The Madness should stop. 08 wars and intra-party splits a media construct

[Pepperbelly]

It has no real basis in reality.

I read what the different pols said about Dean's remarks. Dean's remarks were no big deal, their criticism was no big deal. The entire thing is being fanned by both the hard left and the hard right with the media providing a reach-around for all.

Titian's painting, "The Flaying of Marsyas" contains a very fitting metaphor for this invented firestorm. As Thomas Harris once noted, look at Pan in the painting as helpful Pan brings a bucket of water to assist in the flaying.



That is EXACTLY what is going on. I am including in this the constant warfare over 08 nominees, the crap about Dean, the crap about the pols who criticized him, the whole kit-and-caboodle is a construct designed to split our party before the real fight begins anew.

Please don't fall for it. It is crap and always remember when you are tempted to indulge, helpful Pan bringing that bucket.

Peace out.

[Old and In the Way]

1. I'm loving it.

Let the Republican corporate media feign outrage. Dean was talking about the 2% of the trustfunders who've never broken a sweat to earn a buck. Like George Bush.

Keep lobbing those grenades Doc!

[LittleClarkie]

2. Nominated

The divisiveness is media-made.

[Rowdyboy]

3. There you go again, talking all that logical stuff, making sense!

Don't you CARE about the nuances of what Edwards said about what Dean may or may not have said about Republicans (or maybe it was there leaders). Don't you understand how necessary it is to push our nomineee preferences 3 1/2 years early? Can't you just go with the flow and tear someones throat out for differing with you on abortion or gay mariage?

What's wrong with you talking sense? Don't you know where you are?

[Sparkly]

4. "DSM? Uh... That must mean, Dean Spouts Madness!!!"

"Nothing to see here!! But look over THERE!! He's just out of CONTROL!!"

I agree with you. It's a ridiculous distraction.

[OneBlueSky]

5. well, the unpleasant truth is that 2008 is likely to be a war . . .

between the people and the politicians . . . a lot of voters aren't going to tolerate a mealy-mouthed, war-supporting, corporate toady as our presidential candidate . . . they're going to want someone independent, someone who will stand up and tell the truth about BushCo, the PNAC, and the corruption in Washington . . . in other words, an outsider . . . and the politicians aren't going to stand for that . . . should be interesting . . .

[Pepperbelly]

6. But that is so far away.

We have much on our plate right now without getting into something that is several THINGS down the road.

[blm]

7. Exactly what I've been saying. The media has exaggerated every bit of this

in a way to disrupt Dem unity while the GOP's unity was suffering over their religious v science and corporation v labor image steeped in their lopsided power.

They take Dean's remarks out of context, present them to other Dems who didn't hear the context and demand answers on the spot.

What Dems DO need to change is their ACCEPTANCE of the characterizations by the media of remarks by any other Dem.

CHALLENGE THE MEDIA on their lack of accuracy and their rightwing, corporate bias before you accept a damn thing they have to say.

[Pepperbelly]

10. Absolutely right on...

We need to challenge these Nantucket fops at every opportunity. They stand to gain from their dishonesty, like little Chris Matthews $4.4 million Nantucket hideaway. That is why they do this shit and they will not stop until they are made to stop.

The only way to do that is to expose them as liars, conmen, and dissemblers at every occasion.

[blm]

11. I'm right with you there, buddy.

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[Q]

8. That there is a 'far left'...

...involved in this is also a construct of yours. If there is a far left in the Democratic party...they would have nothing to gain from attacking Dean.

Perhaps you should look towards the middle? Most of the Democrats criticizing Dean and insisting that he doesn't speak for them are 'New Democrats'.

[Pepperbelly]

9. You missed the point ...

I didn't say Democratic Party far left. I said the far left. The Counterpunch crowd, those that deceitfully cherry pidck statements, take things out of context, always conclude the worst-case. And yes, note that helpful Pan indeed brings the bucket of water.

[welshTerrier2]

12. let me see if i understand ...

the base post is dead on !!!

see if i've got this about right ...

bush and the neo-cons are threatening to terminate our democracy ...
we are at war with a country that never attacked us ...
thousand of Americans lie dead or badly wounded ...
perhaps more than 100,000 Iraqis, many of them children, have been killed by American foreign policy ...
American prestige in the world is at an all time low
the American middle class may soon be extinct
jobs are being shipped overseas never to return
many die or become much sicker because they can't afford medical care
costs are rising and wages are falling
our education system is seriously underfunded
our students are not competitive against other countries
our election system is totally corrupt
minor parties are squeezed out of the elections process
global warming threatens to make all life extinct
fishing has been curtailed in many areas due to depleted stocks
genetically modified foods are everywhere and have not been adequately tested
traffic and urban sprawl is lowering the quality of life
there are massive water shortages throughout the west
blacks are not well represented by the either party
republicans control the WH, the Senate and the House
civil liberties are under attack everywhere
media consolidation makes it almost impossible to find out the truth
big money poisons every aspect of our campaigns
we really have become "two Americas"
activist right-wing judges are being confirmed everyday
homicide rates have increased
communities have been replaced with "every man for himself"
"free markets" have replaced well-regulated industries
our tax system caters to the wealthy and is not fair
"class action" laws have been weakened
product safety laws and product liability laws have been gutted
we are failing to help improve the suffering in Africa
we are interfering with the governments of sovereign nations
we are about to attack Syria and Iran (and Venezuela?)
we have failed to cooperate with the nuclear non-proliferation process
we have failed to honor our treaty obligations to disarm our nukes
we are spending way too much of our limited national treasure on defense
we have a $4.3 trillion deficit
college education is becoming too expensive for many people
our military is unable to meet its recruiting goals and a draft is possible
the separation of church and state is being eroded
we are more and more divided by race, age, sex, income, nationality
we are allowing commercial foresting in our national parks
we are drilling in the Alaskan Wildlife Refuge
we refuse to allow drug importation to help with costs
we refuse to allow the government to buy drugs at bulk rates
veterans are not receiving the healthcare they require
gays are discriminated against
we are a nation in decline

OK ... that's enough for now ... now what was the bullshit y'all are wasting my time with today????????????????????? honestly, DU is becoming just like "People Magazine" ... stop it already !!! this is not about heroes and personalities ... it's about having a vision for the country ... if all you have to offer is "my guy is better than your guy", i really wish you would just shut the hell up ... thank you ... by all means, please hurry back to your "he said, she said" analysis of the important events of the day ...

[Lexingtonian]

13. perhaps that's what is going on

I prefer to think that the Party is in an internal dispute about which wing should dominate. How ever badly the media misportrays it, and how ever much Republicans might try to exploit the sillyness, it all does its work of shaking up and ultimately improving the picture.