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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:41 PM
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Contact info for turncoat Dems attacking Dean.
This is getting stupid. Let's get these bastards. And that SOB Lieberman must go. Period. Let's make him a priority for replacement in '06 (?).

Please let's put the contact info at the top of this thread so others don't have to dig through the thread to find it.

We need:

Lieberman
Gov. Richardson
Obama
Edwards
Who else?

Send one to Dean too.
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:41 PM
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1. Here's Governor Richarson's email:
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 02:37 PM
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18. My generic email - feel free to copy
Howard Dean is my Chairman. He represents me. I have no problem with his comments. He speaks the truth. He says what needs to be said.

The Democrats had better get behind him and back him up if you guys want to continue to have a Democratic Party. I am donating money to the DNC on a monthly basis only,only,only because of Dean. We no longer need corporate money or DLC types who might as well be Republicans. We , the grassroots, can do it ourselves. Dena knows this - he knows what he is doing.

You are hurting the party with your comments. If you don't agree with Dean, then tell the media that they should cover any of a number of other real issues rather than repeat Republican talking-points about a non-issue. You get a microphone shoved in your face - use it to help the Democrats by bringing up the disparity between rich and poor or funding cuts or the deficit or Social Security. Don't do the Republican's job for them of bashing Dean over something he said which was the truth.
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:43 PM
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2. Here's Obama's email:
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rwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:44 PM
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3. Try to mention
that Dean has never called anyone an "ASSHOLE" or told anyone to go "FUCK THEMSELVES"like bush* and cheney did.
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:44 PM
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4. Here's Lieberman's email:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:44 PM
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5. Go get them yourself
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:46 PM
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6. Care to explain yourself?
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:49 PM
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7. Here's Dean's contact page:
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:49 PM
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8. Yeah, that's gonna work real well
An all-negative campaign against other Democrats.

A better strategy? Progressives should challenge them in their state primaries. There's been damn little of that happening.

ANY press attention is better than NO press attention. Obama's great big act of treason was a politely-worded statement that now has the whole press corps a-twitter and ignoring their usual pro-Bush happy talk. We'd be fools to look this gift horse in the mouth.

When two Democrats argue, the news world stops and pays attention. This is something we can use. And judging from the lack of piss and vinegar in today's pseudo-outrage, I'd say that Barack and Dean are playing this one like masters.

--p!
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:54 PM
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11. It's certainly not a distraction from the Downing Street Minutes.
sarcasm off.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 01:04 PM
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12. Sarcasm not required
"Political Junkies" like most of us here have the ability to consider more than event at a time.

If you actually take the time to read what Obama said, you'll notice that NONE of the rage and anguish is coming from either Obama or Dean.

People who have less interest and shorter attention spans will only think that the Democrats have more of a presence in Washington. Right now, Bush and his crew dominate the news, the press, and popular culture.

All Democratic news is good news. We should take this political check and weep all the way to the bank.

--p!
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:51 PM
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9. Anybody got a contact for Edwards?
I realize he is the darling of many here, but he deserves a spanking.
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:52 PM
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10. Please keep kicked.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 01:06 PM
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13. Done, emailed them all. thanks
:kick:

Maybe he should have used the term "White Fake Christians" with a photograph of trailer hitch Jesus and the fiasco over Shiavo. Show excerpts from the Justice Sunday, Show Dobson, Robertson and Fawell, supporting the GOP...
The march Right toward a theocracy, that would benefit who? What Dean had said is not off point.


I dont see good in infighting in our own party when stakes are this high. A united front. Truth however painful needs to be spoken. It seems the DLC is trying to gag us. Dean's remarks could be the medicine this country needs...a wake up call.

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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 01:58 PM
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14. Contact the leadership!!
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 02:19 PM by pat_k
See Leadership Contact info and links at the end of this message:


Tell them to Stop Taking the Bait and talk about the substance of Dean's remarks.

The members are failing to use the attacks as an opportunity to talk about the substance issues that the voters care about. They don't need to say a word to defend or criticize. If you can, give them a specific response you'd like to hear. For example, here's what I, and I hope many others, would be delighted to hear:

Carping Beltway Insider: Dean said {insert trivial and out-of-context remark]. Republicans are calling on Democrats to condemn the remark as {insert phony, overblown reaction}

Member of Democratic Caucus/Conference/Leadership:
At the "Take Back America" conference, the Chairman was condemned the intolerable lines that the voters in minority and Democratic-leaning precincts faced in this last election. Countless voters were unable to wait and were disenfranchised by those lines. Howard Dean's remarks were right on. Those lines were wrong. This nation was founded on the principle of consent, and that consent must be obtained in elections that afford voters of every class an equal opportunity to cast their vote and have that vote counted. I suggest you read Conyers|Report on the 2004 Presidential Election if you don't think we have a serious problem here.

Carping Beltway Insider: But, aren't Dean's inflammatory remarks counter-productive?

Member of Democratic Caucus/Conference/Leadership:
What inflames my passions, and the passions of the voters in this nation, are violations of our most fundamental principle -- the principle of consent. Just a few weeks ago, Ken Mehlman, the RNC chair, shamelessly declared the Republican Party's intent to employ voter suppression to ensure when he vowed to "do whatever we can to help make sure Jerry Kilgore becomes the next governor of the state" - including, according to the AP "having poll workers on hand to challenge voter eligibility." Whose eligibility do you think they intend to challenge to "ensure victory"? Certainly not the voters they expect to vote for Kilgore. Selective suppression of votes is wrong.

When you call, make sure you indicate that you are calling the person in their leadership capacity. For example, "I'm calling {Senator/Congressman Whoever} in {his/her} capacity as {leadership title}. I'd like to speak to someone about how the Democratic members are dealing with the carping about Dean."

Senate:
Reid (Leader): 202-224-3542
Durbin (Whip): (202) 224-2152
Schumer (DSCC Chair)

Congress:
Pelosi (Leader): 202 225-4965
Hoyer (Whip): 202 225-4131
Lewis (Senior Chief Deputy Whip): 202 225-3801
Emanuel (DCCC Chair): 202-225-4061 or DCCC office at 202 863-1500
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 02:02 PM
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15. No need to contact the leadership - see what Dean and Reid said today
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 02:29 PM
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16. They still need to get the message
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 02:29 PM by pat_k
I think they still need to get the message -- and it is a VERY important one.

Saying you'll just keep talking about the issues is NOT the same as deflecting and ACTUALLY talking about an issue.

As I indicated above, this is what I, and I hope many others, want to see them do. Reid may be getting it, but he still sounds defensive.

Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive. And don't ever apologize for anything. - Harry S. Truman (
Quote courtesy OX on tabletalk)


Reid's tone is more defiant, but he is not carrying the battle to them. See the exchange above for an example of the difference.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:09 PM
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23. Thanks, pat_k! nt
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:40 PM
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24. Issues Issues Issues Issues
The leaders AND Howard Dean. They're working on important issues.



Dean said he hasn't talked to Reid about his comments.

"We haven't had any discussions about what's going on in the media circus and all that stuff in the last two weeks," Dean said. "What we're focused on is how to have a decent Social Security system, how to have a strong national defense, how to have jobs in America again, how to deal with incredibly high gas prices and get a decent energy bill which actually will do something about gas prices."



Please, let them do it and stop this demented distraction.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 02:31 PM
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17. Sending dollars to DNC is more effective. Use your screams for DSM story.
Don't let the media dictate the news.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 03:30 PM
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20. Sending money doesn't tell them to "Carry the Battle to them"
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 03:47 PM by pat_k
Hey, they can use this attack to shift attention to the DSM, or any other issue critical to voters (see Contact the Leadership). Create a smaple dialog to "Carry the Battle to them" with an attack that includes the disclosures in the DSM. Such counter-attacks can be employed whenever idiots in the beltway bubble jump all over a diversion like this.

Tell the folks in the leadership that you are tired of seeing them miss opportunities to draw attention to the real issues.

This is the message that they need to hear. And they need to hear it from us in calls, faxes, and email. Contributions to the DNC are great, but will not demand the change in how they handle similar inside-the-beltway carping in the future.


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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 03:48 PM
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21. And...
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 03:51 PM by pat_k
There is resistance to "getting" this. One staffer I talked to said "But, isn't it better not to have to explain those sort of remarks?" This, after I had said, "The members should not say a word to defend or criticize. They need to refrain from taking the bait. It it not hard to do." After another "Yeah, but," I quoted part of the sample dialog above. I think he started to see the light. Talking to members of the staff makes a difference. We can start a Buzz. "Reframing" has seeped into their vernacular, but they aren't employing it. They are allowing themselves to stay trapped in the other guy's frame. They need some prodding from us.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 02:47 PM
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19. Senator Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi dissed Dean
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 03:52 PM
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22. PNAC Diane turned on him too?
Geez, this joke keeps on writing itself, doesn't it? :eyes:
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:29 PM
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25. Locking, as per the short form rules which state:
Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office.
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