Christians can now be compared to Nazis, without argument

[BOSSHOG]

A spokesman for the christian coalition says Homosexuals should wear warning labels. hitler had homosexuals tatooed. The comparisons continue to roll in.

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/06/061305pride.htm

Eventually one of the groups fascist spokesman will say he was taken out of context or he really didn't mean it or that he doesn't speak for the majority of the haters. Too late now ..

No word on the coalition about the divorce, spousal abuse and incest rates amongst christian famies in this country. So much easier to trample on a supposed easy target then clean up your own house.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

1. Luckily

fundies don't need a badge or a tattoo to be identified. The persistent stench of shit emanating from their heads gives them away from a distance.

[Caution]

2. No, the spokesman for the Christian Coalition

can be compared. Christians cannot. Frankly your characterization is completely absurd, and I say this as an atheist who has many problems with Christianity.

[BOSSHOG]

3. When we have christians being instructed from the pulpit

and voting as they are instructed and indoctrinating their kids on who to hate and who to boycott I guess we just sit back and say oh well they are just following orders. What is absurd is attempting to destroy the constitution and replace it with the bible. You can just sit back and let it happen. I'm sure some christian "spokesmen" will eventually have a label for you and his army will be more than accomodating to put it on. How might I characterize then?

[Telly Savalas]

8. "Christians" with scare quotes is a good means of making clear...

who you are talking about.

These people are Christians, and to call them homophobic Nazis would be pretty dumb.

[Pacifist Patriot]

33. *sigh*

I really hope you take the time to read through the links I provided below. These idiot fundies are louder, but by no means stronger.

[geckosfeet]

5. When this kind of rhetoric is tolerated, at any level, in any form

we provide complicit acceptance. It emboldens the Xian leadership to take the next step. That may be lobbying local politicians, school boards, making hate speeches in church to congregations. Note Fred Phelps.

Leadership does not speak out like this in a vacuum. They have support and are looking to rally the fringe and frighten their enemies.

I am sorry but I cannot agree with you. There are enough people who feel exactly like the spokesman who made the statement to make this a serious concern for our country. At some point you have to take a stand.

[faithnotgreed]

16. thank you caution. i dont understand why "we" keep calling them Christians

Christ does not hate. period
as ive said multiple times here

they are not remotely followers of Christ. please lets not call them that

and thank you for pointing out that the leader of the coalition can be possibly compared but that is where it should end

[BayouBengal07]

4. This is sick

The pink triangle that has become the homosexual symbol was once the tag the Nazi party made gay prison camp members wear (like the star of david for Jews and the red triangle for political prisoners). This is no different.

David Duke campaigned promising to force AIDS carriers to get glow in the dark tattoos to keep from sex. Same idea.

[area51]

6. Please qualify.

Some Christians.

[BOSSHOG]

9. I choose not to qualify

because if there are christians who do not agree with the religious rights stands on issues then they should rise up and condemn said spokesmen loudly and often. The christian coalition does not qualify, why should I?

[gratuitous]

17. Gee . . .

We're a bit busy here, housing the homeless, feeding the hungry and visiting the sick and imprisoned. We'll be marching in the Gay Pride Parade this weekend, along with folks from about 40 other congregations, walking (literally) right down Broadway under our church's banner.

In defiance of our denomination's shameful policy adopted in 2002 we have a gay pastor and are working every day with other congregations in our District to teach them about not mere tolerance, but the active and full inclusion of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered and intersexed persons in their congregational life.

Sorry we in Oregon don't have more time and more people to deal with the New York Christian Coalition as you'd like. Please accept our invitation to get down in the trenches with us.

[Pacifist Patriot]

32. So let me get this straight.

You're letting the Christian Coalition determine your behavior? That seems rather odd given your obvious disdain for them. Perhaps this will make you feel better.

The Interfaith Alliance has Christian members who release statements in opposition of fundamentalist extremism.

Bishop Spong routinely speaks out against Falwell and ilk.

http://trisagionseraph.tripod.com/christiansagainstbush.html

Check out what the National Council of Churches has been up to.

http://www.ncccusa.org/

Don't let someone else's intolerance lead to yours. We're all stronger than that.

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[BOSSHOG]

10. Thanks for proving my point

I knew there would be an apologist pop up eventually. So please share with us the love and kindness that the christian coalition offers homosexuals in America. What is the next step after labels? Gas chambers? It must really suck being you. May I suggest that if you are of age that you head for the nearest Army recruiting office and exchange your ribbon magnet for a rifle.

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[AuntPatsy]

19. LOL, you can't be serious that there is any doubt that gays are

persecuted in this country on a daily basis by the christian congregations....

You need help, sit a spell, read and learn the truth, perhaps the truth will set you free from your ignorance.

[pnb]

22. Gays certainly put up with too much crap

But does that change the fact that the initial post may not have been a true one?

[AuntPatsy]

26. What is untrue?

[pnb]

27. The comment in the original post

"A spokesman for the christian coalition says Homosexuals should wear warning labels."

I'm not trying to say that these people love homosexuals but it does seem that the above comment was never made and this comment does seem to be the one that the entire post revolved around.

[AuntPatsy]

28. It has yet to be proven that it was not made, frankly, I have heard

such talk from other people, therefore it is not such a stretch to believe that the above post is valid.

[pnb]

29. Just read the article that was linked

No where, other than the headline does that comment appear, including the actual quotes of the reverand.

They are ignorant as all hell but he didn't say homosexuals should wear warning labels. There is nothing to disprove.

[Beetwasher]

21. You're An Idiot

Can gays get married anywhere they want in this country? No? Then they are persecuted, dumbass. Proof right there. They don't have the same rights as heteros and that equals persecution. Go back to your hole you dumbfuck.

[Richard Steele]

11. "he's drawing a comparison between smoking and homosexuality"

Enjoy your stay at DU, jmch!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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[Richard Steele]

20. Ok, if you insist. Not the "deleting truth" part, just the reporting.

Quote:
"Delete the truth! The lie is so much more comfortable and gets much more mileage. After all, that's what your patron saints Dean and Clinton have proven."

[AntiCoup2K4]

24. Not to get off topic, but...

The fear you Busheep have of Howard Dean is blatantly obvious. Enjoy your short visit, homophobic piece of shit :)

[LondonReign2]

25. As soon as you start speaking truth we'll listen

But so long as you claim homosexuals are not discriminated against, well...have a short stay and return to your previously accepted site of stupidity.

[tritsofme]

12. How fucking ridiculous you are

I am a Christian, and these people do not speak for me.

If some wacko non-Christian said something similar about Christians, would that make all non-Christians the same as nazis?

[leyton]

14. Pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?

Your willingness to stereotype 2 billion people based on a few nutjobs makes me think you don't have any business denouncing even anti-gay activists.

[Kellanved]

18. "without argument" ?

Sorry, but are you trying to speak "ex cathedra" or something? Who made you pope?

And why do you stop so early? Just consider: Christians are also breathing - just like the Nazis did during their time; there are countless similarities.

No thanks, my friend. I'll keep my right to argument anything. Especially the endless stream of inappropriate "Nazi comparisons".
A case based on a few dickheads won't fly. Especially not such a blanket statement.




:hi: He definitely seems to be a dickhead, though.

[Richard Steele]

23. I agree...

All we can really say is THIS Dickhead can be compared to the Nazis without arguement.

I have no problem with REAL Christians.

[Douglas Carpenter]

30. I am a secularist--but I would not say Christians--but definitely Fundies

O8)

I think we should be careful not to alienate--Christians of good will or Muslims of good will, or Jews of Good will or Buddhists of good will etc and etc

[zulchzulu]

31. Why lump ALL Christians with a few assholes?

Very sloppy and judgemental. There are plenty of progressive Christians out there that don't deserve this bullshit labeling.

It is very counter-productive to throw this kind of drivel out there. Yes, there are some that proclaim themselves to be "Christians" that cherry-pick Leviticus quotes to spew their hate about gays.

They also usually forget to mention Leviticus 20:10, which commands that all those that commit adultery to be stoned to death.

Let's ignore these twerps...they demand us give them attention...and like any psychopath crying out for attention...don't feed them anything.

[Toots]

34. A quote by Eleanor Roosevelt that seems pretty apt

"Long ago, there was a noble word, LIBERAL, which derived from the word FREE . Now a strange thing happened to that word. A man named Hitler made it a term of abuse, a matter of suspicion, because those who were not with him were against him, and liberals had no use for Hitler."

[Igel]

35. Eventually somebody has to just point out facts.

(1) "The leader of a conservative Christian lobby group appears to suggest that gays should be required to wear warning labels, although he denies that was his intention."

"Appears to suggest" ... so we have an inference, maybe an implication. Which is considerably weaker than the quote needed to justify claiming he "said" that gays should be required to wear labels. So, ok, offensive, maybe weaselly, but not quite as claimed. It would be more offensive if it were the only plausible inference, but it's not. It's just the preferred inference ... others are less offensive, and therefore less preferred. Apparently.

(2) Hitler had gays tatooed, and forced them to wear labels before having them slaughtered while imprisoned.

At best, this guy--not representative of all Xians, but of himself, if the inference is correct--wants gays to wear labels. He's entitled to say whatever nonsense he wants. Now if he actually *does* act like Hitler, rounding up gays and killing them off, *then* I'll go for your comparison. This guy pales in comparison to the Taliban, even.

OK, it's not as bad as saying, "Martha Stewart's no different from Hitler! They both call for soup spoons to be served with soup!" Still, there really is room to wedge him in between Hitler and a perfectly compassion, egalitarian society.

[Moderator]

36. Locking

flamebait and broad brush attack on Christians.