Dean Says Dem Report On Election Fraud Coming Out &We'll Be Ready For 06

[KittyWampus]

Just reporting something from fellow DU'er GettysbergII who went to Rainbow PUSH Town Hall meeting where Dean spoke.

This is the first time I've felt as hopeful about 06 in a while. Perhaps Dean & Democrats ARE on top of Election Fraud.

PLEASE read down to last 2 paragraphs and thanks to GettsbergII.


GettysbergII (546 posts) Mon Jun-13-05 02:17 AM
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74. My wife and I were at there at the Sunday morning Rainbow PUSH Town Hall


Meeting and while Dean certainly did make those witty statements there was a lot more 'meat' to the meeting than just Dean cracking wise to Faux News ass lickers. Here's a few other nuggats that went unreported.

Jesse Jackson Jr did a wonderful job of historically framing the case and the need to not only renew the Voting Rights Act of 1965 but to also enact a constitutional amendment legalizing our right to vote so there will be legal grounds to contest future elections as he pointed out there surely will be a need to and that this will be a battle that will go on every election year. He also stated he was sick of hearing "old folks" recalling the hard fought civil rights battles won in the past when they needed to get off their asses and start fighting the ones in the present. Eternal vigilance is what's called for. He also stated it time to stop supporting Democrats that vote like Republicans. He was actually the most commanding speaker there.

Jesse Jackson Sr came up with a delightful metaphor about the two party system comparing it to the two tracks of L ( Chicago subway) but that its the third rail that we're always told to watch out for that provides the juice to run the train. In keeping with this the next ten PUSH programs will deal with constitutional issues. Of course at the start of the press conference he lapsed into his used car salesman persona, shamelessly waving his son's new book at the cameras (with a big picture of of Jr on the cover) throughout his introductory speech.

The most important statement I believe Dean made was to tell us to be prepared for a bombshell of a report the Democrats should be releasing in the next 10 days or so that documents the widespread voter suppression and fraud last November in Ohio particularly and the country in general.

Many other very astute voter rights advocates participated on the panel pretty much echoing the complaints and remedies you'd find here at DU in the 2004 Election Results and Discussion section (sans the Exit Poll stuff) including castgating Kerry for not challenging the vote ('pre-emptive surrender'as Penda Hair of the Advancement Project called it)and outrage at the paperless trail and rightwing owned voting machines. Dean assured everyone that the Democrats will be ready for a serious legal tussle if necesary in 2006.

[oldtime dfl_er]

1. Is this for real?

God, I hope so.

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby.24202078

[KittyWampus]

3. The post seems authentic. It'd be great to get some confirmation from

any other DU'ers who were there.

[MelissaB]

27. Here is where it came from:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1543516&mesg_id=1543997&page=

and here in ER&D: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x377678

[Guaranteed]

2. OH boy. Here it comes.

Dean delivering the goods.

[seabeyond]

4. yes yEs yeS YEs YES

let it be true. the first time i am actually hopeful, in reading your title. yet reading the whole post, not as elated, lol more a wait and see kinda feel.

but thank you. 10 or more days isnt nearly the wait as a couple days before election to be talking about this

[warbly]

6. Election reform is the main reason

i supported Dean for the chair. I know he knows what the vulnerablities are with e voting, and i hoped he would tackle the issue. This is good news as it is the first i've heard form him on the issue since he became chairman. This is the #1 issue for Democrats, clean elections, whether they know it or not.

[seabeyond]

7. over a month ago

i was talking to someone at dnc and they wanted money. i told them i wouldnt waste my money if they did nothing about the theft. i said, they stole it you know. nonchalantly, matter of fact she replied, of course they did.

that was my first clue in that maybe they were doing something. gave me hope then.

[faithnotgreed]

11. right you are warbly

[Arugula Latte]

15. Welcome to DU, warbly!

:toast: :hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

21. Yes

all the way! I remember at that meeting where Dean became chairman he wanted to keep the same people on and work with them. :D So I'm excited about this!

[babylonsister]

5. Nominating w/eternal optimism! I don't think

Dr. Dean would say this unless he had info to back it up. I'm forever hopeful...

[dalloway]

10. I'll second that eternal optimism! I've been disappointed repeatedly

since Jan. 6th.

I'm ready to NOT be disappointed.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. Right

I agree. Dean wouldn't purposley do something without having the goods. He knows how the game is played.

[peacebuzzard]

8. That would truly snap me out of a lengthy wistful depression

that I have had since 2000.

[KittyWampus]

9. It Seems Almost Too Impossible To Really Hope. But They've GOT

to come up with a stragegy.

[feelthebreeze]

12. Still waiting for confirmation on this...

Unable to find any credible sources for this revelation. Please keep your eyebrow raised until you hear more evidence of this monumental occurence.
Cryinshame, how about a link so we can see this for ourselves? It would be great if it was part of your origional post

[feelthebreeze]

14. P.S. no ofence to you cryin, thanks for the updates...

Just wish we could get more credible info. There are alot of people who will be stressed with anticipation. Alot of work has gone into just this event if it is true.

[KittyWampus]

16. Here's Link To GettysburgII's Original Post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1543516#1543997

The post seems credible and we do know that Dean takes the issue of Election Fraud seriously.

[FreedomAngel82]

24. I wish

Dean could go on BradBlog and talk about this. Is there a way for that to happen? Or on Rhandi Rhodes or something?

[mandyky]

13. For anyone who missed the DNC forum Sat AM

They covered voting reform. Dean has assigned a council of Legal people to get voting reform on state referendums in 05 and 06. He eluded to investigations in Ohio. I hope they break this wide open!

[wallwriter]

17. The Dems need to slam those fraudulent Repuke bastards.

So many of the Repukes have been involved in voter suppression and voter fraud, it boggles my mind. There was a high level official in PA (someone in the State Legislature, but I forget who) who actually said publically that they needed to keep the African American vote low. Then there is Diebold. Then there is Uncle Tom Kenneth Blackwell in Ohio. It boggles the mind. Some of these bastards need to go to jail, and the whole system needs to be fixed.

[dusty64]

18. The suppression was easy to see,

but unfortunately until they address the secret paperless "voting" machines run by some very scary extremists this isn't gonna make much of a difference. I hate to remind, but we were promised a big fight against this crap last year and look at the mess we're in now. Don't get me wrong, Dean is my guy and I hope he can do something about this horrible problem.

[Clark2008]

44. I always use the suppression to get people interested in the issue.

Many people do not want to believe that their government would actively participate in out-and-out fraud. They don't want to believe that voting machines, owned by Republican operatives, would NOT count their vote - it just goes against their sensibilities.

However, they WILL believe, on the off-set, that there was voter suppression because most people know that racism is still alive and, unfortunately, well in this country.

I've found that if you get them hooked on this issue, they begin to broaden their minds and, the more they read, the looser their mental restrictions become toward the issue of fraud - of using technology to vote-fix.

However, I will tell you that I work around a lot of technical people who will believe, from the get-go, that paperless voting machines are a detriment to democracy because they know that it can easily be manipulated.

We have to tailor our concerns to our audience to increase knowledge of what happened in 2004.

[Adelante]

19. Wow, this would be something

Fingers crossed this is confirmed. Thanks, Cryingshame.

[FreedomAngel82]

20. Wow

I can't wait for this bomb shell! This should be really good. Dean should go on BradBlog. Is there a way to do that? He does a lot with election reform. I'm very curious now as to what is said. Hmm.

[Turn CO Blue]

23. Related thread...

Dean talked alot at the last DNC meeting on Sunday of voting and election reform and announced the National Lawyers Council of 17,000+ lawyers that DNC is forming to work on the election issue:


See this related thread of Carolab's:
DNC announces National Lawyers Council for election reform
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=377176&mesg_id=377176>

He also said that DNC is also seeking volunteers to work on the Council (lawyers, law students and paralegals), and those will also be available at the polls and on phones during the 2006 election.

[FreedomAngel82]

25. This is going to be great!

I can't wait!!

[blm]

26. That's good to hear, because that's what I always expected to come down.

One thing about those dumping on Kerry, though. The press would have been squarely in Bush's corner as the perceived popular vote getter, and if Kerry challenged WITHOUT the evidence in hand, the GOP would have made certain to destroy whatever evidence was needed as quickly as they could and the press would've spent the time covering for the poor, unfairly maligned Bush campaign.

It was likely much easier to gather the evidence the investigation did accrue BECAUSE Kerry wasn't challenging the result.

After what he endured in IranContra and BCCI, does anyone really believe Kerry would have conceded if he had the hard evidence he needed to mount the challenge?

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Exactly!

I at first was upset and disappointed but then I remembered what happened with Gore. This time SO much more got done!

[blm]

47. Gore was being killed by the media hourly, even WITH the popular vote.

We alsways have to factor in the fascist agenda of the corporate media. I just hope the DNC exposes that agenda before the next election.

[gordianot]

28. I'm really worried. 3 weeks straight and I find myself agreeing with Dean

(all the time) Thought maybe he should have planned his statements better at one time but hey I was wrong. This guy says what I want to hear.

Does this mean I am sliding slightly to the left or am I just wising up?

[feelthebreeze]

29. ummmm...yes.

[gordianot]

31. I have to thank Barak Obama. He convinced me Dean is right.

Also anyone who pisses off Biden is alright with me.:kick:

[slay]

32. Republicans have demonized liberals for years

Republicans make people play by their rules. For some stupid reason the Democrats used to think that was ok (guess it lined their pockets well enough). It is going to take years to undo the brainwashing that the Republicans and the media have done to the average american. Liberals are great - they stand for FREEDOM and LIBERTY. Howard Dean, however, is not a typical liberal - he's really more of a pissed off true centrist. Perhaps you're just wising up - in regards to accepting Dean as the right man for the job. We all have alot of Republican brainwashing we need to clear from our heads ASAP.

[gordianot]

37. Over a lifetime I have slid to left of center.

I think there needs to be some planning so am going left. I think you are right like Dean I am pissed off.

[PurityOfEssence]

30. It's the most important issue for the human race

Are we to let the profit motive trample everything? Is proprietary source code so important that its usage can't be disputed, even when it affects the expressed will of the voters?

Profit is more important than life to the ugly.

Fair expression of opinion through the balloting is the sacred covenant of non-assholes. Those who laugh at irregularities are DEEPLY ANTI-AMERICAN PRICKS.

Those who revel in aristocracy hate voting, and sneer at the inability of the downtrodden to get their opinions heard. Remember the '02 gubernatorial primary in Florida where deliberate obfuscation messed with the results? Jeb Bush's line was: "what is this problem Democrats have with voting?" This should be thrown in his face, in public, for the rest of his life.

Making voting verifiable is the greatest issue before us.

[KoKo]

34. Thanks for some upbeat news about Voter Rights...

:yourock: Need to hear something postitive after all the work so many folks all over the US and here on DU have done to expose what's gone on not only in this election but the Mid-Terms and we all know about "Selection 2000."

It would be so good to have Dems finally address this.

:yourock:

[sellitman]

35. Dean was my first choice and he is proving me right ...EVERYDAY!!

Yeeaarrgghh!

Yeeaarrgghh!

Yeeaarrgghh!

[lostnfound]

36. A politician capable of independent thought!

Go Dean!!

He gets himself in hot water enough that he makes me think I can trust him, if you know what I mean.

[skooooo]

38. Dean will fuck your shit up!!!!!!!

:yourock:

[Cha]

40. That cracks me up!

:yourock: Rude Pundit! :hi:

[KingFlorez]

39. Go Dean!

[Nothing Without Hope]

41. Great news! But we ALSO MUST DEFEAT H.R. 1316 - the "Fat-Cat bill":

It just came out of committee into the full House and it is the most brazen piece of corruption you have ever seen. We can say goodbye to all non-bought elections in the future if this horror is allowed to become law. Read about it here, both the opening post and within the thread. (I'll be posting again in the next day or two - this is NOT getting the attention it has to have!)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1847357
Thread title: Email your Reps to STOP H.R. 1316, the "Make Congress More Corrupt" Bill

But it's not just emailing Reps that is needed - it's also media-blasting and going to the public. This thing CANNOT be allowed to make total corruption of our election process legal.

[snot]

42. ATTN DEAN ET AL.: CONSIDER LEAKING TO JON STEWART & OTHER

select outlets, like William Pitt, Brad Friedman (Brad Blog), Bob Koehler, Greg Palast, Bob Fitrakis, et al. On the right day, like a Monday. Could help create serious buzz, while rewarding outlets who have actually done their job during the last year.

I hope to heck they really are ready. I've been ready for a year and am starting to feel I'm in a time warp, living in a future where no one in the present can hear me.

[GettysbergII]

43. For two days Rainbow Push presented one significant figure after another

talking about voting problems. Here was the schedule for Saturday and Sunday and while they shuffled a speaker or two from Saturday to Sunday or vice versa, almost all the scheduled particpants showed up.

Reunion Saturday
RainbowPUSH Headquarters
930 E. 50th Street
Chicago, IL 60615

Morning Broadcast
9:30a – 11:30a Reunion Saturday
The Voting Rights Challenge of Our Time
Moderator: Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr.
Panelists: Howard Dean, DNC; David Mack, South Carolina State Legislative Black Caucus; Stan Watson, Georgia State Legislative Black Caucus; Cong. John Conyers; Cong. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones; Cong. Jesse Jackson, Jr.; Barbara Arnwine, Lawyers Committee on Civil Rights, John Sweeney, AFLCIO
Featuring: Kids from Greenville, South Carolina (chapter of the year), Rainbow PUSH Reunion Choir

1:00p – 3:00p Schemes of Disenfranchisement
This session will include a candid discussion regarding the voting schemes that took place in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004, and proposed legislation to counter the schemes.
Moderator: Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr.
Panelists: Marc Morial, Urban League; Ted Shaw, NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund; Bob Fitrakis, Columbus Free Press; Maya Harris, ACLU-No. California; Penda Hair or Eddie Hailes, Advancement Project; David Mack, South Carolina State Legislative Black Caucus; Stan Watson, Georgia State Legislative Black Caucus, Holli Holiday, ACORN

Sunday, June 12th
The Progressive Democratic Agenda and Federally Protected Right to Vote – HJ Res 28
Political Leadership Summit
Rainbow/PUSH Headquarters
930 E. 50th Street
Chicago, IL 60615

The Progressive Democratic Agenda and Federally Protected Right to Vote – HJ Res 28

The Voting Rights Act signed in August 1965 by President Johnson is one of the nation’s most important civil and human rights victories leading to political empowerment and voter enfranchisement. But today, the Voting Rights Act is threatened. Key provisions of the Voting Rights Act will expire in August 2007 unless Congress acts to reauthorize them. Efforts are already underway to undermine or eliminate the Act by proposing that it become “permanent” or “nationwide.” While sounding good, this will make the Voting Rights Act vulnerable to challenge by those who want to undermine it. We must demand that President Bush and the Congress declare their public support for REAUTHORIZING THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT and its enforcement provisions. The RAINBOW PUSH COALITION and allied organizations are forging a COALITION OF CONSCIENCE to March and Rally in AUGUST 2005 to commemorate the 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND MOBILIZE TO WIN ITS EXTENSION IN 2007. Make EVERY VOTE COUNT, AND DEMAND THAT EVERY VOTE BE COUNTED. Let this be the season of a new Pro-Democracy Movement in America. - Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr.

AMERICANS DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE IN THEIR CONSTITUTION and CONGRESS DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY CONSTITUTIONALLY TO ESTABLISH A UNITARY VOTING SYSTEM.

Voting in the United States is a “state right” – 50 states, 3,067 counties and 13,000 different jurisdictions, ALL SEPARATE AND UNEQUAL. Only a constitutional amendment would give every American an individual affirmative citizenship right to vote. According to a joint study by Cal-Tech and MIT, somewhere between four and six million votes were not counted in 2000 because many states had problems similar to what occurred in Florida. A state right is NOT an American citizenship right, but a right defined and protected by each state - and limited to that state. Therefore, when it comes to voting, each state, county and election jurisdiction is different.

One-hundred-and-eight of the 119 nations in the world that elect their public officials in some democratic manner have the right to vote in their Constitution - including the Afghan Constitution and the interim document in Iraq. The United States is one of the 11 that don't!

“The Bible says if you build a house on sand, when it rains, the winds blow and the storms come it will not stand. Our voting system is built on the sand of "states' rights."
- Congressman Jesse L. Jackson, Jr.

Morning Session I
10:00a – 12:00p Town Hall Meeting - Reauthorizing the 1965 Voting Rights Act & The Federally Protected, Constitutional Right to Vote – HJ Res 28
This session will consist of strategies to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act, its key provisions, and mobilization efforts for a national rally, August 6, 2005 in Atlanta. Make EVERY VOTE COUNT, AND DEMAND THAT EVERY VOTE BE COUNTED. Let this be the season of a new Pro-Democracy Movement in America. This session is also designed to exmaine the pros and cons of the voting rights amendment.
Moderator: Tavis Smiley
Panelists: Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr.; Alex Keyssar, Harvard University; Jamin Raskin, American University’s Washington College of Law; Jon Bonifaz, National Voting Rights Institute; Lani Guinier; Wade Henderson.

The Republicans right wing is pulling a full court press to infiltrate, co-opt divide the African American community politically, religiously and educationally. For example:

http://blackcommentator.com/138/138_cover_cbc_clones.html

Historically, most vote fraud has been perpetrated against African Americans, particularly poor African Americans. I believe the rightwing counts on continuing this trend and thus the perfect wedge issue to expose the Repulican agenda and its bought African American leadership is the voting rights issue. How can the Republicans claim to have the poor African Americans best interest at heart and want to deny them their right to vote at the same time?

Both Dean and the progressive Black Caucus members understand this. So beyond the sheer necessity of restoring fair elections, vote fraud/vote suppression will be the mother of all wedge issues for progressives in 2006 and 2008. Democrats need to make the case for right wing vote fraud loud and often. Quite frankly everytime its brought up it puts political currency in the bank.

[KittyWampus]

46. Thanks For All Your Efforts Gettysburg, Your Report Has Given Us All

lots of hope.

[sendero]

45. Just when you thought Dean couldn't get any better...

.... he does.

Look out pukes, your free ride is fucking over :)

[AX10]

48. Is this for sure? Will we have the resources to fight the Pubs....

in 06'?