parents must inform on their drug taking kids or go to jail - a new bill

[donsu]

http://magic-city-news.com/article_3970.shtml


A Stalinist Law

HR 1528 is now pending in Congress. It has passed one committee and is apparently sailing through another one. This was a keystone law used by Stalinist Russia to control it's people and it appears to be sailing through our republican congress.

If this law is passed it will force you to inform on your family, friends, or neighbors if you have any knowedge of their involvement in any kind of drug activity that is connected in any way to persons under the age of majority.

If you see a joint being passed to a college student, you MUST immediately inform the police.

If your child has a substance abuse problem and begs someone else to acquire drugs, you cannot deal with this as a family matter, or in a drug treatment setting. You MUST inform on the both of them or risk a fine and jail time.

If your sister, who has kids, mentions that she bought some pot to share with her husband, you MUST inform on your sister or risk a fine and jail time.

If you do not inform you can be sentenced to prison for between 2 and 10 years.

Sec. 425. It shall be unlawful for any person who witnesses or learns of a violation of sections 416<2>, 417, 418, 419 420, 424, or 426 to fail to report the offense to law enforcement officials within 24 hours of witnessing or learning of the violation and thereafter provide full assistance in the investigation, apprehension, and prosecution of the erson violating paragraph .

A short version of SEC.2 <2> If you, a parent, discovers that your child manufactures, distributes, stores or uses any controlled substance andand you do not report it you shall be fined not more than 8,000,000 and imprisoned not less than ten years or more than life.

Is this the reason the American people follow the republicans and the democrat parties so blindly, so we can have a POLICE STATE IN AMERICA?

How many of you have read of HR 1528 in the government press? How many of you believe the government press will tell you this?
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insanity!

this makes me think of that mad man in Va. that put up a bill saying a woman who had a miscarriage had to inform the police within 24 hrs.

[getmeouttahere]

1. I forgot about that miscarriage thing....

but this is right up there with it in the idiot/fascism department!

I would NEVER rat on someone like that, especially for pot use. And I would claim political asylum if I was charged.

[Maraya1969]

46. Why is the motivation for forcing someone to report a miscarriage?

And BTW that is just SICK. If a woman has a miscarriage most of the time she goes through a grieving process. It is a horrible time for someone who really wanted the baby. And they expect this woman's first priority to inform the police? Fuck them and the fucking lame donkey they rode in on.:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[Spectral]

51. I think they relate it to abortion somehow?

THe PATRIOT ACt is coming !

[merh]

2. So why do the words of Sgt. Schultz come to mind!

I KNOW NOTHIN'

God, wouldn't it be easier to survive all of this if we all just got the lobotomies and became koolaide drinking freepers? :argh:

[kodi]

3. why stop at drugs? how about other crimes one witnesses?

child abuse, stock fraud, speeding, running a red light, littering,

[KansDem]

52. How about lying to start an illegal war?

I witnessed that recently. Do I have 24 hours to report it? What if I don't? How about we ALL who witnessed that crime call and report it!

[Spectral]

53. It's a way of making the middle class criminals

And in a constant state of fear.

America is gone when these kinds of laws can occur.

[SteppingRazor]

4. Thank God I'm out of the house.

Wouldn't want to implicate Ma and Pa Razor. :smoke:

[hang a left]

5. There is absolutely no msm coverage on this.

http://www.rapnews.net/News/2005/06/07/Hip-Hop.Threat/



Among other things, HR 1528:



--Virtually eliminates the ability of federal judges to give sentences below the minimum sentence recommended by federal sentencing guidelines, essentially creating a mandatory minimum sentence for every federal offense (including both drug and non-drug offenses).



--Expands the federal “three strikes and you’re out” law to include new offenses, including mandating life imprisonment (with no possibility of parole) for anyone convicted a third time under the RAVE Act.



--Mandates a 10-year minimum sentence for anyone 21 or older that gives marijuana or others drugs to someone under 18 (i.e. a 21 year old college students gives a joint to his 17-year old brother). A second offense would be life in prison.



--Expands what is considered to be a “drug-free” school zone to include almost any place in an urban area, and increases penalties for selling or distributing drugs in that area. (The result will be enhanced penalties for people in inner cities, while people in rural and suburban areas get less time for the same offense).



--Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that commits a drug trafficking offense near the presence of a person under 18 or in a place where such person resides for any period of time. The sentence is 10 years if they are parent. (I.e. a mother that sells her neighbor a joint will get a 10-year minimum sentence, even if her kids were at school at the time).



--Creates a new offense for persons who witness or learn about certain drug offenses that fail to report the drug offender to the police within 24 hours or fail to provide full assistance to the police in tracking and prosecuting the offender. Offenses that would get someone a 2-year minimum sentence, including failing to report a neighbor that is storing or selling drugs when that neighbor has kids, failing to report anyone that gives a joint to someone under the age of 21, and failing to report a college student that is selling marijuana on a college campus.



--Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that offers, solicits, encourages, or induces a person enrolled in drug treatment, or previously enrolled in drug treatment, to purchase, possess or receive drugs.



--Makes it a federal crime to provide "drug paraphernalia" to anyone. While the goal is to make it a crime - punishable by up to three years in prison - to give someone a bong as a birthday present, it would also make it a federal crime to provide someone with sterile syringes (except where it is explicitly authorized by local or state law). If enacted, it would essentially criminalize many needle exchange programs.



The full text of H.R. 1528 can be viewed by going to http://thomas.loc.gov/ , entering “HR1528” in the search box, checking the “enter bill number” circle under the search box, and clicking “search”.



If you "witness" certain drug offenses taking place or "learn" that they took place you would have to report the offense to law enforcement within 24 hours and provide "full assistance" in the investigation, apprehension, and prosecution of the people involved. Failure to do so would be a crime punishable by a mandatory two year prison sentence.



Here are some examples of offenses you would have to report to the police within 24 hours:



You see someone you know pass a joint to a 20-year old college student.



Your cousin mentions that he bought Ecstasy for some of his college friends.



You find out that your brother, who has kids, recently bought a small amount of marijuana to share with his wife.



Your substance-abusing daughter recently begged her boyfriend to find her some drugs even though they're both in drug treatment.



In each of these cases you face jail time if you don't call the police within 24 hours. It doesn't matter if the offender is your friend or relative. It also doesn't matter if you need 48 hours to think about it. You have to report the person to the government within 24 hours or go to jail. You also have to assist the government in every way, including wearing a wire if needed. Refusing to cooperate would cost you at least two years in prison (possibly up to ten). In addition to turning family member against family member, the legislation could also put many Americans into dangerous situations by forcing them to go undercover to gain evidence against strangers.



You need to be aware of the bill and state an opinion on it. The following sites can give you information on how to approach this.



http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/051805sensen.cfm



http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/051105sensenalert.cfm

[LibertyorDeath]

9. If this law is enacted as is then it is the means by which they

will imprison millions of American Citizens
all those pot smoking drug taking live & let live Liberals.

Thanks for all the additional info.

They have laid the foundation for a police state I guess they want
to start putting it to use.

[Kber]

48. I thought the Supreme Court already struck down manditory minimums

did I imagine that?

[LibertyorDeath]

6. OMG ! RECOMMEND!

This is a nightmare

what chance does this have of becoming Law?

it's so draconian

[B3Nut]

8. Already wrote my reps. re: this...

Haven't heard back from them though. I can't see Rep. Baldwin or Sens. Feingold and Kohl going for this, though. Especially Russ. This is totally obscene!

Todd in Beerbratistan

[LibertyorDeath]

22. Hope you're right

I'm not sure about any of this anymore.

It just keeps getting stranger & stranger.

[Greyskye]

7. Recommended with a

:kick:

[Spectral]

10. The ultimate breakdown of the family by the intrusive goverment

recommended

[converted_democrat]

11. Jesus.....I just called Nelson's office (again) and the aid on the phone

had no clue what I was talking about. Then I told him the highlights of the bill. His response " Are you saying you against a Drug Law Ma'am?" I then again, told him about the mandatory sentences for people who refused to inform on their kids. Again he replied, "Are you saying your against a drug law Ma'am?." I'm telling you this country is freaking me out. For real. What are we becoming? We have to stop this, and all other unjust laws. Come on, people. If we don't do something no one will. And you know as well as I do, that they will slip this through as quickly as they did the Bankruptcy Bill. I have a feeling Democrats in power are going to go along with this, just like they did on Real Id Act, and the Bankruptcy Bill. We have to make noise. If people don't know about it they can't be against it. If this does pass, people will be hard pressed to convince me that they don't want prison camps.

[Spectral]

14. "Are you saying your against a drug law Ma'am?."

That's exactly the kind of blindsiding that allows this law to pass. No one wants to be against a drug bill.

[genius]

12. Now parents, remember to watch your kids so you can have them arrested

like a good parent.

[Spectral]

13. The link to the bill

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/query


Look at the use of language here!


H.R.1528

Defending America's Most Vulnerable: Safe Access to Drug Treatment and Child Protection Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)

`FAILURE TO PROTECT CHILDREN FROM DRUG TRAFFICKING ACTIVITIES

`SEC. 425. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person who witnesses or learns of a violation of sections 416(b)(2), 417, 418, 419, 420, 424, or 426 to fail to report the offense to law enforcement officials within 24 hours of witnessing or learning of the violation and thereafter provide full assistance in the investigation, apprehension, and prosecution of the person violating paragraph (a).

`(b) Any person who violates subsection (a) of this section shall be sentenced to not less than two years or more than 10 years. If the person who witnesses or learns of the violation is the parent or guardian, or otherwise responsible for the care or supervision of the person under the age of 18 or the incompetent person, such person shall be sentenced to not less than three years or more than 20 years.'.




(2) CLERICAL AMENDMENT- The table of sections for the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 423 the following new item:

`Sec. 425. Failure to protect children from drug trafficking activities.'.




(n) Sentencing Guidelines-

(1) Not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Sentencing Commission shall amend the sentencing guidelines, policy statements, and official commentary issued under section 994 of title 28, United States Code, so as to ensure that--

(A) for any person who has been convicted of a felony violation of title II of the Controlled Substances Act, or a felony violation of the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act, if any part of the offense or relevant conduct involved manufacturing, transporting, possessing, storing, using, or trafficking in a controlled substance or a chemical or material used or intended to be used in the manufacture of any controlled substance in or near the presence of a person under the age of 18 or an incompetent person, or in a location in which a person under the age of 18 or an incompetent person resides for any period of time, or if any of the offense or relevant conduct involved conduct constituting an offense under section 416(b)(2), 417, 418, 419, 420, 422, 424, 425, or 426 of the Controlled Substances Act (whether or not charged)--





(i) section 5C1.2 of the guidelines shall not apply;

(ii) the base offense level is increased by at least 2 levels. Such increase shall be in addition to any applicable increase under section 2D1.1(b)(5)(C) or 2D1.10(b)(1)(B); and

(iii) if the defendant was the parent or guardian or person otherwise responsible for the care or supervision of the person under the age of 18 or the incompetent person the base offense level is increased by at least 4 levels. Such increase shall be in addition to any applicable increase under section 2D1.1(b)(5)(C) or 2D1.10(b)(1)(B); and

(B) the Guidelines Manual is amended in section 2D1.1(b)(5)(C) and section 2D1.10(b)(1)(B) to provide for an increase of 8 levels when the defendant was the parent or guardian, or otherwise responsible for the care or supervision of the person under the age of 18 or the incompetent person.

[converted_democrat]

15. link will not work for me.

[nashville_brook]

19. i could have guessed: the child protection act!

why not call the iraq war, Operation Child Protection


and...


i don't see any "treatment" in this... "safe access to treatment" my ass.

[Spectral]

26. The language is a lie, right down to the word "protection"

It is truly Orwellian, in the real sense of the word.

[nashville_brook]

33. i wrote somewhere else, about the similarity in US 2005 and Germany 1930

that it was "fascinating" in 2002... when i first clued into it. then it became "annoying," as in "not another simularity! now it's freaking too damn much. i've been banging the drum on this stuff for years it seems like (jeez, the reagan admin... we thought THAT was bad). it's only going to stop when we stop playing around and GET REAL.

same with the Orwellian thing. in the book, winston smith was mostly on his own. we have each other (and our numbers grow by the day) as long as they 'let' us have our internets.

viva la resistance!

now, where'd i put that damn bong...

[Spectral]

55. Do you have a link?

?

[nashville_brook]

16. isn't this where we say, "now they've gone TOO FAR!"

i mean, why not just start out with everyone in prison and make them prove themselves to get out...

fucking recommended

[yashuryabetcha]

37. seems sensible.........

:scared:

[AndreaCG]

17. I bet Rush is for this bill

Miserable hypocrite.

[maxsolomon]

18. it will pass easily & with nary a whimper from the MSM

and there's nothing any of us can say or do that would persuade a single GOP rep. or senator to vote against it.

opposition to the bill alone makes you suspect. why, you'd be FOR drugs then!

get your asylum papers in order.

[maxsolomon]

20. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., R-Wi, is the sponsor

his kids must be so proud.

[smoogatz]

25. Sensenbrenner is a lunatic

How does the same state that sends Feingold to the Senate elect a guy like Sensenbrenner to Congress? It's truly a mystery to me. There is a considerable and vocal subculture of dumbasses in these parts--I suppose that accounts for it.

[acmejack]

31. Sensenbrenner is past lunacy

This very easily could be the most fucked up thing he has done yet. We'll undoubtedly see another wave of kids turning in their parents as before when the kids were told that they were helping their folks. Now you will also have parents doing their kids a "favor" as well.

[progressoid]

21. "Back in the USSR" strikes a new meaning now

[Daphne08]

44. I believe Chairman Mao's "Red Guards" were known

to turn on their friends and family members during the Cultural Revolution.

Nice bill. :sarcasm:

[Spectral]

45. It's about breaking privacy in families

Everything becomes state information

[smoogatz]

23. Apparently we haven't put enough black people in prison for drug "crimes"

in this country yet. From the DOJ website:

On June 30,2004,

-- 2,131,180 prisoners were held in Federal or State prisons or in local jails -- an increase of 2.3% from midyear 2003, less than the average annual growth of 3.5% since yearend 1995.
-- there were an estimated 486 prison inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents -- up from 411 at yearend 1995.
-- the number of women under the jurisdiction of State or Federal prison authorities increased 2.9% from midyear 2003, reaching 103,310 and the number of men rose 2.0%, totaling 1,390,906.

At midyear 2004 there were 4,919 black male prison and jail inmates per 100,000 black males in the United States, compared to 1,717 Hispanic male inmates per 100,000 Hispanic males and 717 white male inmates per 100,000 white males.

link: www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm

The website also says that between 20-22% of all inmates are incarcerated for drug "crimes." That's over 400,000 people. Land of the free!

[ecstatic]

24. What happened to support of family values?

Can't a family work through something like this on their own? Why do they have to get the government involved, thus ruining their child's future?

[followthemoney]

34. The family must be split so all members...

will be impoverished and without family guidance. The youth will then be easily mobilized into indoctrination camps. Then comes the easy move into the military followed victory over the ausland.

[acmavm]

27. Are these assholes ready, willing, and able to inform on their own

kids????? Because don't kid yourself. Some of them have kids who are doing exactly what they're trying to throw middle class and poor kids in jail for.

I did a telephone interview for a job a while back, for a position as a data entry clerk for a major huge company. I made it to the taped second interview, the telephone interview where they tape it and send it to a bunch of frauds who think they can read a person's personality and tell what kind of employee they would be from the answers to the questions and the tone of someone's voice.

I did not get the job. They said I was bright and cheery and my answers were great, but they said that they felt I wasn't the best person for the job. They didn't think that I 'fit' the position.

Funny funny funny thing is a subsequently spoke to someone about this. They told me that the 'owner' of this huge conglomerate has a daughter who is an administrative assistant there. And then I was told about some of her escapades and her apparently well-known habit of using cocaine and alcohol. I guess she's more what they were looking for apparently.

Rich people and their kids can afford the best and most expensive vices.

[Maraya1969]

47. Well the good thing about this is we can report freepers and say

we are just following the law. The Bush Twins? If this passes send me a photo with their blurred eyes and I'll call the Washington Police.


Just following the law.

[lumpy]

28. Alert the freepers and the baclwoods Repubs !

Even most of those will quake in their booties.

[Spectral]

30. Not if their own guy is doing it.

Party loyalty hides all sins.

[HeeBGBz]

29. The USA is so very much a police state.

Why do I feel I will end up spending my retirement years in prison?

I wonder if Chavez would accept any expatriated amurkins to work the fields of Venezuela or whatever?

[ComerPerro]

32. Hear that, Jeb?

Your druggie daughter better clean up, or you'd better report her!

[librechik]

35. so a law against something you DIDN'T Do!

thought crime in the US--the Soviets have won, if this gets through.

[Cats Against Frist]

36. By virtue of the fact that people who do drugs might overlap

with any part of the population who doesn't have sex, with the lights off, on plastic sheets, doesn't have enough "ease" in their clothes, or might be college educated or would otherwise think outside of Stepford T.J. Cinnamon Freeper Jeebus Hell, it only makes sense that the Ministry of White Bread should try to incarcerate as many of them, as possible. And this law even extends to their families and associates. How delightfully convenient.

It's time for revolt, people. I think that we're going to see a "compassionate" Holocaust.

[yashuryabetcha]

38. Well then I guess

some Bush family members will be goin down?????

[fooj]

39. So, who is going to report on the twins?

Un-fucking-believable!

[OneTwentyoNine]

40. Next up: Report that your kid is Gay or go to jail.....

That way Bush and his Nazi's can round them up and send them to a Leper style colony on some remote Pacific island.

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

41. How could they prove it?

If I spotted a baggie on someone's kitchen counter and they had kids, EVEN if it was my kid, how on earth could anyone prove that I knew about it to prosecute me?

[Amonester]

42. Gee... How about if your fuckup neighbor hates U??????

Of course, for no real reason xcept, just his dumbness..., or because you've got a Kerry/Edwards 04 bumper sticker, or whatever else, and just goes to "plant" a baggie deep in your lawn, then calls... 911??

:mad: :puke: :wtf:

[Amonester]

43. Ummm... OTOH... If ya spot a Bush/CheneyUself 04 bum

per sticker... Get a (small) baggie somewhere in their props... then call...

Ummm... Tempting... Do cons vote?

Not very honest, I digress, but... tempting?

Ummmmmmmmmmm...

p.ps. how about planting some in crawford???

:evilgrin:

[2Design]

49. well they can start in the * most of them are addicts to something

probably extended family too - it is in the genes

[Spectral]

50. But * isn't a minor child anymore and isn't covered by this law

:kick:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

54. Take Action NOW

I know this is also posted above, but it can't hurt to throw it in one more time.


Go to - http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action/wacmoreinfo.asp?item=26179

Read exactly what this would mean and how it would effect YOU.

Then go here - the link is also at the bottom of the above page.
http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=26179&ms=Sensen0505-lm
And let your Rep know that you don't support this.

They have a nice sample letter that you can just sign and send. It takes less than 60 seconds of your time.

[Spectral]

56. kick

"sharing data across jurisdictional lines."

[FearofFutility]

57. Paging George Orwell, Paging George Orwell

You were 21 years off.

[Spectral]

58. Well, this crap did begin with Reagan.

And ketchup as a vegetable

[FearofFutility]

59. LOL

I forgot about that!:hi:

[Spectral]

62. Actually, this Orwellian speak was well established during the Vietnam war

Some of the missives I have seen from that time are just amazing examples of doublespeak. But compared to now, they aren't all that. Scary times we are in.

[BlueStateGirl]

60. Am I reading this rght? Not less then 10 years for NOT turining in your

own kid?

Are you kidding me?

I am all over this. I am calling my Representaqtive now. I am going to write some LTTEs, and email this to Keith Olberman. Maybe he will bring it up.

[DuaneBidoux]

61. So be it. Off to jail I go if and when required.