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Call me Deacon Blues Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:37 PM
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I'd like to say a few words about the impeachment of George W. Bush
In my lifetime I’ve seen two impeachments, or perhaps one and a half; the first was triggered by the Watergate scandal and led to Richard Nixon’s subsequent resignation. This wasn’t technically an impeachment; think of it along the lines of a “Law and Order” episode where the suspect, faced with overwhelming evidence, pleads guilty for the best terms he can get. Of course no “L&O” district attorney, not even Fred Thompson, would then give the perpetrator a complete pardon, which is what Nixon got. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, was impeached, which means, using the “Law and Order” analogy once again, that he was tried, not that he was convicted. The irony of all this is that the Clinton case was built on a tissue of lies and innuendo, orchestrated by the Republican right in an effort to find something, anything, to overturn the elections of 1992 and 1996. One might ask what it is that Republicans find so odious about free and fair elections – they’re constantly involved in trying to either fix them or overturn them.

Rigging elections is, of course, what Watergate was about as well, and it speaks volumes about the fixation of the Republican leadership on stealing what they can’t win fairly, even when they’re ahead. That was the situation in 1972; Richard Nixon had a such comfortable lead over George McGovern (Nixon won by 18 million votes; McGovern only took Massachusetts and the District of Columbia – think about that, Blue Staters) that there was no need, other than pure political paranoia, to break in to the Democratic National Headquarters. And this wasn’t the first instance of breaking and entering by the Republicans; they burgled Daniel Ellsburg’s psychiatrist in an effort to get dirt on the man who dared to blow the whistle on the lies of Viet Nam. Burglary, bribes, political slush funds and money laundering; compare this to a cheating husband lying about fellatio – which one do you think Arthur Branch and Jack McCoy would prosecute?

So now we have another instance of High Crimes and Misdemeanors. Forget about most of the abuses of George W. Bush; we can’t prosecute him for appointing right-wing nutball jurists and eviscerating environmental laws any more than we can arrest him for being stupid (although I think there ought to be a law about that – but that’s for another time). No, just about every evil, cowardly, vindictive thing he’s done since he’s been president has been perfectly legal, and in those instances where they might have been illegal he’s had the excuse of 9/11 and a lapdog Congress all too willing to change the laws to make it legal. No rights? No trial? No problem! Ah, but lying in order to get us into war, now that’s another story; while I’m no expert on the ins and outs of the War Powers Act, I’d be willing to bet that there’s a line in there somewhere about starting a war on false pretenses. The Downing Street Memo is the smoking gun all right, and we should be able to bring charges against our phony cowboy president, but there’s just one problem – nothing’s going to happen.

Why? Well, the last time I looked, the Republicans had a 232/202 advantage over the Democrats (and one Socialist) in the House, and if by some cataclysmic freak of nature they actually approved an impeachment resolution, Republicans outnumber Democrats (and one independent) in the Senate 55/45. This isn’t even taking Joe Lieberman into account. No, until the makeup of the Senate and House changes, George W. Bush could have rough sex with My Pet Goat in a baptismal pool on national television, and Tom DeLay would tell Sean Hannity that sex with animals was good for them and Hannity would say it’s also good for the nation (while Alan Colmes would demonstrate the technique for the studio audience). So don’t hold your breath.

The only way for George W. Bush to be impeached is for Democrats to take back Congress in 2006. Let me say that again. The only way for George W. Bush to be impeached is for Democrats to take back Congress in 2006. That means that we have to work like hell to get Democrats elected in our districts, and it also means that once they are elected, they need to be reminded who elected them, and why. I live in Tennessee, and my congressman is a Democrat, but both of my senators are Republicans, one of which, as we all know to our sorrow, is Bill Frist, who says he’s not running for re-election (the better to pursue the Reverend Dobson’s designs). You can bet I’m going to do my part to make sure that the next senator from Tennessee is a Democrat. Senatorial majority or not, I believe that there are substantially more Democrats in this nation than Republicans, and if we can win back their votes – with straight talk and new ideas – then the next congress will be a Democratic congress. Then we can take care of George W. Bush. And make no mistake; this is one job that, unequivocally, must be done.

We have to go through with it; we have to put George W. Bush in the dock; we have to try him for high crimes and misdemeanors; we have to reduce this cowardly bully to a blubbering, broken wreck, so that everyone, even his supporters, will know what we know – that he is a liar, and worse, a murderer, with the blood of over 1683 soldiers on his hands. We have to show the world that we DO have some morals and that we know when we’ve been wrong and that we have the strength and will to face this and do something about it. We need to make an example of him so that no American politician will ever, ever think about doing this again. And once he’s been shown the door, we need to get an honest attorney general to bring him, and Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld, and Tom Delay, and Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, and above all, Karl Rove, to trial; we need to put the evidence up there for all the world to see, to air our dirty laundry, and we need put them into prison for a long, long, time. We need to metaphorically fumigate the White House and the Congress. We need to bring our nation back into the light.

But we won’t do it this year. But we will do it next year.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:42 PM
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1. I've found an honest man ! eom
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:43 PM
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2. Hmmm...
The only way for George W. Bush to be impeached is for Democrats to take back Congress in 2006.

You took the words right off my mouth!
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:05 PM
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15. You're Right - Dean's 50-State Campaign Is Key
Florida's eighth congressional district is RIPE for converting to Democrat. I've told DNC headquarters as much by email.

Here's some recommended reading:

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050601/the_key_to_impeachment.php
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googly Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:06 AM
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28. I have been posting that since Nov 2004.
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:44 PM
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3. Why is it that we're the only ones who think he should be
impeached? Is this country so divided that we REALLY can't see the forest through the trees?

Oh yeah, that's right. There are no forests 'cause CCB is letting all the trees be cut down!!!!! AAARRRRGGGGGGG!!!
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:48 PM
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4. I said it in another thread, I think some family member of a soldier
killed in Iraq should find a way of filing a civil suit against the president. If "wrongful death" fits anywhere it fits here.

Maybe you are right about doing it next year but what if we don't have enough Democrats then?

I think the act of starting an impeachment will send a big message to the world that the American people are not all mass murderers like Bush and Company. Besides even if the process is started now it is going to take months to maneuver through it. We probably will have new members by then anyway. (you may correct me if I'm wrong)
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Call me Deacon Blues Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:52 PM
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5. No, you're probably right
It may be a good thing to go ahead and try. The Republicans will almost certainly bottle it up in committee if they can't outright kill it, but if they can't, it would be a good thing if it's already in the chute, so to speak.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:29 PM
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14. Also the old saying
"give them enough rope to hang themselves" comes to mind. Let them have to fight and speak against impeachment for months. Every last POS one of them!
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:07 PM
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6. YES.. but starting the resolution NOW will get us the house....
bringing the DSM and the reasons for Impeachment into the media is the best way to win... this will also grow some spine in the media to report the truth. I have bet several ppl all ready that bush wont finish this term, I intend to make that true!

BE THE MEDIA... keep up the preasure, talk to everyone you can!

this WILL happen, the naysayers have good reason to be skeptical, but look at all thats happening and you can see this is big!
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:09 PM
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7. Clinton was AQUITTED
by the Senate

technical i know but....
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Call me Deacon Blues Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:14 PM
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8. True
He was impeached and aquitted; that's like saying he was tried and aquitted.

Impeachment is the process, but like you say, aquitted is the verdict.

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:24 PM
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9. I agree with you except for one point....SEX
To many, there is no greater wrong than sex. With little exception, sex is bad. You can bomb, torture and execute all you want and it can be rationalized away. But if you dare have weird sex in anyway, you will be damned. If a breast (i am taking a chance just using the word)is exposed on TV, lightening will strike. Politicians have gotten away with murder but heaven can't help them if they get caught with their proverbial pants down.
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Call me Deacon Blues Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:44 PM
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10. I think we already have our Deep Throat . . .
If we could bring Jimmy/Jeff back from the dark side, I think we'd have enough to bring him down. I'd be watching my back if I was him.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:52 PM
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11. I'll give you a few of these:
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Hapameli Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:11 PM
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12. World Tribunal on Iraq - Verdict due June 27th ... COINCIDENCE?
I think not. Suspected partisians throwing accusations of war crimes is one thing... a tribunal in the tradition of the Nuremberg Tribunal is quite another.

www.worldtribunal.org
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:27 PM
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13. OR.. we could convince a few Repubs that he ISN'T one!
Because it's clear as day that this turd is about as far from a Republican, or a "conservative" as it is possible to be.

THEY are the ones getting sold down the river....we always knew he was no good.
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lucca Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 07:23 PM
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16. Well said.....Thank you!
I hope, oh how I hope, that the Democrats take back congress in 2006.

This madness needs to end!
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 07:55 PM
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17. I enjoyed reading this.
and hopefully we will have Harold Ford as your next Senator.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:46 PM
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18. Are you a political writer?
Because, if you aren't, it's time for a career change. You are as good as our two rock stars, Will Pitt and Plaid Adder.

In other words, kudos on a fantastic piece. This needs to go on the front page.
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Call me Deacon Blues Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:21 PM
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22. Thanks
I've been a writer for most of my life, but never anything of a political nature. I'm sort of "cracking my knuckles" here (this is only my second long post), getting warmed up. I intend to do more.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:10 PM
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23. Good
You are a superb writer and we're happy to let you crack your knuckles here but I hope you start getting more airtime and a more public venue for this stuff.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:53 PM
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19. This isn't even taking Joe Lieberman into account.
My laugh du jour.

Good post!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:58 PM
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20. I agree, what was Watergate's time-frame- 12-15 months before it
gained momentum? DMS has only been brought out 5 weeks?? plus if they really start digging into Bushco no telling what may be uncovered -- rumor on M st. says the Pentagon is falsely reporting the amount of US. troops already killed in Iraq --
some people are claiming they can prove the real figure is closer to 7000 US. troops.

It seems the Pentagon doesn't include a death if he/she was wounded on the battlefield but later dies in a hospital or on the way to one.

Every effort should be made not to accept the Blair-Bush latest comment to be the official response on DMS -- no closure until John Conyers says so!!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:01 PM
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21. Now we know why Rove got the Saddam trial schedualed in 2 months
After DMS - he'll try to move up the date to throw corporate media a bone

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:29 PM
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24. Thank you Diogenes
for another wise post.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:36 PM
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25. It actually CAN happen now! How might you ask?
www.recallthecongress.com

Doesn't anybody believe me?

We're going to subject every Congress member to recall if they don't impeach.

They will be legally forced into it. Doug Wallace said while a court has no jurisidiction to impeach, his lawsuit will seek a court finding to that effect.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:00 PM
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26. Something I must add...
I think working to clean up the elections and elect a Democratic Congress is a great thing, but we must explore all other options we have in the mean time.

We must take the time to look at what all our options are and see what works best. Nothing is a lost cause. Nothing in the whole damn world is a lost cause.

I really wish people would be more open-minded about things.
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splat@14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:21 PM
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27. Agree, as impeachment will be a partisan affair and
we don't have the votes....now. However, while I agree that the next elections and every election in either the House, the Senate or any state legislature is important, the importance of the impeachment process should not be ignored. Voinovich came over to the other side in the Bolton affair as the case against Bolton was too much for him to ignore. I submit that impeachment, supported by a proper investigation which reveal indisputable facts, will leave many republicans (except the those like Frist, Cornyn and others who will march lock step with the Right) with little choice but to support it. It would have happened during the Nixon-Watergate affair and its valid now.

We need to press both issues.
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:07 AM
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29. great points and forward looking plans... also a late Welcome to DU!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:48 AM
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30. Wonderful post! However, he CAN be impeached.
Too many of us are assuming that, once a motion is made to impeach, that the impending vote will follow along party lines. Yes, that'll be the case if the evidence of wrongdoing doesn't exist. However, "wrongdoing" DOES exist, but maybe it's SO obvious and SO simple that we're not pursuing it. We all know he lied. We talk about it every day. There's almost nothing to prove, it's so damn obvious.

Well by now, everyone knows that "lying to, or misleading the American people" for the purpose of invading another country is very impeachable. So we have our charge: He lied. Did he not?

Once the charge of lying is brought up, it sets the impeachment process into motion. From there, they'll vote to set up a judiciary committee to look into it or not. Well, how on earth can they NOT look into such a charge?

Let's look at the WORST case scenario. We bring up the charge of lying, which at least starts an impeachment process. Congress votes on whether or not to look into this charge. They vote it down because we don't have the votes. Meanwhile, the entire United States is paying attention and says WTF? The president just got charged with lying and they don't even look into it?? This has a snowball affect, and for the first time, the moveable middle starts being scared, really scared, and takes the good side, our side. 2006 would then belong to us.

This is why they HAVE to look into it and appoint a committee.

BEST case scenario is that the charge of lying is so blatantly obvious (which it is), that a committee is assigned to look into it, people start talking, individual Repukes start doing anything to save their own skins, they start distancing themselves from the two top cowards in office, there is nothing anyone can do or say to prove Bush DIDN'T lie, and the the vote passes and the impeachment process moves forward to the next step.

Look, whether or not we have the votes to impeach, we need to start the process, and I think waiting for the sake of 2006 elections would be a fatal mistake. Just starting the process alone would open a can of worms. Make that a can of nightcrawlers.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:42 PM
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31. Right! Another thing I was thinking was...
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 05:51 PM by Independent_Liberal
If he knows he's going to be impeached and has no way out of it, maybe he'll just do what Nixon did and resign to avoid a trial in the Senate.

So far no president has ever been removed from office. Impeachment doesn't always remove because the Senate has to vote to convict you first. Clinton wasn't convicted so he was able to stay in office. But if you're going to be impeached, you always have to go under oath no matter what. Running from testifying under oath would only make the situation worse. That would be obstruction of justice. Am I right on that? So in that case, he'll probably just be forced to resign.

Has anybody else thought of this?
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:58 PM
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32. Keeping this kicked!
Everybody on here has great ideas. Keep 'em coming.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 07:05 PM
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33. There was a break into the Democratic office in Ohio this year as well
but it went un-noticed by most people

:kick:
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