DSM will not sink Bush, BET ON IT

[fujiyama]

It's funny, but everytime something damaging about Bush comes out (and don't we know this presidency should have been sunk years ago with all the shit they've pulled), people here believe "this is it, the tide has turned".

I hate to spoil the optimism some have, but I feel like being a bit of an ass, and I feel it's good to always live in reality.

Guess what? The tide hasn't turned. The media is still whoring for Bush. Bush still has at the minimum of a 40% approval rating (yes I find it hard to believe as well) and the republicans have a clear and definite majority in both houses of congress.

Bush will not be impeached and barring some unforseen circumstance, will not resign or be forced to resign.

Remember Sensenbrenner, the fascist fucker that threw a temper tantrum? Yeah, that same ass hole is in charge of the judiciary committee.

Now, I appreciate all the work Conyers has put in, but ultimately a minority party member in the commitee has only so much power. No impeachment hearings will be brought up. I expect nothing. I also don't expect other Dem House members to even consider it. They didn't during Reagan when they actually had control of the House.

Now, I'm not trying to stop anyone from bringing attention to the DSM. The recent attention (even if minimal) is definetely good. I want Bush to go down in disgrace, atleast in the face of history - as one of the, if not THE, worst president this nation has ever had.

But ultimatly, there will be NO chance of impeaching him, unless we take control of the House in '06.

[still_one]

1. unfortunately you are correct

In addition, unless the voting system is fixed by 2006, don't count on any change in business

In 7 to 10 years when people wonder why we are in Iraq, why their is no social security or medicare, why oil is more than 60 dollars a barrel, why they can't afford to send their kids to college, or find a job, and how Roe V. Wade got overturned, ask them who they voted for in 2000 and 2004

[fujiyama]

6. Yep

I'm with ya.

Am I Pessimistic? Sure, but then again I was about as optimistic as I could be for this election and had one of the biggest letdowns I had in my life.

I prefer not to feel that way ever again. I'm not putting myself up for that kind of disappointment.

[Paul Dlugokencky]

8. "...ask them who they voted for in 2000 and 2004"

I'm willing to bet that there will be a lot of Bush voters who either

1.) won't admit voting for Bush/Cheney.
or
2.) will blame Clinton for the whole mess.



http://www.cafepress.com/kickindemocrats

[emanymton]

11. Blame Clinton. shrub Not Responsible.

[LightningFlash]

2. I'll call your bluff.

Washington Post isn't "whoring" for them and there are alot of republicans and democrats in Congress who are tired of Iraq calling for an immediate removal plan.

They're preparing to legislate a removal plan. This isn't going away. This was NEVER going to go away..
:wow:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. i do too

[ClintonTyree]

3. I'm of the same opinion....

as much as I'd LIKE to believe this would bring them down, I see nothing that could precipitate it. The Slugs own both Houses of Congress, the Federal Judiciary and the media........well, the media is nothing more than infotainment.
There is no oversight of the White House, no one that can hold them accountable. There are more than a few Dems asking the right questions, but they'll be ignored.
I think this will slip down the memory hole just as every other bush "scandal" has. No one can stop them, the coup is complete. Short of armed insurrection, there's nothing that can be done to hold them accountable.

[LightningFlash]

13. It doesn't even matter though: Latest out of the house.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/11/more_in_congress_want_iraq_exit_strategy?mode=PF

Congress calls for Iraq removal immediately, says "constituents are all tired" of the wars.

Their own constituents will force them to be held accountable. That's what everyone's job is--Period.

[Karenina]

37. Ah yes, that "tipping point."

Are American citizens also FUBAR?

Fucked
Up
Beyond
All
Redemption?

Are they waking from their slumber? Is the PAIN great enough yet? Will they come to the horrible realization that they've swallowed LIES???

A PEOPLE UNITED CAN NEVER BE DEFEATED

[rooboy]

4. America is running out of soldiers and money.

He's going down.

[ClintonTyree]

5. They'll reinstate the draft....

and they can ALWAYS print more money. It may not be any damned good, but they can print it. Bringing back the draft will hurt their numbers, but at this point they almost have nothing to lose. Since when have they cared about public opinion anyway? :shrug:

[abluelady]

18. The Draft Might Do It

As much as so many Americans are satisfied with a liar, I think the draft will be the straw. How many of these "patriotic" Americans believe their children are safe and war is for "others."

Maybe we should be pushing to stay in Iraq as a strategy that can win for us?

[Fovea]

24. We keep praying for a magick bullet.

It will take a fusillade of magick bullets, all at once to pry the
Unified Fascist Party apart.

And they are there. Look at the widening gulf between the Xtian right, and the paleocons. Look at the gulf between the neocons and both groups.

The Refuglicans are a handgrenade with a loose pin, held in with mucilage. Wait till the rain comes. Wait for the draft, for $6/gal gas next summer (without a magick hurricane, just the invisible hand of adam smith, and the all to visible hand of Islamists in Saudi Arabia).
Wait for our own jeezuz based sharia, to bite the ass of the priviledged and the struggling alike. Wait for the private enterprise health care system to run headlong into the Asian flu.

It is all coming, and as an American poet once said, it's a hard rain gonna fall.

[Richard D]

29. To reinstate the draft for a war that is already unpopular . . .

. . . and being recognized as illegal and perhaps even a war crime would simply be the last nail in the coffin. I think you would see apathy end overnight. That is of course unless there is another major "terrorist" attack. I don't think that is likely though.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

31. Rangel is right in calling for the draf it will be the death of the GOP !!

[abluelady]

33. Don't Count out another Attack

I am sure Cheney and Rove are trying to fix that right this minute. I can't believe with Bush's numbers falling we haven't been attacked already.

[bluestateguy]

7. You are right

Same people who said that Jeff Gannon/Fuckert was the end; same people who said that the White House payoffs to columnists was the end; same people who said Ohio would flip to Kerry. It's the same crowd of people who are ready to jump on any story as being the certain end to the Bush presidency. And they are disappointed and "shocked" every single time that it doesn't materialize. Those of us who don't live San Francisco or Manhattan, and don't live, die and breathe on DU know better.

I try to tell people this and there will be some people who are just convinced that no, really, THIS IS IT and Bush is toast, blah, blah. Please. Democrats have a decent chance to win the presidency in 2008, and maybe to pick up seats in Congress in 2006, but this talk of Bush being impeached or forced to resign just shows how naive some people are about the political system.

[fujiyama]

12. Just off the top of my head

I can name just a few things, which supposedly had the "wagons circling".

Richard Clarke's testimony - here I'll admit, I too expected Bush to be hurt and at the time, I expected it to doom his reelection.

Plame "gate" - How many threads were there on this? How many claimed there would be indicetements leading to Rove and others?

Ohio and Gannon as you mentioned.

[wiggs]

39. Maybe. But if DSM gets legs, all the other past scandals will come back

After all, once you accept Iraq misdeeds you might see Plame, Medicare, Edmonds, elections, 9/11, Kerry, energy task force, Halliburton, etc in a different light.

IF.....IF DSM and all the other documents that support Iraq deception come home to roost at the White House, then it's open season on the administration.

[vi5]

9. Bingo!

I posted a simlar thread earlier (although with slightly more open ended possibilities on my part).

Although you say the 40% approval rating as thought that's not horrible, when it is. But it's the media and the fact that republicans control congress that are the main reasons he's not going to be impeached.

[emanymton]

10. There Is One Wild Card That _MAY_ Trump Your Position...

The great unknown is 'what will the young soldier who actually did the fighting in shrub's wars do?'

The pool of angry young is ever growing. The people who have had to endure the real hardships of unnecessary and illegal war could just possibly make a difference. Harness their anger at being lied to, direct their energies against those who did the lying and allow them the joys of freedom and the shrub is off to international war criminal trials in the Hague, Netherlands.

The status quo is at risk. Let us hope.



Bush Lied. People Died. Media Cheered.

[ldf]

38. love your slogan..

bush lied. people died. media cheered.



the addition of the media makes it all come into focus.


that should be on billboards all across the nation.

we should be standing in front of every network headquarters, ESPECIALLY fox and cnn, with signs saying just that.

[emanymton]

43. Go Forth. Do Great Things.

Keep the pressure on. War crimes must be stopped.



Bush lied. People died. Media cheered.

[magellan]

14. I'm on the fence

Seen too many things -- any one of which would have had Clinton crucified on the front lawn of the WH by the Republicans had he done them -- disappear down the memory hole or glossed over. Which I find frightening as it pertains to the direction of this country.

At the same time I find all these leaks of UK classified papers very energizing. I've never minded being one of the "tin foil hat" minority who never trusted Bush** or his minions...but to have proof of at least one of his crimes is immensely satisfying. It isn't possible to read these documents and excuse BushCo unless you're a dolt -- or you've forgotten that you were an American before you became a Republican.

This will open some eyes. But whether it leads to justice is entirely up to the majority party in our government, and they're just as crooked as the administration.

[Callalily]

15. Redirecting energies

is a sound idea. But remember emanymton most young people vosted Dem during the last election anyway. We must find a way to redirect everyone's energy - we must take control of the house in '06 as our first step.

[FourStarDemocrat]

16. I know..I don't know what it will take to sink that animal.

It's basically the corporations holding him up, corporate media, lobbyists, pharaucetical, diebold, oil & defense industries. Even the religious right imo does not have the power to keep him on top.

Until we can get take back MSM from the corporations, or as you said, take back the congress in'06, this will continue.

[postulater]

25. Yes, corporatism is the root

There can be no proper expression of the dreams of our founding fathers while corporatism is allowed to suppress the expression of individual freedom by controlling all phases of our collective governing agreements.

Sure the Bushes are evil. And yes the media doesn't convey the reality of events we can't experience for ourselves. But this is only allowed because we have created a state where corporations have more power than people have.

The media, the politicians, they're realizing the profits of corporatism because they are willing to prostitute themselves. They cannibalize those who are unwilling to surrender their liberty and unable to protect themselves.

Until there is a fundamental shift away from the consolidation of power in corporations we can expect more of the same, regardless of which political party is in charge and regardless of which country is the current mega-power.

[patdem]

17. When was the last time you saw two powerful men crying on national TV?

First was Voinovich regarding the Bolton nomination and this Administration; and the other was Dan Rather speaking about the press and this Administration...And NEITHER were partisan Democrats!!!!!

I think powerful people are at then end of their ropes and if there IS justice in this cruel world, someone will step forward and take this evil adminstration DOWN!

In fact there are the Wistleblowers group and if Syble Edmonds ever gets her day in the public square it could all very well come down VERY SUDDENLY!

Hope Springs Eternal! :patriot:

[LaurenG]

19. You never know

Stranger things have happened.

[tmorelli415]

20. This is about the TRUTH and Lives - Not impeachment

Our goal cannot be impeachment. That is a consequence of criminal actions and wil happen if appropriate and supported by Democrats as well as some Republicans.

This is about getting the truth whatever it may be or where ever it may lead. I don't give a rats ass about Bush as compared to the soldiers over there who ought to be home and not putting their asses on the line for lies. 1,600 dead young American men and women. 10,000 American soldiers with permanent physical dysfigurement from wounds in Iraq. How many more will die? How many more will be withotu eyes or legs or arms? THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT! And that is why I'll see it through to the end impeachment or not.

[ElectroPrincess]

21. What WILL sink Bush-Co. is the following:

I already see the signs in my home state of South Dakota given that that a** Thune did not have an effect and Elsworth AFB will shut down.

Remember, the poor and working poor folks who vote for * do (the vast majority of time) so because of RELIGIOUS beliefs. Both the Midwest and perhaps, The South, are *feeling* the effect of globalization. Further, the right wing is beginning to begrudge the farming subsidies to the Midwest.

I hope and pray that before the 2006 elections, the average farmer or hourly wage worker in both Nebraska and South Dakota will vote for DEMOCRATS - straight ticket. Now, Midwestern democrats are not progressive but they are our allies in the area of staunchly resisting Corporate Welfare and concern for the Average Working American.

Listen for that huge sucking sound signifying all the good people of the Midwest NOT voting for wedge issues but instead, voting for the politicians who will stop our jobs from being sent overseas.

Only when "the individual" is financially strapped will they fully shed their stereotypes and prejudices gleaned from years of religious programming. When people are hungry and cannot feed their families, THEN and only THEN will the people vote in their economical best interests.

Think Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. The Neo-Cons undoing will be their unabated greed for increasing money and power. The tide will turn because these monsters cannot control their selfish nature.

[Hotler]

35. BINGO! We have a winner. ding, ding, ding...

Well stated ElectroPrincess. Love the last paragraph.

[LuPeRcALiO]

36. SD got screwed

no question. The NeoCons might throw the dog a bone and keep it open, but only after exacting some kind of payback you don't even want to think about.

[rainy]

22. I think the british will finally bring bush down...

They know the war was based on lies, they kept the proof secret until after the election so the lefties could keep power, now they will destroy blair which will drag bush down with him.

[democrat in Tallahassee]

23. I disagree. the atmosphere is different now. His ratings are dropping

people are sick of the war and there is an election next year. Even the repugs are going to have to cut themselves off from this cancer. I really do believe that people have caught on. He may not be impeached but stick a fork in him, he's done.

[wiggs]

41. His ratings are always dropping.

His career is characterized by continually dropping ratings, except when puncuated by steep approval gains at times of military action.

[Malva Zebrina]

26. It is easy to be skeptical at this point

after so many horrors, so many incredible, in your face, arrogant lies and so much satanic manipulation by , not only the evil cabal that surrounds Bush, but the complicity of the evil cabal that surrounds Tony Blair.

When I think of it, it sickens me, and I mean that literally. How many human beings lost their lives on the whims of an insane pathological narcissistic and ignorant man caught in the throes of Oedipal envy? By now, the number of dead , the poor slobs wearing the uniform in Iraq, must be up to 1,700. The number of innocent Iraqi people, in the tens of thousands.

Who, in their right, moral mind, could know about these evil plans made eight months before all the manipulation began, and not shed tears of shame every night for the depravity into which they and their leaders had sunk?

What kind of people, knowing of this, continued on with the sham to save their jobs, their positions of power and how do they rationalize their complicity? I am going to assume they all are pathological sociopaths without the slightest concern for the culture of life, or any other human being on this planet. They visualize "the other" as a cardboard cut out.


Bush used our daughters and sons like he uses toilet paper. He used them , without a thought to anything that could be considered humane, as inconsequential throwaways necessary to fulfill his idea of himself as another Churchil--a tough guy who can bully anyone in the world and imo, he loves that self image. It fits him to an entitled "T" and he wears it proudly and in good political health.


Doesn't he show off Saddam's pistol to friends in the Oval office?

This just gets worse. It is a huge black snowball hurtling down a slope with nary a tree in sight to bust it up.

But, something in the spirit just can't give up yet. I sense a change, albeit small. I feel an uncomfortable stirring in Washington.

signed the Conyers petition

One of the best DSM commentaries I have read on the blogs this morning is from Juan Cole. Read it if you can


http://www.juancole.com/

[berni_mccoy]

27. Nice Reality Check

And I think the reality we are faced with here is that the MSM absolutely won't cover the story like they should. There should be nothing else on but investigative reports about the DSM and the DSM-2 when you turn on the news. But instead, they are talking about Senselessbrenner or the semantics of the language Howard Dean uses or most incredulously, Hillary's run for 08 even though it's only 05!

The media is no longer a check-and-balance for the public. That is our reality. Until there is a replacement for them, we are going to live under the rule of an organization that does not deserve to rule.

[kentuck]

28. We don't have to 'sink" him....

just cut him off at the knees.

[Toots]

32. "unless we take control of the House in '06." Those are your key words

How would you propose we do that? I suggest it will be by bringing up every bit of evidence that this Administration with the aid of Republicans in Congress have committed acts akin to treason. We need to hammer them on DSM and every other shred of evidence of wrongdoing. Such as altering the Scientific reports to read like they wish them to. You are right Bush* will not be impeached by the current Congress but the more shit comes out the better our chances of retaking Congress and then no telling what may happen.

[Gregorian]

34. And that doesn't even include pardons.

But it's still better than looking at his stupid smirk, and feeling hopeless. At least we count, now.
And maybe, just maybe, we'll get this bit of satisfaction-

[Singular73]

40. Of course...

I've said this all along.

The best you can hope for is for the DSM, etc... to get us some seats in 06.

There won't be an impeachment folks..unless something else comes out...the DSM&gang won't do it.

[candy331]

42. I Disagree, the old saying "darkest before dawn" is fastly taking

place. "Keep Hope Alive" now is no time to give in to despair, life boats are being put in the water. What will finally bring the dawn no one really knows and we all must wait. The boy crying wolf at every turn is not the answer, just keep in hopeful expectation please, because the real wolf will show up. * is a loser, his past bears it out and "his false God has abandoned him. Hang in there, quit jumping on every cry of "toast" when bread is toasted it pops out the toaster.