of course, the voters went for it. Imagine that.

[TreasonousBastard]

38. I'm shocked! Shocked!

A politician has had his character questioned!

Surely this has never happened before.

If Clinton and Nixon, to say nothing of Shrub, could have their characters mauled and come back up fighting, what's Dean's problem?

In the 20th Century we had Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton.

Just which of these Democrats did not have a war?

(trick question regarding Carter)

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. Tune in Tuesday

you assholes! WATCH AND LEARN! See the POWER OF THE PEOPLE! AND you can kiss my behind!

[bain_sidhe]

41. Oh, bummer. I really liked those two.

But I guess it's all over now because the punditocracy has spoken.

:eyes:

Or perhaps I should say, "What, again?

[mikehiggins]

42. Iowa! Iowa! Iowa! Iowa! Iowa!

If these pundits were not shameless whores they would have hung their heads in shame after the Iowa caucuses and gone home to Mommy.

Polls, pundits and voters.

Which one determines the winner?

Survey says....