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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:36 PM
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For 1st time since 9/11, more Americans trust Dems w/ nation's problems
"On balance, Americans now slightly favor the Democrats over the Republicans, by 46 percent-41 percent, in trust to deal with the country's problems, the first Democratic advantage in this question, however slight, in ABC/Post polls since 9/11. Nonetheless, the Democrats seem to have capitalized only marginally at best on the current discontent."

This, I believe, is big - but we need to capitalize on it by talking about how tax cuts have helped unbalance the fairness of America, how we need to get our jobs back, how rolling back the tax cuts to Clinton's level will save social security AND help provide health insurance for all Americans. We need to talk about what is important to people, as Harry Reid has done recently.

Link: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=826934&page=1
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:37 PM
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1. I agree. Recommended. n/t
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:04 PM
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13. that's why working NOW at grassroots for 06 is so important
Join the democracy cell project and help save our democracy for our kids.

http://www.democracycellproject.net

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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:39 PM
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2. Need to talk what's important to people.
That doesn't mean giving up the red meat of the DSM and such at all. Honesty, peace, heads out of asses policies are always good, no matter what the polls say at the moment about Bush.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:53 PM
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3. People insist on learning the hard way.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:57 AM
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28. Again, and again, and again, and again...
and again, and again...

:eyes:

The Puke should never win another election.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:53 PM
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4. That was true last November, which is why they voted for Kerry.
But Diebold handed the election to *.

I am amazed that anyone could actually believe that the country turned against bush so harshly in so short a time period. It's obvious that isn't what happened. What happened is the country turned against him last year, voted him out of office in Nov and got screwed by the RW election-fixing squad.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:10 PM
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34. I agree & I wonder
If the repubs win again in '06 & '08 do you think it will set of any alarms then that the election has been stolen?
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:54 PM
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5. IMHO, 46% to 41% is more than "slight" or "marginal".
AND, this is just the beginning. :)
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:57 PM
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6. Isn't it odd how a 51%-49% win is seen as a "mandate..."
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 07:58 PM by RandomKoolzip
Or a "crushing electoral victory," while a jump from 41% to 46% is considered "marginal" or "slight?"

Damn liberal media.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:04 PM
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7. Yeah, that damn liburl media
is always crunching the numbers to make the Democrats look good!

Jeebus!
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neurochaos Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:11 PM
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8. Great Point...
this is good news. and its true, some people need to learn the hard way. many are beginning to wake up. :bounce:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:12 PM
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10. It is funny
Too hilarious.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:37 PM
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11. Excellent point that I missed - I will be sure to steal it
if it is okay with you :)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:11 PM
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9. I think it's big too
It shows that the democrats have the support and the republicans don't. So what are they doing compromising? Why can't they fight back? Someone should show this to Dean, Reid and Pelosi.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:43 PM
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12. Except for the usual suspects,..
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 08:43 PM by NightOwwl
they don't seem to be doing anything to build on this support. The passivity of our "Dem leadership" is killing me! :banghead:
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PerpetuallyDazed Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:55 PM
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14. What about this?
http://www.911inplanesite.com/

I wonder what they'd think after seeing "911 in Plane Site". Has anyone watched this expose?? I wish it were talked about more! Seriously disturbing.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:20 PM
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15. Nobody is going to believe
a plane didn't hit the Pentagon.

And for once, I have to say, with good reason because the "theory" (along with the the one that 'missile' was on Flight 77 ) is ridiculous.

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PerpetuallyDazed Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:29 PM
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16. Why is it ridiculous??
Please, show me the evidence that disputes this "theory".
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Spectral Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:17 AM
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20. The burden of proof is on your side PD
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 02:21 AM by Spectral
One member of my own family saw the plane hit the Pentagon from Shirley Highway on her way to work. Friends of my family lost friends and coworkers on the plane.

9/11 may have been a conspiracy, but real planes hit real buildings and people died.
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Teena Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 12:54 PM
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30. Check this out!
At www.tomflocco.com, there is a report that two civilian defense contractor employees say other workers retro-fitted missile and remote control systems aboard A-3 Sky Warrior jets. This would account for your family member seeing what she thought was a typical 757 passenger jet, but smaller. The size would have been hard to determine at the speed it was traveling.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:09 PM
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32. Extraordinary Claims Need Extraordinary Evidence
It is not up to us, but up to the claimants that their bizarre scenario is real. I read a book that started off with legitimate complaints about the 911 investigation and then just veered into these bizarre and impossible claims about what really happened. It just makes it harder to demand a investigation into the real concerns.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:50 PM
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31. There is evidence pulled from the video caught that day that
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 01:51 PM by sce56
the towers were brought down by explosives not burning jet fuel which does not burn hot enough to melt steel. Molten pools of steel were found in the bottom of the building which confirms the tower was brought down by high powered explosives not kerosen!
See the folowing site and look at the explosives shooting out ten floors below the colapsing section. http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/index.php?module=a...

The conspiracy theory is that 19 arabs defeated the strongest military in history with boxcutters!

Download the DVD Loose Change at http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/index.php?module=p...

they will show you what the MSM did not care to after all how would the Parent company for NBC not make tons of money in war production if they told the truth about the false flag op that created the war on terror! GE we bring Great Body Counts to Life

http://www.tomflocco.com /
read lots of stuff here!!


Where is W Waldo err the Plane
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:12 AM
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19. Perpetually Dazed
That's a really good name.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 12:35 AM
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17. kick
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:01 AM
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18. I'll be interested in the next polls on party identification
That should tell if a move in our direction is legit. The 37-37 party ID last November was what buried us. We desperately need to reestablish 2-4 point edge minimum.
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T-Jeff_Dem Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:50 AM
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21. You need to look @ the actual poll #s before cheering folks. . . .
I've been doing public opinion polling for more than 20 years and these polls are best viewed as fodder for the lazy media that would rather publish a poll (easy) than do good journalism (hard). Not that *all* the items suck, and trend data can be interesting, but really, REAL journalism is more valuable than the opinion of the generally poorly informed folks that respond to news polls. People will answer questions when asked, whether they know anything about the issue being queried or not. -sorry, :rant:

At any rate, just to put this stuff in perspective, let's take a look at what the news story didn't highlight for a moment:


-----------------------------------
5a. Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Republicans in Congress are doing their job?

Approve Disapprove No opinion
6/5/05 42 56 2
6/6/99 41 52 7

5b. Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Democrats in Congress are doing their job?

Approve Disapprove No opinion
6/5/05 42 56 3
6/6/99 51 42 7

-----------------------------------
Above as reported in poll document "ABC NEWS/WASHINGTON POST POLL: INTO THE SECOND TERM – 6/5/05, Concerns on Iraq and Domestic Policy
Underlie a Rising Political Alienation" http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/983a1Term_II_050607.pdf
-----------------------------------

Still think we're doing a good job moving the public opinion? Does the public know about Conyer's work on the DSM? What about the judicial wars in the Senate? They don't seem to differentiate between the good guys and the bad guys when you look at these items.

So much work to do to bring the sheeple (I love that word) up to speed on who's really on their side fighting the good fight, eh?
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Ysolde Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:54 AM
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27. Welcome Aboard!
And, good numbers (well, not good for us, really, but good info).

Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I'm not convinced that enough people will get off their lazy, reality tv watching butts to vote these ba*%ards out until there is enough pain and hunger. Because of the voting problems, it will take a huge landslide to overcome the rigged elections. And, we won't get that landslide until the sheeple (I love that word, too) are hungry enough.

We have growing inequality in this nation. We have lost large amounts of our civil rights. We are losing what scientific advantage we had. Our public education system is rapidly being privatized. We're waging two wars. We have a Dept. of Homeland Security that is an oxymoron and is only about protecting corporations, not people. The list is huge and growing and the numbers you list don't show the Dems capitalizing on any of it.

That's why I'm cynical. I am trying to work at the grassroots level to fix things, but the ridiculous power struggles for ever increasing small bits of "power" are wearing me out.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 07:18 AM
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38. Problem
Maybe the problem is that not enough Democrats are standing up and giving an alturnative.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 08:01 AM
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40. My point is, when they have to make a choice
more people choose Democrats. I do not think they have done a good job getting their message out, but I think they will as we get closer to '06.
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:18 AM
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22. dominoes anyone
I hope this is the (cliche alert) tipping point.
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Don_1967 Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:25 AM
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23. IRAQ !!
WE could get the hell out of Iraq & use the 400 BILLION dollars a year here.Bring our soldiers home save thousands of lives.I hope that's not too selfish.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:47 AM
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24. Other Issues
I agree with the Original poster. In addition, the what the OP said we must inform people of how the deficit is hurting the country. Also, Democrats must come up with ways to fix the security problems. Finally, Democrats must come up with an alternative to the ideas of the Republicans and be willing to present that alternative.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:49 AM
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25. Time for our shrinking violets
to start showing some leadership and communicating with the public about what they plan to do to save our country.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:50 AM
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26. We need for them to feel that way in the fall every year.
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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:56 AM
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29. Awesome. Now we have to keep it going.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:59 PM
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33. How about leadership?
What use is winning the bureaucrat and humanitarian of the year award if you can't get elected, can't speak out, get purged, get pushed into the swarm of the helpless oppressed.

One spends a lot of time attacking the leadership of the GOP without looking like we have something better. The Catch-22 of being out of power is not a sufficient excuse for this "image" problem.

They have been working diligently to craft this image since Reagan hoping people will come to their senses and- Voila!- there are the trustworthy Dems to run the government for you.

The trouble is as the consciousness grows so does(with GOP spiteful assistance at every turn) the dismay at not having these trustworthy populists in any shape or form as strong, outspoken political leaders, or at least not up to the true crisis or demands of the contest.
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:11 PM
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35. It 's like turning a Supertanker
We must push HARDER, be more INSISTENT! Momentum is what we have going for us. Not alot, but it's something. The "Sheeple" are going to need ALOT more convincing before they start seriously questioning this administration. :banghead:
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Hardknock Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 03:13 AM
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36. WE NEED TO JUMP ALL OVER THIS!
Bring more people to our side! Show them the truth about the lies and the deceit of the Bush administration and how they're no good for America.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:15 AM
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37. Finally.
Why did it take so long for these people to figure out how badly they're being screwed? There are lots of things more important than gay marriage to be concerned about - health insurance, pensions, illegal wars, just to name a few. I'm glad they're coming around. Better late than never.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 07:42 AM
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39. Discontent Has Always Been There, now breaking thru media
barrier. After helping Bush win in 2004, the media is starting to see that Bush* has gone too far, and will go farther, and is building a case for change at the midterm elections so the Democrats need to win back one house of congress
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 08:02 AM
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41. Absolutely Correct!
It is time to bring a populist message and show how the rethugs are fucking things up royally. The Dems, and by that I mean Progressive Dems, not the tired old corporate suckling variety, need to get the message out there and usher in a new golden era for America. Renewable energy for our security, and for a improved environment, and a repeal of those rich people tilted tax cuts. Many more issues to hit, but we should certainly focus on this too!
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CitrusLib Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 08:12 AM
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42. Took them long enough. It still galls me
the majority of Americans couldn't see beyond the crisp new flags hanging outside their homes on 9/12 when Bush et al started pushing for the Patriot Act and cramming the need for war in Iraq down our throats. It's taken them this long to change their opinion of Bush? Freaking MORONS!!!!!

:banghead:
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