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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:07 AM
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Poll question: What is our Job One?
There are many jobs involved in our fight to take our country back. Which one do you think should be our very highest priority?

If you pick 'other', please elaborate.
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:10 AM
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1. Get us out of IraqNam
This issue affects most of the others. It is a drain on the economy, takes a credible threat of force away from hostile nations like Iran, and keeps the discussion away from issues where Democrats poll better like education and health care.
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:16 AM
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2. PAPER Ballots, Not VAPOR Ballots - n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:19 AM
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3. All are worthy endeavors, but I selected the media option because
without an independent media, we cannot get the word out about the other issues/problems and solutions.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:17 PM
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11. I agree with you
In my mind, this **is** job one. Imagine how people would know about the BBV issues if there was a press to report on them. Imagine how so much this cabal has done would be common knowledge if only there were independent, honest news sources.

Yup, this is job one.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:28 AM
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4. we need a majority in 2006 so that we can make moves
to get everything else sorted out. after the Impeachments of course.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:38 AM
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5. Get the criminal cabal out of Iraq,
preferably via impeachment, and perhaps many other issues will get closer to resolution.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:44 AM
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6. Get back that damn senate.
Enough damage has been done to the judiciary already. Imagine the horror if John Paul Stevens were to drop dead tomorrow, having his replacement named by the Chimp!

:scared:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:46 AM
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7. Get our message to the voters that resonate
and then everything will fall into place

We have let Karl Rove and company defined the agenda as a social one: abortion and gay marriage. That was his goal for 2008 to get more "church goers" to the polls. We were blindsided by it, or just ignored it. In one of the rallies the speaker said that "Bush got all the votes that he could get back in 2004." Obviously he was wrong.

It was posted here several times that most voters do support the Democratic agenda, they just don't know it.

Our goal, therefor, is to make sure that they know. And if this means talking in the "me Tarzan, you Jane" style, in a sixth grade level, so be it.

And we need to talk positive - this is what we are going to do - not negative painting the Republicans as the bogey man, at least not only. I think that this is what Dean is doing. This rallies the troops but not the "moderate" voters.

For example - electing anti-choice candidates - I suppose this would be OK as long as they acknowledge that they accept the law of the land which now is Roe vs. Wade.

Accepting candidates, and voters who follow the "what would Jesus do" as long as they do this in their private life, acknowledging that our Constitution mandates the separation of state and church.

And we can even approach these issues with a positive approach: the way to prevent abortion is by educating people about birth control, about encouraging adoption by tax incentives, not by just preaching. By making sex education part of the school curriculum.

As for "what would Jesus do" - taking care of the poor and the underdogs, of course.

And once we acknowledge the social issues and done with them, we can approach the real ones - security of health care, of jobs and of retirement.

But we always have to keep our eyes on those non-issues that Rove and company will lob at us. Yes, Kerry tried to concentrate on the issues while ignoring the Swifters. By the time he did, it was too late.

Kerry professed his "personal" objection to abortion, but did not address it head on with alternatives, or even with the Clinton's "rare, safe and legal."
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:49 AM
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8. It's not an issue of no electronic voting, it's about it being VERIFIABLE
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 11:49 AM by PurityOfEssence
Couching it in terms of "nothing but paper" brings up too many red-herring arguments and quibbling. There are ways to make electronic voting verifiable, and here's the easiest: to still keep the balloting private, you punch all your choices into the computer, and it spits out a slip saying thank you, voter 1,000,003; here are your choices. You take that slip home. Random testing is ALWAYS a step in tabulation, and should there be a recount, people can show up with their slips to verify the voting. I'm sure there are other and better ways, but something along these lines should work.

Regardless, making voting untamperable is THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE FACING US. It's more important than Iraq, Syria, Iran, Christofascism, destruction of the working class, rescinding of civil rights, control of the media or anything else.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:18 PM
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12. Well said
How about BBV with a verifiable trail, and with the machinery and software owned and controlled by the government!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:55 AM
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9. I think my very first post on DU was about BBV
Even though I'm Canadian, I see this a fundamental threat to democracy and the concept of a secret ballot.
And I'm constantly amazed to see so little interest in the subject when the numbers indicate that something fishy is happening.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 12:12 PM
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10. protect women and children, they are the most important assets
getting down to the tribal level, it is "protect the breeders" because they are what allows the society to continue.

if this basic principle is used as a cornerstone of social action it cascades into almost all other areas of society.

so, how do we deal with the problems of continuing our society?
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:28 PM
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13. All of the above need to be done.
But nothing will happen to the media until a majority in congress passes regulation of those bastards. And elected secretaries of state would probably have to be done as a ballot measure in individual states. Which brings us back to voting. As long as electro-fraud voting exists, the rest is unlikely.
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