Isn't Bob Kerrey's image, like, way beyond repairing

[mouse7]

Is this just me?

I thought if you checked the "committed war crimes" box on the application for running for an elected office, you pretty much were out of the running for getting at least a Democratic Party nomination for further elected offices.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. What is BOB Kerrey running for?

[mouse7]

9. He's trying to position himself for VP

He's got his people out whispering his name in ears for VP consideration.

[seaglass]

15. Show me ONE credible story that anyone is promoting

Bob Kerrey for VP.

[mouse7]

20. Google Bob Kerrey at Google News: 149 hits

Who the HELL is Bob Kerrey NOW to get 149 hits on Google News.

You don't get that kind of publicity unless someone is trying to circulate your name.

[SahaleArm]

21. Or you're about to be appointed to the 9/11 commission n/t

[seaglass]

22. In other words, you made it up.

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[SahaleArm]

26. You implied that it was due to being a VP candidate n/t

[seaglass]

29. no kidding.

now he's searching blogs in desperation, I mean someone must have said it somewhere...:eyes:

[mouse7]

31. Yeah... nobody discusses politics on blogs, right

http://blog.johnkerry.com/
http://www.blogforamerica.com/
http://www.clark04.com/

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

46. Demonstrates poor reading skills, the writer was referring to Cleland

in parenthesis.

[mouse7]

54. Pot calling kettle black

You don't understand that people with different first and last names aren't the same person and you critic my reading ability?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

64. No I do understand and you deliberately misled in your opening post

since Bob Kerrey has not thrown his hat into the ring. You then used this BLOG that you failed to read properly as evidence of your point. The BLOG refers to CLELAND being considered as VP by the blogger...not Kerrey.

Next ad hominem attack response?

[mouse7]

69. People don't "throw" their hat in the VP ring

I can't think of many who became VP who ever publically threw their hat in the ring for the job prior to they were selected by the Presidential candidate.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

73. Whatever

:eyes:

feel free to contradict yourself when convenient :D

mouse7 (230 posts) Mon Dec-22-03 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #1

9. He's trying to position himself for VP


He's got his people out whispering his name in ears for VP consideration.

[mouse7]

78. I report, you distort and pray.

I said people don't publically campaign for VP. I never said people do talk with people in the loop privately and manbe even twist arms behind the scenes.

What's happened here is that you've invested so much energy in this thread and know you are so dead wrong on so many points that you have forgotton the issues and just are desperate to beat ME.

I'm not running for anything. I'd spend your energy on somthing more valuable.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

80. You have not proven your point . Better luck next time.

Have a nice rest of your holiday vacation :D

BTW, if VP's don't run for elected office then that contradicts your opening post, does it not?

Is this just me?

I thought if you checked the "committed war crimes" box on the application for running for an elected office, you pretty much were out of the running for getting at least a Democratic Party nomination for further elected offices.

[mouse7]

82. Merry Christmas :)

n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

83. I'm Jewish

[mouse7]

85. Happy Hannakah! :)

n/t

[mouse7]

27. Another link

http://www.demochoice.org/dcpies.php?poll=WCvpAug

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

45. A link which eliminates him as a choice?

[mouse7]

53. It's a poll which lists him as a potential match for Clark

It's a list of potential Clark VP this person is polling about.

Like I said... don't visit Korea or Punjab India.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

59. WTF does NK of India have to do with this?

[mouse7]

61. That's the homeland of the Sihks...

... where everyone's last name is Singh.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

65. Oh I get it..you deliberately cloud the issues by pretending BOB KERREY

is on anyone's short list for VP, aren't able to prove your point when challenged and this has now become about me not understanding people have similar sounding names.

Captain of your debate team, I presume?

[mouse7]

72. I have proof. Links are there.

I don't care what you think. You can't tell the differece between Bob and John. Anything more complex will be analyzed equally wrong by you.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

75. I made it clear in my first post on the thread that I knew the difference

You have now made it clear you don't have a leg to stand on, can't prove your point and are now resulting to ad hominem attacks...a rather poor debate tactic since you can't prove your point.

Taxi?

[oasis]

79. Wait, don't go, hear more about Korea's Kims plus Andersens in Denmark.

Wongs in Taiwan. etc.

[mouse7]

30. another

http://wackymonkey.org/comment/

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

44. This is your evidence that Bob Kerrey is being considered for VP? ROFL

Senator John Kerry. I used to confuse this Massachusetts senator with Senator Bob Kerrey of Nebraska. They're both Vietnam combat veterans. To avoid the confusion, Kerry should get the nomination, and he could name Kerrey as his VP running mate. Can you imagine the debates between Kerry-Bush and Kerrey-Cheney? Kerry could ask where Bush was during the Vietnam war (AWOL from his Texas air base) while the future senator was putting his money where his mouth was. Kerry even killed a guy. He could stand up (he's tall enough) and ask Dubya, "How fast can you disassemble, clean, and reassemble an M-16?" and when Bush gives him his jive answer, have an aide bring out two of the assault rifles for each to disassemble, clean, and reassemble. Kerry is also presidentially attractive. Plus, his middle name starts with an F, so his initials are JFK. This will pull on the nation's heartstrings. I personally believe that Kerry is the only one who even stands a chance of preventing a Bush election in 2004. He's got foreign policy savvy... wait, people don't care about that. He's good looking and tall, and a fairly engaging speaker. Kerry/Kerrey in 2004!

[mouse7]

32. another

http://www.mydd.com/archives/000424.html

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

47. nothing on this link demonstrates that BOB KERREY is being considered

for VP

[bitchkitty]

87. That's so untrue -

there's no way he would ever be considered, unless the candidate wants to lose. 149 Google hits? Excuse me, but big deal, that doesn't mean anything.

[mouse7]

89. Evan Bayh got 129

Bayh's name gets mentioned by everyone. So Bob Kerrey's name is out there more than a guy the whole world knows is lobbying to be VP.

[vi5]

2. What are you talking about. What is Bob Kerrey running for?

???

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

92. Most number of hits on google based on his evidence presented

:D

[mouse7]

94. You don't even know what Google news is, either

The number of "hits" on Google News is the number of stories in their Google news database about the subject.

So there's 149 stories in the mainstream media about Bob Kerrey at the present time.

The Google News database only seraches the last 30 days.

So there have been 149 stories in major media sources about Bob Kerrey in the last 30 days.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

96. Give me a fucking break..another ad hominem attack?

Here's your 149 google hits...FIND ME ONE FUCKING HIT THAT SAYS KERREY IS TROLLING TO BE VP AND HAS ACTIVELY WORKED ON IT.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&q=bob+kerrey&btnG=Search+News

[WilliamPitt]

3. Ah, the informed ones

I do love them.



John Kerry



Bob Kerrey

[helleborient]

12. Thanks for your nasty assumptions about fellow DU-ers... (n/t)

[Sir_Shrek]

4. Yes...yes it is...

I just hope his...ahem..."brother" JOHN KERRY recognizes this, and convinces his...ahem..."brother" BOB to sit this one out and let him handle it.

[KC21304]

5. Thank God, it IS just you.

[Rowdyboy]

6. Baseless, whether referring to John Kerry

or Bob Kerrey. But some people just love to get down and bathe in the muck .And, yes, I have read EVERY word available about Bob Kerrey's alleged war crimes. In a word, bullshit!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

7. Put up solely for flame bait. I searched your posts in LBN and it is clear

you know the difference between JOHN KERRY and BOB Kerrey since you accurately spelled Kerry's name correctly in a post where you commented on the loan he took from his house.

Thanks for the dishonesty....it's part of what makes DU great (NOT)

[mouse7]

10. Hey, if evidence has appeared to clear Bob Kerrey, do tell :)

I thought his career was done. I'd love to have links for evidence that clears BOB KERREY. The last I had heard, there was a big investigation that his unit had committed attrocities.

And yes, I know the difference between Bob Kerrey and John Kerry. About 1500 miles in the states they served from for one. Bob Kerrey left the Senate to take over as Prez or Chancellor or something at the New School, I think.

By the way, I like Bob Kerrey. He's a little conservative for me, but he was GREAT on the ground in the Florida 2000 mess advocating for Gore. However, other than seeing Kerrey give a couple of 30 second intros for speakers at the New School on CSPAN, I have heard zero about Bob Kerrey since the accusations were made. I don't claim to know all about the political scene, but I'm somewhat in the loop, and reasonably well informed. If I hadn't heard anything, there was a pretty good chance nothing new had broken since the story broke.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

49. Nothing demonstrates he's running for elective office so you have a bit

of proving to do before I need to act at all. BTW, were any charges ever filed against Bob Kerrey?

[oasis]

8. It's seems a DUer's image may need a bit of repairing.

;-)

[Devils Advocate NZ]

11. I love this thread!

Just look at all the Kerry supporters turn up to defend their man, WHEN HE ISN"T EVEN MENTIONED!

Then they have the GALL to insult the original poster for supposedly not knowing who he or she is talking about!

What fools they have made of themselves!

Thanks WilliamPitt and others that was so FUNNY!

I mean, Bob Kerrey was accused of war crimes, and the original post referred to Bob Kerrey and the war crimes accusations. Where in that entire post is there ANY indication that mouse7 was talking about John Kerry?

This is just too funny :D

[sleipnir]

13. Typical Supporters of an unnamed candidate

I was just thinking the same exact thoughts DA NZ...

These supporters will go to any lenghts to defend a candidate, even if he's wrong.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

18. Hell yeah...

I've seen supporters say things like voting for a resolution called the "Iraq War Resolution" was NOT a vote for war!

I mean come on! What was it a vote for? A tea party?

Yep, I have seen some pretty lame defenses on DU, but this thread was just too much. If the original post wasn't bait, it should have been :-)

I mean that was the ultimate gotcha! Especially as the original post was in NO WAY deceptive about its meaning. All of the deception happened in the minds of the supporters as they fooled themselves into seeing something that was not there, then reacted violently to it!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

70. So are you suggesting Biden/Lugar which Dean supported was an ANTI-WAR

vote? It clearly wasn't..it merely framed the pretext for war differently.

[mouse7]

16. Well, CNN flashed something about Bob Kerrey before quake

It looked like they were going to run a story about the rumors I heard about Bob Kerrey pushing himself for VP.

Then the Central Cali quake happened and all promoed stories were sucked into the void.

Hey, if Kerrey has clear those accusations, cool. Welcome to the party. Howevey, if Kerrey hasn't cleared them, I really have a problem with him getting all those rumors and accusations thrown into the discussion of Dem candidates.

[seaglass]

17. Don't tell me that you're fooled that easily.

n/t

[Devils Advocate NZ]

19. Fooled how?

Are you STILL trying to say that mouse7 is refering to John Kerry?

Hahaha! :-)

Are you seriously trying to tell me that someone posting SPECIFICALLY about a person named Bob Kerrey, and refering to events in Bob Kerrey's life, is somehow trying to attack John Kerry?

Oh, please say you are! I haven't had such a good laugh in a long time!

[seaglass]

25. Sorry if you can't figure it out.

[sleipnir]

28. Maybe you can help me, too, as I can't figure it out

Your cryptic posting is absolutly unfounded. Why don't you come out and say what you really mean?

[mouse7]

33. We can figure out that you didn't know who Bob Kerrey was.

That was pretty simple, actually.

[seaglass]

90. Sorry buddy, the only people that were fooled were your

cheerleaders who believe that your post was an honest attempt at discussion. It wasn't.

[mouse7]

91. Yeah... you go on believing that.

Convince yourself you didn't appear to be completely illiterate because you argued that you can't tell the name Bob from the name John.

You've protected the whole free world from Bob/John confusion. The universe is in you debt.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

36. I can't believe you did it! Hahahaha!

Oh this is just too good :D

Most sane people would just walk away. I mean check out the total absence of support from other Kerry supporters. Perhaps you should take the hint?

[mouse7]

39. Thank God these people weren't around for JFK campaign

Can you imagine how a discussion of a JOHNSON VP would have eaten their minds?

All those people named Johnson to have to keep straight. The Horror! The Horror!

[mouse7]

23. For an anti-John Kerry hit, I'd post Sun. Late Edition transcript

If I was going for a hit on John Kerry, I just post the transcript of his appearance on Late Edition yesterday.

Kerry delivering his prepared remarks criticising Dean for the "no safer after Saddam capture" statements getting interupted like 3 times by Wolf Blitzer to promo Ridge's appearance in minutes to increase the alert level was painful to watch.

[Old and In the Way]

35. It was the part that mentions "running for elective office".

Really, you don't think that people confuse Bob and John Kerrey/Kerry? It does happen.

This post manages to confuse the identity of both, insinuating that the one running for elective office has war crime issues.

I understand the difference between the 2 men, but there are many who read DU that don't.

[mouse7]

37. Keeping BOB KERREY out of a VP slot is a BIG issue

Bob Kerrey has unresolved war crime accusations. IF there is anything to said accusations, and if there is no evidence to clear BOB KERREY of said accusations, keeping BOB KERREY as far as possible from a 2004 national ticket is of the highest priority.

I'm sorry you are easily confused. I'm sorry there are others easily confused in the world, too. However, that isn't my problem. Getting updated on this issue and reminding people that it would be a bad idea for everyone (including John Kerry) to have their name mentioned in conjuction with someone who may have commited war attrocities until BOB KERREY can act to clear his name.

[Old and In the Way]

41. No, you are just being disingenuous in your posts on this thread..

You were trying to be cute in tying the 2 together. I wasn't confused at all...I know a smear job when I see one.

Pathetic, trying to turn this into an "education" thread after we've outed your little hack attempt.

As far as Kerrey's "unresolved war crimes" and "may have committed war atrocities" accusations, I am in no position to confirm or deny that these allegations are true.....are you?

[mouse7]

48. Are Tiger Woods and James Woods the same person, too?

Do you keep tuning into PGA telecasts expecting to see "Against All Odds"

I doubt it. Matter of fact, I doubt ANYBODY tunes into "Mississippi Burning" expecting to see some long drives off the tee and good wedge play.

The whole world is used to the concept there are more people than last names.

One more tip. Don't ever go on a visit to Korea or Punjab India. The Kims and Singhs will melt your brain to slag.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

42. When was BOB Kerrey formally accused of war crimes? Did I miss the case?

And it was pretty clear the thread starter mentioned running for elective office which BOB KERREY is NOT doing..unless you have proof other than a blog for that.

I hadn'tnoticed anyone defending John Kerry so much as taking aim at a CHEAP shot, but thanks for giving us the insight on what you find humorous....cheap shots like the one you took at Will in that post.

Thanks :D you make a difference

[mouse7]

51. Vice President is an national elective office

The Constitution... umm.... you might wanna glance at that.

Vice Presidents are selected by the electoral college. Electors are chosen by the American people at the same time they cast their vote for president.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

56. YOu still have failed at demonstrating he is being considered by anyone

for VP.

I have read the entire constitution. One has to be a little familiar with it to get a JD...however, you mis-read the BLOG up above that was talking about Cleland being considered by Koz for VP NOT BOB KERREY, so I wouldn't trust you to read and interpret the constitution for me anyway until you prove yourself adept at interpreting the more remedial stuff like a blog.

[mouse7]

63. You admit you cannot tell the difference between Bob and John

A person who can't tell the difference between Bob and John cannot lecture anyone about reading skills

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

67. No I never admitted that. You deliberately framed the post in an ambiguous

manner to have your fun ;-) I am well aware of the difference.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

93. Where is there any evidence that Bob Kerrey is running for anything

Hey..we all get a kick out of you too

[mouse7]

95. Evidence that he is considered a possible candidate all over thread

You're so desperate to cover the fact that you spent your whole afternoon in the ridiculous attempt to claim people can't tell the difference in the name Bob and the name John that you arre desperate for a win on this thread no matter how you ave to get it.

Lie about me? Fine.

Lie about my evidence? Fine.

You went to the Karl Rove school of debate and executed the lessons flawlessly. Lie. Distort. Distract. Lie some more.

You really don't think anyone who reads this thread will feel better about you as a persona as a result of your behavior, do you?

The only thing you accomplished today was flush some respect people might have had away.

[windansea]

14. Dooooooooooooooooooooooh!!

[leetrisck]

34. when you have a selected president guilty of treason,

why on earth would this matter? You know - desertion in time of war.

[ibegurpard]

38. Why are we discussing Bob Kerrey?

Is he actually being seriously considered by someone as a running mate? How would that help anyone? Does anyone even know who Bob Kerrey is anymore?

[mouse7]

40. The whole Dean/Clark VP thing got VP talk started

Yeah... BOB KERREY is still on some people's lists for some reason.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

43. PROVE IT

I just debunked all of your links

[mouse7]

50. Yeah... like I said, don't visit Korea

Your brain would melt to slag too.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

52. Do you have ANY evidence as to the fact that BOB KERREY is in the running

for VP or only cheap shot personal attacks?

[mouse7]

58. Do you know the difference between Tiger Woods and James Woods

If you do, then you can tell the difference between Bob Kerrey and John Kerry.

If you don't, I'm sure there are theraputic options available.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

60. *best Regis impression* Is that your final answer?

Again, where is your PROOF that anyone is considering BOB KERREY as VP?

[mouse7]

66. The poll is and posts are there. That's proof

You're admitted you cannot tell the diffence between the names Bob and John. Rant all you like. Whatever you pronounce is laughable. You can't read. You certainly aren't capable of prononcing anything.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

68. Wow...still demonstrating poor reading skills since in my very first post

on this thread I made it clear I knew the difference.

Next ad hominem attack?

[mouse7]

74. You're admitting you can't tell Bob and John apart, not me.

You're the one who is claiming it impossible for human being to determine the difference to differentiate between the names Bob and John.

You're the one indicting your ability to make accurate accessments about things, not me.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

77. I'd have to repeat myself as much as you to continue in this conversation

but my pizza is ready.

[oasis]

55. If BOB KERREY ever runs for vp in Korea, be sure to let us know.

thanks in advance. :hi:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

57. Bob Kerrey admitted to participating in war crimes.

Here's a link:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/kerr-j06.shtml

From the article there:

"In a section that is remarkably brief, given that Kerrey has said the event changed his life, the author speaks only in the vaguest terms about his own actions on the night of February 25, 1969, when he led his Navy SEAL squad into the tiny hamlet in the southern Mekong Delta. He writes:

“My point man led the way. He came to a house he said he believed was occupied by sentries. We had been trained that in such situations it would be too risky to move forward knowing that they would warn the men in the village unless we killed them or aborted the mission. I did not have to give an order to begin the killing but I could have stopped it and I didn’t.”"


As I understand it, he supported the invasion of Iraq and has been appointed to the 9/11 (whitewash) commission.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

62. He was also on the board of the Committee to Liberate Iraq but the thread

starter still hasn't proven that he is on ANYONE'S short list as a VP..and given the still undetermined status of his actions in Viet Nam, I seriously DOUBT he will be on anyone's short list unless they are committing sepuku.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

71. So?

Then there isn't anything to worry about, is there?

Except that a self-admitted war criminal and pro-war advocate has been appointed to the commission investigating 9/11.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

76. My point exactly. I don't think you and I disagree.

I simply took issue with the thread starter for starting an ambiguous thread wherein he claims Bob Kerrey is on anyone's short list for VP...

[mouse7]

81. Link for poll to for Clark VP choices with Kerrey up there. Case closed.

You've just invested so much energy in this thread and look so bad that you have to WIN SOMETHING.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

84. Yes and in that link he was eliminated. Even gadfly bloggers disprove your

point.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

86. You and I disagree only on the importance of it.

Let's hope that none of the Democrat candidates would have Bob Kerrey on any list for anything. An assumption that none of them are considering him is far from assured, given that 4 of them seem to have no problem in advocating for Bush's war.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

88. We don't even disagree on that

And only two were in the Rose Garden taking photo ops Lieberman and Gep along with Bayh whom I have NO DOUBTS wants to be in the second position on the ticket.

We probably DO disagree on the significance of the IWR vote since not one anti-IWR vote DU'er has yet to prove to me that war wouldn't have happened anyway.

[Moderator]

97. I am locking this....

It is inflammatory.


DU Moderator