Dean/Clark Clark/Dean Unity Thread

[Zynx]

This is probably the third one of these I have made and we need it now more than ever. Both of our guys are under attack by the big corporate media for some reason I am not sure of. Everything they say is being blown way out of proportion even though the other candidates have made just as many gaffes. Our men our in trouble because they are bold and were against this horrible war that is becoming worse and worse by the day. Our two men have the most in common between any two candidates both in ideas and their treatment by the corporate media that want to see them destroyed. Because of that, we must unite.

[Loren645]

Hands across campaigns.

Yeah.

[bicentennial_baby]

1. I'm down with that

Did you see this thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=180875&mesg_id=180875

[Zynx]

2. Actually I didn't.

[bicentennial_baby]

3. Seems like

a lot of people are willing to bury the hatchet for the sake of unity, I just hope it will last

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

79. Hit one over the train!

[drfemoe]

88. Or this one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=181569

Seems there isn't love all around after all. Best of luck.

[bicentennial_baby]

89. That thread was lame

and I certainly don't agree with it, for the record.

[blm]

4. ¥et you didn't stand up when media declared Kerry's candidacy dead

for months and dried up his fundraising. It was of no concern.

Interesting.

[cavebat2000]

7. right.

[Zynx]

8. I don't like John Kerry personally. I LOVE Dean and Clark.

Sorry, but I can't forgive Kerry for the IWR vote and his shifting opinions on what he really meant when he cast that vote.

[XanaDUer]

40. Shifting opinions?

Why was Dean the first person to support unilateral invasion of Iraq one week before the Iraq resolution was signed?

"DEAN: Sure, I think the Democrats have pushed him into that position and the Congress, and I think that's a good thing. And I think he is trying to do that. We still get these bellicose statements.

Look, it's very simple. Here's what we ought to have done. We should have gone to the U.N. Security Council. We should have asked for a resolution to allow the inspectors back in with no pre-conditions. And then we should have given them a deadline saying "If you don't do this, say, within 60 days, we will reserve our right as Americans to defend ourselves and we will go into Iraq."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/30/ftn/printable523726.shtml

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And, for true "shiftiness" five months later:


"As I've said about eight times today," he says, annoyed -- that Saddam must be disarmed, but with a multilateral force under the auspices of the United Nations. If the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice."

http://www.howardsmusings.com/2003/02/20/salon_on_the_campaign_trail_with_the_unbush.html

One might say the George W. Bush engaged in the Dean Doctrine.

Flip, flop, flip, flop :eyes:

[cavebat2000]

5. HELLS YES!

I agree, what can we all do to ensure a Dean/Clark, Clark/Dean ticket?? I can't stand this media sh**. What can we do??

[Clark4Prez]

6. Sign me up

I support unity and have found Dean's message of late appealing. He took "the scream" and used it to his advantage. That impressed me. He also impressed me tonight at the NH Dem fundraiser.

Dean or Clark in 2004!

[Toucano]

9. I'm onboard! n/t

[Southsideirish]

10. Magnificent idea, I doff my cap. Now what do we do?

Anyone have any ideas to thwart the media from dissecting our candidates? Have we all seen the real version of the Dean rally - it will relieve all Dean supporters. Its at www.idiomstudo.com.

[Zynx]

12. We should flood the media outlets who trash our candidates with e-mails.

Also, we should stand up to Kerry's dirty attacks on our guys.

[PassingFair]

78. Saw it--

made me so mad I could hardly speak, and that's saying something for ME. I forwarded it to the campaign. Editing out the crowd's cheers and stomping was downright criminal. I'm begging anyone out there with media ties to get this out to the public. Please!

[Padraig18]

11. I've never had a problem with Gen. Clark.

I've said all along that I will support him, if he's nominated, and those who have been here for more than a month will verify that I have repeatedly defended him against all manner of crap attacks from every quearter.

[11cents]

14. I'll vouch for that

Among partisans for any of the candidates, you've stood out for your scrupulousness.

[Clark4Prez]

23. I thank you for that

Thanks for standing up to crap attacks, I have tried to do the same for Dean, but I will do more. I just made my first donation to Dean for America!

[Padraig18]

30. Excellent!

I sent a donation to the Clark campaign earlier this month. Do I sense karma here? :)

[Melodybe]

24. I like this, they hate Dean and Clark at the makes them ok by me.

It makes me trust them. Now while I am not naive enough to think that Dean and Clark have never done anything shady, I still think that they probably both been the least touched by the corperations. This makes them dangerous, they have the cleanest history therefore they can say whatever they want.

With my regards to both Braun and Kucinich whom I also believe are clean.

I trust Edwards more than Kerry, I trust the son of a mill worker to help poor people if he can.

[David Zephyr]

13. Hey, I Thought I Was Leading This Choir!

Zynx, I'm right here with you.

But, who'd have ever figured that, huh?

:toast:

[Zynx]

15. I've been making threads like this for a long time.

The first one I made must have been in December or November.

[Toucano]

16. OMG!

Is the unity crumbling already? LOL!

"I was first!"

"No, I was!"

"I was calling for unity when you were in huggies!"

I'm just teasing, of course.

[Zynx]

18. That last quote is what I was saying.

Just kidding. Many of us have wanted unity for some time.

[David Zephyr]

19. We're Together Then. Let's Make Our Union...Civil.

:toast:

[Tatiana]

36. Does this mean you're in favor of civil unions?

;)

[Zynx]

37. Good one.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. I'm game.

Peace! :hippie:

[KC21304]

48. This is a hoot. In the thread cited above,

you questioned the Kerry supporter mentioning on hardball Axciom and Stephens, etc. Do you remember who on this board have been demonizing Clark for his Axciom and Stephens connections very harshly ? It could not have been certain Dean supporters, could it ?

Just thought maybe you would want to review a few things, but maybe not.

[ronnykmarshall]

20. We are the wooooooorrrlllld

We are the children ........


HA! Betcha that damn songs stuck in your heads now!!!



Buuuuuuuwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

[funky_bug]

21. Y'all know I'm in - check out my sig!

I am SO there! I may not have been impressed pre-IA, but his handling of the scream, and his speech tonight in NH... more and more and more... I am lovin' that man.

[Zynx]

25. That pic is great.

However, it looks like he is checking his breath while Clark is speaking of some sort of vision.

[frustrated_lefty]

22. I disagree our candidates have the most in common

BUT, yes, it is time to circle the wagons and let our guys talk about the ISSUES. Let them talk, and let the man America wants win. It's time to take the media out of the picture. Let us talk about issues and think about the world we want.

[Mass_Liberal]

26. *shakes hands of clark supporters*

GO DEAN!

GO CLARK!


both of our candidates are outsiders who I believe can reform this system and make America economically stable, and less hawkish. Together, our two candidates can promote liberalism so that it isn't a bad word anymore.

[newsguyatl]

27. ...

i think these two would gaurantee a win in nov.

but my bet is, we don't get it.


instead we'll get a pro-war, pro-patriot act, pro-no child left behind ticket.

[Zynx]

29. I know. The media are bringing our guys down.

I don't know why either.

[CabalBuster]

28. This unity could be the media's & the Dem establishment's worse nightmare

I agree with your assessment.

[David Zephyr]

31. Dean & Clark................Clark & Dean

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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-03-03 03:38 PM
Original message
The Doctor and The General: Why Dean/Clark Ticket Sizzles.

The Doctor and the General:

Dr. Howard Dean - Not only a physician, but a popular governor with the bonafides of executive experience in running a state government dealing daily with the state's budgeting, taxes, roads and infrastructure, working people, seniors, children, disabled, housing, health, education, welfare, relations with neighbors and the federal government, environment, and quality of life. From New England.

General Wesley Clark: Rhodes scholar, top of his class at West Point, General in the U.S. Armed Forces, Supreme Commander of NATO. From the South.

There it is folks! Bush and Cheney cannot hold a candle to these two gentlemen, their education, their careers and/or their life experiences.

With the Physician/Governor and the U.S. General/Nato Commander Americans will have all aspects of domestic and international concerns addressed as perhaps never before in American history.

The Doctor and the General will be giants in comparison to the current crooks that oversee the Executive Branch.

The Doctor and the General.

Could it be a 50 state landslide?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=271808

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How Big Will the Dean/Clark Landslide Be? How Many States Will They Take?

Thu Nov-06-03 04:32 PM by David Zephyr

With the growing trend of union after union now lining up to support Governor Dean who also now is either tied for first place or in first place in all polling in the first three contests next year, who also is now raising more money than all the other eight candidates combined, who has an unprecedented 500,000 signed-up network of volunteers in all 50 states and nearly 1,000 cities, it is time for not only his supporters, but all the fine people who are committed to other candidates to begin contemplate the Dean candidacy against George W. Bush next Fall. And, at the same time, to consider a Dean / Clark ticket that I believe will present to the American people a fresh, bold and credible new face to the Democratic Party. This is your dream ticket, folks.

I can't help but believe that Dean and Clark will sweep all but the most conservative states in a landslide of popular votes next November. The Doctor and the General will articulate domestic and foreign affairs in terms that the American people will understand and appreciate. They will stand up and punch for us. They will not let Bush and his criminal cohorts off the hook on anything. This is the team that Karl Rove truly fears the most.

I dare say that this dynamic and complimenting team will gobble up all the battleground states in the rust belt, win in all key Midwestern states, obviously sweep New England, the Mid-Atlantic and the West Coast, and more importantly take Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri, West Virginia and Florida. And if the momentum is great enough, Dean and Clark will also take Tennessee, Kentucky and just possibly South Carolina.

Do we want to win? This is the team to make it happen.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=664831

[Tatiana]

49. Damn, I remember those postings.

Never truly comprehended the power of the Dean/Clark, Clark/Dean ticket. Now, however, you seem to have been almost prophetic.

There definitely needs to be some reconciliation of rhetoric and policies, but I do believe there is some extraordinary power in a ticket with Dean and Clark on it.

[KC21304]

32. I think all this unity stuff is great, but I think you may want to check

with Gen.Clark first. It doesn't seem to me that Dean is his fav.

Kerry/Clark/04

[Zynx]

35. I don't see him and Kerry having off to the side conversations.

Do you?

[KC21304]

58. I think that will happen before a Dean/Clark cozy chat.

[AntiCoup2K4]

33. I wonder if the General would reconsider his reluctance for the VP slot

Because the Dean/Clark ticket would not only bury Bush, but it would be a big FUCK YOU to the mediawhores as well :evilgrin:

[frustrated_lefty]

41. As a Dean supporter

I'm wondering if Dean would take the VP to Clark's P. I may be off here, but the polls seem to be indicating Americans want "passion" in their leaders, but they're afraid of "too much passion" in the president. I want Dean as president, but am starting to think a Clark/Dean ticket may be the winning one.

I'm not supporting Clark, I'm 100% behind Dean. These are just the way thoughts are shaping in my mind, thinking about the general election.

[Namvet04]

60. Dean is coming back and clark is sinking

Amazing. Dean needs to stay with what he is doing. He should never have change things and it hurt him. Foolish trip to Carters church and bring his wife away from her sick patients.

Clark needs to make sure he can beat Joe for 4th place.

Clarks leads in some states will sink just like NH when they see the top three seaon dem leaders (Dean, edwards, Kerry)and say no rookies for us.

[Quixote1818]

63. Most polls show Dean sinking not Clark, Take a look

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/polls/articles/2004/01/24/presidential_polls_in_new_hampshire/

[Namvet04]

72. Take a look where clark was at before the first team came

back. He is dropping and fast. He could not even get out voters to a rally this morning, full of out of state people. Reporter tried to find some.

He could make a good sect of def. Prove to us that he is a lib dem.

It is so easy to say it.

What amazes me on here with some is they attack anyone close to bush, met bush but for some reason they do not care about clark prasing him, his team and the war. Makes no sense.

I just do not trust him and he has a record of being on both sides of issues. Whatever helps him is what he is for.

We have three long term dems, let us stick with team members.

[bain_sidhe]

47. I still want Clark first

just for his diplomatic/foreign policy skills. Bush has SO SCREWED our international standing, it'll take a master diplomat to bring it back just to even. The other advantage of Clark/Dean ticket is that the VP can be less, er... um... restrained in his criticism of the Chickenhawk in Chief.

[Auntie Bush]

34. When I see Dean...I think hickey

Just trying ot be funny. Don't reaaallly mean it. I'm sorry!

UUUUGGGG! Lieberman is on C-span now.

[Memekiller]

38. I never did understand the animosity...

I think we have two McCains in our race, and that's Dean and Clark. My wet dream has always been a Dean/Clark, Clark/Dean ticket -- it rallies the base, appeals to centrists, and scares the crap out of the establishment. Not to mention, it wouldn't be afraid to stand up to the GOP smear campaign.

And I'm sorry to say it, but I liked Dean more after seeing that rallying cry. Am I THAT outside of the mainstream?

[Padraig18]

45. I agree completely.

I think a LOT of the animosity was personal, i.e., from DU, and I also think that supporters of both candidates mistakenly assumed we were 'feeding at the same trough' in terms of competing for the same voters. I think Iowa and now NH have shown us clearly that WE are not each other's enemies--- the media and 'Washington insiders' are our MUTUAL enemies.

Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean remains my 'fantasy' ticket.

:hi:

[mitchum]

54. Wrong! You guys are still "feeding at the same trough"

and you guys are "competing for the same voters" Pretty disingenuous to think that there can be more than one final "outsider" candidate. Surely even the densest of you (and I DON'T mean you, Padraig18), realize that you will eventually have to turn on one another in order to capture that singular status for your candidate. This bitter "alliance" formed to stop Kerry is ludicrous and...sad.

Witch Doctors For Kerry

[Padraig18]

56. Of course we will EVENTUALLY have to 'have it out'.

That said, the alliance isn't ludicrous; 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' is appropos, frankly.

[mitchum]

61. Okay, as long as you realise no one can fall asleep in that lifeboat

not even for a second

[Memekiller]

57. Nothing wrong with running a tough campaign...

Nor is there anything wrong with doing it with civility and mutual respect.

We'll all toss civility out the window when we face Bush. There's nothing that guy won't do to win.

[mitchum]

64. Watch civility and respect go out the window when your camps...

start fighting each other for that prize

[Democrats unite]

39. I have noticed the past couple of days of Dean supporters...

& Clark Supporters comming together. I think it's great! between these to camps this will be a force to be reconed with!

[Zynx]

43. Our grassroots and our money are a force to be feared.

Fear us Washington politicians!

[Clark4Prez]

46. $27 Million in the Fourth Quarter

Dean and Clark have the strongest fundraising base. Together we kick Bush right back to Texas, hell I'll pay for the bus ticket.

[Memekiller]

51. And both were internet campaigns...

People tend to forget that.

Clark's problem is appealing to the base, and he hasn't quite energized the crowds or made as focused of a critique of Bush as Dean has. Dean lacks the foreign policy experience and war credentials, so he's in danger of being the anit-war guy who'll let the terrorists go free (as the GOP will try to paint him). Each make up for the other's weakness quite well (not to mention the Easterner/southerner bit).

[NoPasaran]

42. I'm on board

General Clark has been my second choice all along.

[Tom Rinaldo]

44. Thees two men

Of all of the candidates with a chance to win the nomination, most clearly spell the end of how business as usual functions in America. Dean would tear into it immediately. Clark might start a little slower as he gained his footing in the domestic political world, but HE WOULD NEVER STOP ACCELERATING during an eight year run. We would get our country back with either one of them.

[maddezmom]

50. still no sale for me

I'll vote for Dean if wins the nod, and that's the only way he'd get my vote.

[Upfront]

52. Seems Right

Kerry and Edwards are more of the same, Dean and Clark scare hell out of all Washington. I will back Dean until he says it is over or is in the White house. Should Dean fall, Clark is my only choice. I will gamble that he is what he says. The battle is to regain control of the party and then the country. The big money special interests controll both partys now, Dean said it first, and now Clark is saying it. If any one can't grasp this they need to think a little. I still have faith in the people to get it right in the end. It is way early to write anyone but Libberman off.

[Memekiller]

55. That's what a primary's all about...

...fighting with every ounce of your being for heart and soul of the party. And then once a nominee is chosen, you fight with every ounce of your being for the heart and soul of the country.

Every candidate adds something to the eventual nominee as well. Remember balancing the budget, one of the defining accomplishments of the Clinton Presidency, was something Clinton adopted in the primary in response to Tsongas. So in a weird way, Tsongas deserves the credit.

[progressivebydesign]

53. I'm in...

For whatever that's worth. The campaign acrimony on DU is getting me down.. I'm all for unity right now!! I'm ABB, but Dean is my first.. Clark is my second.. followed by those other guys in no particular order.

[democracy eh]

59. can you feel the love tonight?

Is this DU GD 2004?

nothing like fox news to bring people together

I am all for the one two punch!

[hellhathnofury]

62. You know 5 days ago I would haven't even looked in this thread.

But now it's quite apparent what's happening.

Clark has my blessing should he get the nomination. I'll donate and volunteer.

Still with Dean till he drops out or wins the presidency.

[Tatiana]

65. As it should be.

I think the sentiment behind threads like this is that it is obvious the Republicans (as well as corporate interests and perhaps some powerful people in our own party) do NOT want Dean or Clark to win the nomination. That suggests the two have more in common than we have been led to believe.

What is that? Both promise change, on the corporate level, change in the media, change in the tax structure, and change in our foreign policy. Drastic change. There are those who don't mind keeping things the way they are.

Divide and conquer is what they are trying to do. If both Dean and Clark are elimated, what choice will we truly have, then?

[Auntie Bush]

66. Clark/Dean or Dean/Clark YEAH baby

Isn't that what we have all been saying all along?
Actually we just got carried away trying to convince or show that our man should be first on the ticket. I'm for burying the hatchet...
in Bushes' head.

[mitchum]

67. CLARK SUPPORTERS DON'T BE SUCKERS (you're much smarter...

than that)
Dean is bleeding now and must make a strong showing in NH. Don't throw your support behind him. Clark is still viable (especially if a very weakened Dean limps out of NH)

A DEAN/CLARK TICKET IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN (and in your heart of hearts you know it)

[Tom Rinaldo]

71. No one is talking about withdrawing support from their candidate

Just being open to embrace the other man if that is the way the story goes. And in the meantime, showing more solidarity against smears and media attempts to marginalize our voices in this election.

[hope42mro]

73. Yeah, ...um... wait... NO. Don't call me a sucker!

I support Clark and I do see the similarity between how the media is attacking both Dean and Clark over silly stories. For example: They criticize Dean for his Iowa speech over and over and over and over because it's easy, and hey, we know they're lazy and don't report on real stories when they can ride a non-story for all it's worth. As for Clark, attacking him for something someone else said? Well that's pretty much a joke too. If Bush had to make excuses for and disassociate himself from all the bigots and racists who support him he'd never shut up.

So, yeah, don't call me a sucker! Dean isn't bleeding either, he's got a crap load of money and he isn't going nowhere. Besides it never hurts to build bridges with a close competitor. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." ......Not that Dean's our enemy, of course..........

[mitchum]

81. I DIDN"T call you a sucker:

Christ, I said that you were smart (and I believe that you are)
BEWARE OF VERMONTERS BEARING GIFTS. Especially ones whose minions (both paid and unpaid) have spent the past months calling you the supporters of:

a PNAC tool
a Republican in New Dem clothing
a professional killer
an officer fired in disgrace

Dean only wants to borrow your support for one day. Deny him this, support your candidate. Clark is viable.

[meow mix]

68. im on too - Clark or Dean i like better than the others

so i approve of this message =)

[KittyWampus]

69. I Am In. Thanks To KaraokeKarlton & Padraig

I have tried hard to go after Candidates positions on Issues etc. and not go after the dumb stuff. After seeing what happened in Iowa (I did NOT pile on Dean that night), the FOX debate and watching Kerry and Edwards tag teaming Clark... I think there is definately something amiss.

Why the HELL was the debate on FOX?

I would like to thank KaraokeKarlton & Padraig for always patiently rebuting my arguments. If Dean gets the nod, I will know how to defend him.

I just can't watch tv anymore.

[bicentennial_baby]

70. Turn it off!

I have not watched a single cable or network news show since the debate, and I intend to continue until Wednesday. It was bumming me out big time!

[JI7]

76. how were kerry and edwards tag teaming ?

?

[PassingFair]

83. Funny how they insist on calling these crap sessions

...debates! They've been more like republican Q & A.

[Walt Starr]

74. There's no better match between two candidates

They're populist candidates.

Anything to stop Kerry. A Kerry nomination would be a tragedy not only for the nation, but for the world.

[MODemocrat]

75. Count me in because I love both of them

Believe it or not, every time I see Dean or Clark on my television, I get so pumped up. My husband feels the same way, which really pleases me. I also like Edwards as my third choice.

:toast: to Dean and Clark :toast:

[LTR]

77. I'm ABB

When it all comes down to it, the one who has the best chance of unseating Bush has earned my vote in advance. I don't care if it's Lieberman or LaRouche. ABB is ABB.

But I'm still optimistic about Clark. I do like the field of candidates this year. Carville called them "prancing studs" and I agree. Dean has actually warmed up to me in the past few days as well.

ABB!!!

[Auntie Bush]

84. I've warmed up to Dean too

Ever since I media Gored him about his pep rally...and that is all it was. He was smiling and he wasn't angry.

[Kipepeo]

80. Dean and Clark

I am still a Dean girl but I have always been an admirer of Clark and have wanted to see them both on the ticket, be it Clark/Dean or Dean/Clark. I don't know why we have to have a unity thread b/c I don't know why we had the animosity to begin with. Dean and Clark have always been the populist outsiders to me. My 3rd choice would be Edwards, but that is only in an "if he wins the nomination" sort of way.

Kerry or Lieberman winning the nomination will force me to vote 3rd party.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

82. Check out Krugman's article: only Clark/Dean willing NOT to play it safe

and will "lay it on the line."

Do we want two people (Kerry and Edwards) who will only play it safe?"

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/7780356.htm
Krugman: "he real division in the race for the Democratic nomination is between those who are willing to question not just the policies but also the honesty and the motives of the people running our country, and those who aren't."

[bicentennial_baby]

85. Kick for the Sunday crowd

:kick:

[HuckleB]

86. I'm with you.

After this week, I am convinced that this is the combo most likely to bring the White House back to the party in November. Two, honest, honorable, curious, creative men, with unparalleled leadership skills.

Go Dean!

Go Clark!

[bicentennial_baby]

87. Kick for the late crowd

:kick:

[pnziii]

90. Dean is the right man

Dean will do the right thing for the USA. Kerry voted FOR the patriot Act, Wire-tapping, War, Limiting medical Privacy. The guy votes against us and wants us to think he is fighting for us.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

91. OK by me. Clark has been my #2 behind Dean for some time.

Even tho' many of the Clark supporters seem a bit overeager to slam Dean.