WTF is going on with these Democrats?

[Goldeneye]

It's like they want to lose. If they don't like Dean's comments, maybe they should talk to him. There is no need for this public feeding frenzy. There are more important things to focus on. They should talk about Health Care or Iraq or the DSM or the revisions being made to the Patriot Act. My bet is no one will listen to them. Shouldn't that be a huge clue as to the kind of battle that is now being waged? When's the last time the media covered the Count Every Vote Act or Kerry's Kids First bill? Doesn't that tell them anything.

Note to Democratic politicians: The media is using you to divide and conquer your own party.

[jsw_81]

1. Dean's comments are hurting the party

And not surprisingly, mainstream (and ambitious) Dems like Obama and the rest are starting to respond. Otherwise Dean could take the party over a cliff in next year's elections.

The real question is: WTF is going on with Howard Dean?

[fertilizeonarbusto]

5. Um

Two points: 1) The media as it is now will ALWAYS attack us.
2) If the moderate, don't offend anyone or rock the boat way worked, John Kerry would be president.
Let the Rethugs prove that Dean is wrong. They can't. stay in the offensive AND DO NOT APOLOGIZE. They never do, and they always win.

[TexasLawyer]

45. The Rude Pundit: "Howard Dean Will Fuck Your Shit Up"

I saw this posted on the DU General Discussion Board. Rude 'n' real!

The Rude Pundit's said it before and he'll say it again: Howard Dean will fuck your shit up. Stand that motherfucker up at the gates of hell. Let that son of a bitch loose in the dainty Democratic china shop and let's break some fuckin' dishes. Howard Dean knows the score, man; he knows that the faithful, those who actually believe that the fight is not the path to surrender, want a spokesperson who's willing to pick up the unpinned grenade that just landed near him and shove it up the ass of the enemy who tossed it. Goddamn, it would have been magnificent to have seen him debate the President. On stage, Bush would have been begging for the privilege to lick the sweat off Dean's balls.

-snip-

Challenged on the Today show yesterday by Matt "Behold My Stubbly Mane That Indicates I Am a Grown-Up" Lauer, Dean picked up Lauer, slammed him on the faux coffee table and whispered, calmly, in Lauer's ear that Democrats are tired of being the bottoms of the political fuck machine. He said, "They have the agenda of the conservative Christians...the Republicans don't include people. Look, they are outside the mainstream." And Dean wasn't afraid to invoke truly inclusive Democratic ideas: "They have used words like quota to try to separate black from white Americans. They did scapegoat gay Americans by putting an anti-gay amendment on it--in 11 states where gay marriage is already against the law. And they are attacking immigrants. Two--two Republican congressmen, Jim Sensenbrenner and Tom Tancredo, have incredible anti-immigrant legislation. This is not the way America needs to be." Calling out motherfuckers for fucking their mothers is as brutally truthful as politics gets.

While the right wing media has tried to portray the Democrats as turning against Dean. Andrea Mitchell, who hasn't seen Alan Greenspan's personal interest rate rise in years ("C'mon, Al, gimme more than a quarter percent"), reported Monday that Dean was "making Democrats nervous." And there's quotes out there where people like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi say Dean doesn't speak for all Democrats. But surely there's some confusion in the ranks, when such a prominent, public face of the party takes off the gloves. More than anything, it's like a bunch of Missouri high schoolers around the lockers in 1963, when the first guy walked in after summer break with long hair. Sure, sure, everyone teased him for being gay or girly. But then everyone saw the Beatles on Sullivan, and barbers went broke. Watch for John Edwards' response on his blog to become a standard reply. Or at least it ought to, because if everyone says the same thing, then the story of "nervous Democrats" becomes boring.

This manufactured uproar over Dean all started in earnest (this time) with his appearance on Meet the Press on May 22, where, in so many words, Dean said, "Republicans are vile cocksuckers who deserve nothing less than to be shit on by legions of diarrhea-ridden cows. They have fucked up the Congress, the Presidency, the judiciary, and the world. Now why should I play nice with those goddamn evil powermad assholes like Tom DeLay?" And then the fun started, with Bill O'Reilly, who really ought to be sodomized with a microphone, vomiting out that Howard Dean was "a bitter and increasingly incoherent man." Last night, O'Reilly attacked Dean again, saying he was "nonsensical." But, of course, O'Reilly also was begging Dean to come on his show. Because, you see, Bill O'Reilly is a five-buck-a-blow whore.

More - http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

[mrgorth]

46. "Somebody said fight the power!"

[liberal N proud]

6. Dean is just stating the obvious and the media who have

been orchestrated by KKKarl Rove are using it very effectively to cause the Democratic Party to fight among themselves.
The problem lies with the spineless wimps in the Democratic Part.
Dean knows that it is time to get in the republican machines face and that is exactly what he is doing.
If you want to stop the neo-fascist pig currently destroying America you need to at the very least keep your mouth shut publicly about your disdain for Dean and his approach.

[denverbill]

9. Oh right. We did so well in 2004. I can understand why you want more of

the same.

[htuttle]

16. I'm sure that 'secret strategy' from 2002 of not criticizing the President

...will pay off anytime now.

:sarcasm:

[paulk]

26. saying that most Republicans

have never made an honest living is criticizing the President?

[mazzarro]

31. Exactly ! This was the same strategy of the DLC'ers in 2002 and 2004

that got the dems clobbered. When are we going to start being unapologetic for standing in the face of KKKarl Rove's machine?

[jsw_81]

17. Kerry nearly won the presidency

Dean -- a loose cannon who can't go five minutes without saying something foolish -- would have been absolutely wiped out from coast to coast ala Goldwater and McGovern.

[Justitia]

25. "Nearly?" What is this? Horseshoes???

I won't be suckered into insulting another dem (Kerry), but if you think being "nice" to republicans is going to win votes, you are delusional.

We have gotten our asses kicked by MORONS who other MORONS admired because they "weren't afraid to stand up for something" - that's the way they see it.

Why the fuck are dems afraid of their own shadow???

[Al-CIAda]

39. Yes sir. n/t

[denverbill]

49. Kerry lost to a nitwit.

A President whose lapses allowed 9-11, who turned a $250 billion budget surplus into a deficit, who gave us the worst economy in 25 years, with a stock market STILL below when he came into office.

Kerry ran on a platform of being a war hero 30 years ago. The few and far between times when his popularity surged was when he actually came out and attacked Bush which is something Dean does every day.

Not only did we lose the Presidency, we lost 4 more Senate seats and more Congressional seats as well.

Dean would've mopped the floor with Shrub and Co.

[DemNoir]

11. Hello!! knock knock

This party has known nothing but defeat for a decade. The people that currently are criticizing Dean are the same ones that are to blame for us being a permanent minority.

Over the cliff? We have been over the cliff and laying broken on the rocks for a long time!

Once again wake the F up!

[mandyky]

12. I beg to differ, it's not Dean's comments

It is the media using RNC talking points to "analize" them.

[Leafy Geneva]

48. Exactly! And then faint-hearted Dems

start yelling that the sky is falling.

[CatWoman]

15. your comments hurt ME

[jsw_81]

19. Sometimes the truth hurts

Deal with it.

[Justitia]

27. You sound more Dean-like by the minute! -eom

[dbonds]

18. I see Dean's statements helping rally the party.

But the MSM can't stand that so they are trying, once again, to take him down.

[ernstbass]

37. We don't need to rally the party

we need to attract more voters to our party. Dr Sean's comments aren't going to help. Furthermore, when the repugs are finally looking bad to the public (recent polls, all the lame duck talk) Dr Dean doesn't need to shift the focus to himself.

[TahitiNut]

24. Your post helps make me glad I'm a liberal ... and not a Democrat.

The attitude portrayed in the remarks of "establishment" Democrats merely reinforce my choice to remain an independent liberal and small-"d" democrat.

[Rainbowreflect]

32. Sorry, I will never believe that speaking the truth will hurt us.

Lying, supporting lies, covering up lies, & not speaking up about lies will kill us all.

[BooScout]

42. BS

Nothing can hurt the party any worse than it's already hurt itself with it's toadies.

It's time the Party sat up and realized that their Republican Lite Bullshit isn't working.

[Triana]

2. I agree. If they don't like what he says they can...

...talk to him about it IN PRIVATE. Publicly they need to unite behind him, or STFU.

[Capn Sunshine]

3. This is about threats to THEIR power as well

when you make your living and campaign money getting corporate money (AND STRINGS) to the right people, and all of a sudden someone comes along and says "we're not going to take those strings or play it that way anymore" you use your insider network to fight back as your whole way of life is being threatened by someone who thinks THE PEOPLE, not corporations, come first.

This is what you're seeing, and the ones that speak the loudest are the most suspect. Remember them. They prefer to be corporate servants to being public servants.

[DemNoir]

4. This is one of the lowest points I can remember

I am disgusted. Is it any wonder that with such weak and self-serving "leadership" we have become a permanent minority party?

These spineless idiots cannot even stand up to some snarky comments from Fox News.

It really does feel hopeless at this point.

[Jacobin]

7. They are pandering idiots

They are scared to death of losing their corporate contributions. They are the 'pretend' opposition party kept in power to create the impression that we have a two party democracy.

I'd like to do a lemon meringue pie in the face of 2/3 of them.

[underthedome]

8. You're right but the fault lies with Dean

Dean provided the distraction and the media persistently question other party members on what they thought about his comments.

[BillZBubb]

13. Baloney!

You would NEVER see a Republican act as absolutely cravenly as these Democrats attacking Dean. It is weak, it is wimpy, it is stupid, and it is pathetic.

All they needed to do was change the subject with a seque. Take Dean's comment and don't slam it, expand on it and explain where the root truth lies in it. That's how you get into the public consciousness.

We are a minority party because of Dems like these clowns, not Howard Dean.

[underthedome]

22. I would distant myself from the comments as well

because it's the smart thing to do. 45% of those who voted for Kerry were White Christians, why insult the entire lot?

Dean needs to think before he speaks.

[Justitia]

28. Here we go again! How is "white Christians" insulting to the repubs? -eom

[underthedome]

33. It's insulting to White Christians

Dean has said he hates the Republican party and then a few weeks later says the GOP is "pretty much a white Christian party", you make the connection!

[Justitia]

43. Wrong again. And you are making logical fallacies all over the place.

So, by your logic, are you saying that Howard Dean hates white christians????

Sorry, sounds like you are trying to hear what you want to hear, not what was actually said.

[underthedome]

50. I just repeated what he said. Bottom line, votes are at stake

and I'm not going to stick my head in the sandbox.

[TahitiNut]

20. Yep. Any Democrat that holds office, speaks up, or opposes fascism ...

... is a "distraction." After all, everyone knows that media attention is a Bad Thing™ and Republican attacks must be avoided at all costs.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

With all due respect, when the bullets start flying please stay out of my foxhole! :thumbsdown:

[underthedome]

23. Speak up against their policies, it's not a hard thing to do right now *nm

nm

[TahitiNut]

29. It's NEVER been a "hard thing"... and sure does get attention, doesn't it?

:eyes: That's why 2004 was so overwhelmingly successful for Democrats. After all, they only had the worst economy in 50 years, American troops dying daily, erosion of civil liberties, and rampant corruption to run against. That's why it was such an overwhelming landslide for Democrats nationwide. :eyes:

[underthedome]

36. Keep it simple, state the cause and ill effect of their policies

cut out the mumble-jumble that the public tunes out and offer a solution on what your party would do different and do so in simple terms even if it isn't simple, don't depart from this course of you might find yourself distracted and in Vietnam talking about how proud it was to serve there.

[acmavm]

10. Yeah, we were just trying to figure that out as well. Please see this

thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1841589&mesg_id=1841589

[CatWoman]

14. please delete

[KingOfLostSouls]

21. MODERATEs, WAKE THE FUCK UP!

"you are with us or against us"

who do you think that was directed at?!?!

US

appeasement never worked, especially with a party where "consensus" means, "give us what we want and maybe we won't lock you out of a committee know and then."


you wanna play football with a team who believes the ball is theirs all the time, and keeps moving their goal line closer and closer while moving yours farther and farther away each time.

2004 was the time for appeasement and it didn't work

Dean's just doing what needs to be done, he's taking a gun to a gun fight.

instead of what all the moderates and "oh dean's gone too far" have done in the past, which is hide behind their girlfriends and hope they can negotiate.

after having how many elections stolen, how much ridicule, how much destruction of OUR nation will you people put up with?

I'd be ashamed to call myself a Democrat today because of the appease-Bush wing of the democratic party can't seem to work up the nerve to stand up to those who have their foots on the backs of YOUR neck.

but hey, maybe I'm just too much of a Democrat who believes in the DEMOCRATIC party and DEMOCRATIC values when I say that.

Go Howard, GO!

[jonnyblitz]

30. don't hold your breathe on that one..

:eyes:

[Capn Sunshine]

35. HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

GREAT POST! The whole truth!
You get a 4!
wait wrong forum

[bluedog]

34. Truth hurts..

plain and simple/many of us here have said the same thing about republicans......but Dean had his statements aired..........the media is having a field day with this......but.......this is really how US the voters feel about the issues he has brought up...............like it or not.....Dean is speaking the truth.....and whats so great about our party is that some may disagree with him.......our little voices are being heard.

the sens and reps that are coming down on Dean are worried about their next election.as they very well should be.......most are pandering to the bush agenda and thats not what WE the Voters want.they are cowards by not coming out and having their own opinions,,no better than the republicans...............and thats a fact!

[JohnnyBoots]

38. maybe it's a test to see who has his back????

[jimshoes]

40. Seems to me

that recently we were asking for some of Galloway's fire in our dems. Now that Dean is lighting the fire, some people are afraid of getting burned. I say turn up the heat and lets get this show on the road. Nice guys finish last. I don't want last place any more.

[Neshanic]

41. Say what you want Mr. Dean, you had me at "Republicans are....

Finally we get a guy that says what most of us "does not play well with others" Democrats want.

WHAAAAA...mommie make him stop!

You GO Dean!

[Zodiak]

44. Agreed.

I agree and am with Dean all the way on this one. I'm so sick and tired of Vichy dems and pink-tutu wimps feeding at the corporate trough and handing down draconian right-wing legislation to the little people.

We (the Dems) are finally going to stand for something other than not offending people.

[killbotfactory]

47. I think it's all about money

The dems who are most vocal about Dean's comments are the ones who have always hated him, and don't want the party to get off the corporate gravy train. They know if they had to rely on individual donations, the way Dean is raising the record amounts of money for the party, they would be SOL. Their policy of failure has failed, and they are desperately trying to make it work again.