Kerry can CLOBBER Bush!

[Octafish]

And that's good enough reason for me to support the guy. Other Kerry supporters like the guy because he is a calm, tough thinker. Rove hates the guy because Kerry would beat George Bush like a cheap drum.

That's just my 2 cents. Most importantly: Please, add your thoughts why you support John Kerry for President.

Forgive the poor prose and obtuse linkage, but I've been up to my eight Octopus armpits in work of late. However, to get things going and to help others understand my perspective, I submit the following:


Go John Kerry!

1. John Kerry wants to take out Bush Organized Crime Family as much as I do, which is almost as much as ANYONE who can remember back to November 22, 1963.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=550847

http://www.american-buddha.com/mystery.death.htm

2. Kerry is able to do it, willing to do it and in a position to do it. He's also said he's going to go after them, saying he will appoint an HONEST ATTORNEY GENERAL. Kenny Boy Lay is going to look good in prison jumpsuit orange. So will George W. Bush.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=289526

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=377323

3. Kerry has a track record of going after the BFEE — from BCCI to Iran-Contra to Ollie North & Contra Drug Running — while in the US Senate. He's the kind of President who would get to the bottom of 9-11, Plame-gate, the missing Pentagon trillions and all the rest the BFEE has committed. Then, Kerry would see these gangsters put in jail.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/

http://www.conspire.com/drugscia2.html

4. From Day 1, Kerry would know what to do as President and as Commander-in-Chief. Remember, as far as combat goes: Kerry’s been-there, done-that. He received the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts for bravery in combat. Who better to lead the nation in an ever more perilous world?

http://www.twa800.com/news/kerry-9-11-01.htm

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2003_1207a.html

5. Kerry’s the last real Liberal since Bobby Kennedy who has the “Credentials” needed to attract voters from the middle and, thus, win the Presidency. Who knows what he can do, given the chance, for our nation? From health care and jobs to public education and the state of our cities, JK knows what he's doing. Given the facts, I think the majority of all voters would feel the same way.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2003_0917a.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=262154

My fave: GOOGLE Kerry + Ollie North and/or Iran-Contra and/or BCCI and/or CIA drugs and/or Adnan Khashoggi and you’ll see the guy is a fighter on the side of good. Toss in Richard Nixon and/or Charles Colson and/or James R Bath for info's sake. The facts also might convince you that Kerry is qualified to do an outstanding job as President.

Consider: As a Liberal Democrat, Kerry would use the office of President to make this a better country for ALL citizens, doing all possible to improve public education, make higher education accessible to all who want to go to college, improve the economy and protect the environment.

His entire career, Kerry has seen and demonstrated what government can do to protect the environment, improve the quality of life of all citizens, and make the country a better place through public service. Would that all so capable were so selfless. This world would be a far better place, too.

— Octafish

[Walt Starr]

1. My opinion

I believe Kerry would lose in aworse debacle than Mondale in '84.

[Strelnikov_]

3. Clark is the one candidate

. . that I feel can beat Bush. The only place Rove has a chance to stop him is in the primary, and it has become painfully apparent that this is their strategy. How are they going to use "he voted Republican" in the GE?

Sure, Kerry's leadership in the opposition to the Vietnam War counts for me, probably counts for nearly all of the people posting on this board. Problem is, in the GE, we don't count. The 10% swing in the middle count. How do you think this 10% will respond to Rove's ads featuring Kerry w/ Hanoi Jane (what they will call her, not me), Kerry as a NE liberal, more liberal than, god forbid, TED KENNEDY. I think I know how they will respond, and that is what scares me about a Kerry candidacy.

After the way he, and some in the Democratic establishment, have disgraced Clark, an American who has put it on the line for this country for 30+ years, I will be holding my nose when I vote for Kerry in November. If Clark does drop out, I will throw all of my remaining resources to an Edwards candidacy, that is, until he goes negative against the other Dem candidates.

Again, I have no problem with Kerry's history or record. But, if we want to defeat the current administration, we must think strategically, since all of the cards are going to be stacked against us. The thing we do control (to a point, apparently) is to choose the candidate who has the best chance of winning in November, and for me that candidate is Wesley Clark.

[Octafish]

7. The General's a good guy, too.

If Wes Clark is the nominee, he has my full support -- as would any Democrat. John Kerry, I know, feels the same way. In every speech I've heard or read, Kerry has supported Gen. Clark and called him an outstanding American and a personal friend.

Regarding "Hanoi Jane." Sure, Kerry fought like hell to end the war in Vietnam. He had reason to, having lost six close friends there, including a best friend from college.

Kerry also is a war hero. He saved men under fire. He led men under fire. He never lost a command or a man under his command, either. Three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star with Combat "V," and a Silver Star. Those are facts respected by ALL good Americans.

BTW: One more important point: A hearty welcome to DU, loindelrio!

[schultzee]

17. Any of them looks terrific compared to that corrupt Corporatist!

And I will vote for any democrat who gets the nomination.

[Octafish]

4. So your vote is "transferable" to a few Dems?

Great. If all people thought like you, it would be four more years of Bush. I'm glad not all people think like you. Those are called "Democrats" and they support the nominee, whether it's Al Sharpton or John Kerry.

[Kipepeo]

10. hoping for transferable

We'll lose the election if we hope that all who hate Bush will vote Democrat no matter who that Democrat is. That's why none of my supposedly Democrat friends turned out to vote in the 2002 senate elactions: they didn't think the Democrats were offering any alternative and were sick of voting the 'lesser of two evils.'

For what it's worth, I am a Dean fan but will support any of the current candidates if they win the nomination, except for Lieberman or Kerry, who will force me to vote 3rd party...which is better I guess than not showing up like many of my disillusioned friends.

[Octafish]

16. Think about what you just wrote.

Just as much as your "supposedly Democrat friends", you would working to give George Bush four more years to mess up our country. Not "cool."

[Kipepeo]

21. I looked at it, thought about it

and posted it.

I say "my supposedly Democrat friends" because I was sad and pissed that none of them showed up to vote in the 2002 elections and I blame people who don't vote for handing elections to Republicans. But I am getting to the point lately that I can see where disillusionment starts and where staying at home (or showing up and voting green) might mean more to me on principle than voting for a Democrat you don't really believe in but think is a lesser evil than someone like Dubya.

I am not defending "supposed democrats" who have stopped voting. I am just saying I am starting to see where they are coming from and I want a candidate who can make them care again.

[mitchum]

28. But if you refuse to vote for Kerry wont you be joining your "supposedly..

Democrat friends" as...well..a "supposed Democrat"?

I suppose I should welcome you to DU

[Kipepeo]

37. yes

If I refuse to vote for Kerry I will be voting with friends that I bawled at in the 2002 election for giving up hope. You're right. What more do you want me to say? I have been critical of those who have been disillusioned in the past but if another person like Lieberman or Kerry wins the nomination I don't know what else to do, because I think my "principle" factor might outweigh my "strategy" factor.

I'm sorry! I am not trying to be negative but am telling you my fears. If you want me to see that your guy offers hope to those who aren't convinced then show me; I am sorry if I've seemed closed off to that, but that is how I am thinking right now. It just seems like too much of a coincidence to me that the conservative media is negative towards Dean and Clark, but positive towards Kerry and Lieberman. It convinces me that they want him to run. Also, I am having a hard time feeling any sort of sincerity in Kerry's speeches. When he makes them, I *get* that he wants to win, but I don't *get* that he is aware of how Democrats have been becomeing more like Republicans and that's why people like me are becoming saddened.

I don't mean to seem like I am not open to discussion. Sorry if I made it seem that way before, but these are my feelings *now." Much like how I didn't like okra up until two years ago but I never wrote it off and then something happened and I can't get enough of it. I think I *can* say what I don't like *now* and what I fear *now* without that meaning that I can't grow to love okra. So anyway, I am open to discussion but you know my present feelings. Hope you don't think I'm being obstinate.

ps. thank you for your welcome. I have noticed a lot of people have been saying that to me and it is a nice thing that I haven't noticed at any other message board.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

5. "My Opinion"....

Dean will loose with 45% of the vote and 10 states and D.C!

[Old and In the Way]

29. Yes, everyone has an opinion.

What you don't have are facts.

Transfer that.

[Bush loves Jiang]

47. WTF?

I didn't know you liked Al D'Amato. (Sharpton)

[deminflorida]

2. "you’ll see the guy is a fighter on the side of good. "

He proved it too by saying....

"I may not be Irish, but at least I am not French"

And the message to those "who cry in their tea cups over the stolen election".

as a Florida Resident, thanks John....we'll keep that in mind down here when you visit on March 9th.

[sandnsea]

20. Yes and start fighting

He's right, I'm damn glad he said it. I've said it before, I've never seen so damn much crying as I have in the last few months. Dean today is prime. Dirty tricks in Iowa. Like he didn't know how a caucus worked with Gore, Bradley and Harkin endorsing him; chats with Carter; and Trippi as a campaign manager. Whining doesn't win anything, fighting for every vote does.

[Kipepeo]

6. Give me a break!

Rove is *pretending* to hate the guy (Kerry) because he would MUCH RATHER go up against Kerry than an outsider who knows how to mobilize people like Dean or Clark.

That's why Rove and Bush and Co. have been saying *all along* that they would love to go up against Dean and that they are afraid of Lieberman and Kerry.

1) Do you *really* think they would be honest about who they are afraid of and who they think they can beat? Obviously they are going to tell you the opposite in hopes that you will vote for who they want to run against. 'Oh we're sooo afraid of Kerry and Lieberman!!! Don't vote for either of them! Goodness knows what we would do!'

2) I'm sorry but Kerry offers *nothing* fresh to voters who are not already seasoned staunch democrats. When he talks, I snore. I just can't see people who have never voted & people who have stopped voting & people who usually vote green turning up to vote for this guy. We need a candidate to vote *for* this time...not some lame-lesser-of-two-evils-so-I-guess-I'd-better-make-mine-a-vote-*against*-bush-this-time-candidate.

[Octafish]

11. Interesting perspective. So where were all "mobilized" in Iowa?

Gee. If Karl Rove thought someone would be able to drum up enough support to beat the Little Turd from Crawford simply by getting the word out, he'd do all he could to stop the spread of that word. So why did Newsweek, TIME, US News & World Report ALL start to report BIG TIME on Howard Dean last summer? From them on it was all "Dean Dean Dean" remember?

No, what Rove fears is the candidate. And while any of the Democrats who have declared this year would make better presidents than George Bush, only one candidate would make a superior President, John Kerry.

[Kipepeo]

18. to octafish

Of course it was all, as you say, "Dean Dean Dean," and it was all negative in my mind. They would report something good about his campaign, like his ability to mobilize voters, and then trash him with the 'electability' argument and spout something about how Karl Rove couldn't wait to run against him because he was 'annnngry' and 'craaaAzy.'

*That's* a big reason for Iowa, in my opinion, along with people buying into this and voting not for who they believe in but for who they think the 'next guy' might vote for. And the 'next guy' is not going to vote for him anyway and is probably going to vote for Bush, so quit trying to pick the nominee that will win Bush voters....that's my feeling.

[Old and In the Way]

33. Hi Octafish, haven't seen you posting much lately.

Fascinating political logic by some of the posters here.

Never trust a majority of people to choose the right candidate. We almost made that mistake with Al Gore.

Apparently, we should hold suspect a popular Democratic movement as a sure sign that the evil genius Rove has manipulated their minds. Much better to go with the least popular candidates in the statistical polls...surely, they'll help us to grab the majority of voters in the general election. It's counter intuitive, but trust them on this.

[Octafish]

34. Hi, Not-So Old and In the Way!

Stand assured, Good DU Friend, I'll find the time to fight the good fight. However, I've been rabbiting for the corps and clients of my small co. Things really hit the fan when all the various wanted everything done yesterday at once. So, my keyboard's been blazing for someone other than mine since what seems like forever.

Regarding the critical faculties of the electorate: Yeh, I'm glad to be an American. So what if the public schools are a mess? There's always the public library. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. We need a President who knows what to do as President. And that's why WE, along with Joe Wilson, most of the good guys in the Pentagon, your good friends in the State Department, and those good people in Intelligence communities are behind John Kerry.

[Kipepeo]

39. It's not that I don't trust the American people...

It's that I don't trust what:

a) Karl Rove *says* he thinks, which I believe Octafish posted here in the very first thread...something about Rove hating Kerry. Now why should we trust Rove to tell us the truth about who he is afraid of and who he likes?

b)...the conservative media inpires in people. I think most of the people in Iowa, for example, didn't vote for the guy they liked, but instead voted for the guy they thought *others* might like, based on conservative media smear campaigns: A defeatest strategy in my opinion.

[hellhathnofury]

8. How could a man who's 75% head not beat 2% head matter Bush.

His head is enormous! Hell, his chin could do the job alone.

[Octafish]

24. Jimmy Kimmel addressed this very question.

The guy had a picture of Kerry's profile and ran it over a picture of the New England Patriot's logo:



I don't have Photoshop, but some wag at ABC did and merged the two images. It was seamless.

[mb7588a]

9. I would LOVE...

...to see a John F. Kerry v. George W. Bush debate.

That would be a paramount moment in American History. ABSOLUTELY PARAMOUNT.

Any of our guys would do well, but Kerry has the potential to belittle and embarrass him into DIRT.

[Octafish]

27. Kerry, in a debate, would make Bush cry.

After using everything from Selection 2000 to BCCI to 9-11 as a can opener to tear him a new one, the Little Turd from Crawford would be so humiliated he'd run for his mommy's skirt. Babs would be on Larry King, howling, "How DARE he hurt my little George's feelings!"

LMAO. It would be so nice.

[IndianaGreen]

12. Kerry is unelectable

and I will be there telling you "I told you so!" when it happens, and there is nothing you can say about it because I would have voted for the Bonesman sob despite my misgivings.

[Octafish]

25. Fair enough. But I disagree.

Then, again, the election's a ways off. Plenty of time for the BFEE to unleash its minions...

Here's what this week's Newsweek had to say about a Kerry-Bush match-up: Kerry Wins!

And They're Off

Kerry surges to the head of the pack, beating even Bush in a hypothetical election. But the Democratic horserace is still far from over

EXCERPT...

EB EXCLUSIVE
By Brian Braiker
Updated: 2:30 p.m. ET Jan. 24, 2004

Jan. 24 - Riding high on his victory in the Iowa caucus—and benefiting from former Vermont governor Howard Dean’s embarrassing “I have a scream” speech—Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry has surged to the head of the pack of democratic presidential hopefuls, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll, commanding 30 percent of support from registered Democrats, up from 11 percent two weeks ago. And for the first time in the poll's history a Democrat is enjoying a marginal advantage over President George W. Bush. In a hypothetical face-off, Kerry commanded a three-point lead over the president. Dean’s support among registered and likely Democrats, meanwhile, has been cut in half, to 12 percent. That puts him in three-way tie for second place in the Jan. 27 New Hampshire primary with retired Gen. Wesley Clark (12 percent) and North Carolina Sen. John Edwards (13 percent).

SNIP...

Overall, 52 percent of those polled by NEWSWEEK say they would not like to see Bush serve a second term, compared to 44 percent who want to see him win again in November. As a result, Kerry is enjoying a marginal advantage over Bush, a first for the poll. Forty-nine percent of registered voters chose Kerry, compared to 46 percent who re-elected Bush. In fact, all Democrats are polling better against Bush, perhaps due to increased media attention to their primary horserace: Clark gets 47 percent of voters’ choice compared to 48 percent from Bush; Edwards has 46 percent compared to Bush’s 49; Leiberman wins 45 percent versus Bush’s 49 percent; and Dean fares the worst with 45 percent of their votes to Bush’s 50 percent.

CONTINUED...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4049942

[pnziii]

13. Kerry is not a Liberal

You wrote
Consider: As a Liberal Democrat, Kerry would use the office of President to make this a better country for ALL citizens,

Did you know Kerry's voting record of taking away citizen's rights.
Not very liberal.

Just one example of many

Senate Vote on Medical Privacy H.R 3103

Medical privacy - Hidden within the massive health care reform bill approved by Congress in the stampede for an August recess was a deceptively labeled provision that further eroded the privacy rights of all Americans. The provision, known as "administrative simplification," gives government and businesses access to
confidential medical information about individuals without their consent and establishes a unique health identification number for every patient, health provider, health plan and employer.

The ACLU Urged a Vote For Medical Privacy
Kerry, Ashcroft, Santorum and many others voted against Medical Privacy...

[sandnsea]

19. That bill would save lives

If people's medical information were on one computerized chip or card, or tracked by a number, it would save lives and billions of dollars in medical costs as well. It was not a bill about invading anybody's privacy.

[Andromeda]

42. I strongly disagree...

Having your whole medical history on one chip would make you subject to unfair discrimination by insurance companies.

There is a lot of potential for abuse if this is implemented.

[wal]

14. JOHN KERRY

Octafish is right. Kerry is the real deal, and will beat Bush if -
1) Diebold and Jeb Bush/Kathleen Harris do not steal another election,

2) he is not assassinated.

Congratulations Octafish on your exceptionally professional post.

[IndianaGreen]

23. Kerry is the Phoney Deal!

With Kerry we are merely replacing Bush in the White House, we are not replacing Bush's policies.

[Octafish]

26. Like Nader said there's no difference between Bush and Gore?

Well, there was and there is. And unlike Bush, Kerry would do what's best for ALL Americans. That's why he's a Democrat.

[IndianaGreen]

30. When it comes to the Endless War and PATRIOT

and, I may add the Guantanamo concentration camp and the use of "enemy combatant" classification as a way to bypass due process, there are no differences between Kerry and Bush.

[Octafish]

31. Kerry voted against making Ashcroft AG in 2001.

And Kerry voted against making the drug-addled Bill Rehnquist the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in 1985. Gee. If more DEMs felt like Kerry, there would have been no "Endless War" and PATRIOT Act because there would be NO Bush "administration."

[IndianaGreen]

32. So what? He voted for PATRIOT

which gave whoever is President dictatorial powers similar to the ones Hitler got with the Enabling Act that was passed after the Reichstag was burned.

Unlike Wes Clark, Kerry has not called for the repeal of PATRIOT. This Bonesman from Boston has been corrupted by unchecked power as much as Bush has been. We are not safer with Kerry in the White House and PATRIOT on the books than we were with Bush. Mark my words! Kerry will use PATRIOT to squash domestic dissent with the same vigor that Ashcroft has used it against groups like Greenpeace.

[Old and In the Way]

36. IG, did you watch the SOTU speech the other night?

If you did, you saw the Democrats booing that bill...and the Republican criminals wildly applauding it. The Patriot Act was rammed down the throat of Congress in the aftermath of 9/11. We know what that's all about.

That's why Kerry will lead the fight to fix the civil liberty issues. He's got 2 things going for him. (1) He's an insider and (2) He's got the leadership skills to make it happen.

It will pass, you know why? Because the Dems will support and so will the Republicans. The last thing they want is to have a Democrat with dictatorial powers.

[IndianaGreen]

38. Kerry has refused to call for the repeal of PATRIOT

and Kerry has also refused to pull the troops out of Iraq and to end Bush's Endless Imperial war.

I rather take my chances with Wes Clark, at least he is not afraid to refer to Bush as AWOL, something that Kerry refused to do on Crossfire today.

Kerry is another DLC appeaser and wimp!

[JohnKleeb]

40. then we should support Kucinich or Sharpton

and I do like those two both. Everyone but DK and Sharpton are refusing to pull troops out, same with the patriot act. If youre gonna go after Kerry for this, go after all them for it so you can at least be fair.

[blm]

43. Do you have a link where Clark called Bush awol?

Would love to see it.

[Old and In the Way]

35. Welcome on board wal!

Of course, every candidate we run against Bush will have this concern. I hope all the candidates make this a priority now. Of course, what we cannot afford is another election that is close. A clear majority of Americans voting for Kerry will make that task more difficult, probably impossible to throw.

As for assassinations, I'd suggest search for some of Octafish's threads on this subject.....it is something that to be concerned about and frankly, given Kerry's past willingness to investigate the BFEE, I'd say he merits special concern. But that's another reason to admire the man's courage...I'd go so far as to say that the spirit of JFK has touched Kerry deeply.

[schultzee]

15. Yes he can! But we must get the verifiable paper voting trail or

Bu$h the Re-PIG-lican with the help of DIEBOLD, E.S.AND S and other touch screen companies will steal the vote. PLEEEEZe visit verifiedvoting.org and lobby. We will win if we can keep the corporate corrupt voting companies from stealing the vote. Why are the re-pig-licans not co-sponsoring HB2239? If we can get an auditable paper trail, we can win and they can't steal it again.

[oasis]

22. New Hampshire, send them a president.

[DoNotRefill]

41. "All a purple heart shows....

is that you were smart enough to come up with a plan, stupid enough to implement it, and lucky enough to survive." --Murphy's Laws of Combat

Kerry's anti-gun stance will destroy him everywhere except the Northeast and MAYBE California.

[Octafish]

44. How profound.

Here's a photo people who understand what it means to sacrifice their own safety and well-being for the good of the country can understand:



Nice, huh? Looks better on the resume than "ski instructor."

[PatrickS]

45. Yes, pink tu-tus can beat Bush

:eyes:

[Octafish]

46. Nice smear. It still looks better on the resume than "ski instructor."

BTW: Kerry's done more for this country than most Americans DREAM of doing.