Did Bush committ TREASON?

[hellbound-liberal]

We should be on every major intersection today with a sign bearing that question and the channel listing for our local CSPAN-2 channel which will rebroadcast the DSM hearings at 8:00 PM tonight. John Conyers has got the snowball rolling, we need to help it pick up the pace!

[GeorgeGist]

1. Yes

but better yet. "Bush is committing treason still".

[ElectroPrincess]

2. Hell yes, but the Corporate Media refuses to educate the American People!

[hellbound-liberal]

4. That's why WE have to do it

The c-whore-porate media will never ask the tough questions cause they'll lose their prime seating at the White House soirees. We have to try to contact all of our loyal American patriots and get them to help us get the message out, preferably during rush hour.

[tavalon]

3. Yep, that's part of the display

I will be putting up. I wonder if they will leave it up during the Fremont Fair?

[baldguy]

5. Hell, yes!

[PATRICK]

6. You mean how many counts?

Of course going the way from allowing the accusation to a real investigation and trial to real accountability will never get to the abysmal bottom of ALL the crimes or their terrible effects on all that is good and true about America, all that is vital to its real and public interests.

WE ACCUSE.

[Gregorian]

24. Illegal war, outing Plame, fixing an election...(High crimes)

I posted before looking at the definition of treason.

Perhaps flying the Bin Ladens out of the country was treason. Probably not.

[rhett o rick]

7. Yes, when he went AWOL during the other stupid war. nt

[itcfish1]

8. Are there Any

Constitutional Lawyers out there to make an honest opinion?

[Proud_Lefty]

9. This is what I've been yelling for

We need to get our message OUT THERE and we've really got a critical message now we can't let fizzle out. Instead of having a few huge rallies here and there, put 2 to 3 people on each corner of every city across the nation with the same message. More people would see it and if they're driving from part of the city to another, they see it over and over again until they reach their destination. If they drive to another city, they keep seeing it over and over, and all their friends and family see it, and they start talking about it.

[Scout1071]

13. I did it last night and I think it was successful. HOWEVER,

I joined a group that has been active in that location for 3 years. Honestly, and with all due respect to those folks if they are DU'ers, but they almost drove me away. They were yelling and taunting passersby. I tried to politely tell them that those methods weren't winning any friends or voters. Well, that rankled them even more and they kind of turned on me saying "who the hell are you? we've been here for 3 years." Fair enough. I respect their fight and determination, but running into traffic and yelling in people's windows is annoying and offensive. All it did was feed into some lefty, liberal, kook stereotype.

I specifically went down there dressed as the average republican. Khaki shorts, nice black polo. My friend came in her business clothes straight from work. We did that on purpose. We want those rush hour drivers to see people that look like themselves out there protesting. This might let them know that it is OK to rise up and demand accountability.

[Proud_Lefty]

14. Presentation counts

I agree with you that getting in people's faces only alienates many or supports their pre-conceived position that all anti-Bush people are radicals. But then again, anti-Bush people are starting to make up more and more of the American popular. Some are radical, some are angry, some are funny, some are creative, some even look just like the Christian right, but we're all different. I've learned to let people speak for themselves, especially when they feel differently than myself.

[Scout1071]

17. Yes, I'm trying to be respectful of their views. But I can guarantee

that the way they were conducting themselves was only a detriment to our cause. These people were either being laughed at or were stirring feelings of anger. I mean, I'm totally and completely on their "side", but I was embarrassed. It's like they just came out to unleash all of their anger. If they wanted to really help sway people, they would tone down their message. Let the facts and the truth speak for themselves. Just get the info in people's hands and I'm convinced that We The People will do the right thing.

Physically running into the street and confronting people in a frenzied, angry manner isn't doing anything for us. Just making us look out of touch.

Just my two cents.

[Proud_Lefty]

18. I understand

Personally, I'd stir away like you did. That's not my personal message either.

[Scout1071]

10. I stood at one of the most high profile corners in Kansas City last night

during rush hour with a sign that said "Honor our Soldiers, Demand the Truth. www.downingstreetmemo.com" The other side said "Got the Memo? www.downingstreetmemo.com Demand the Truth."

We got alot of honks, waves, thumbs-up, peace signs. We also got several middle fingers. These all came from middle-aged men. It was very interesting that (I estimate) about 75% of the support came from women and African-Americans.

On a side note, when I went to get my poster supplies I was passed by a car with a sticker that read "Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry." Almost immediately after that I came across a pick-up truck that had a sticker that read "Impeach Bush and Cheney now." Then I stopped in for lunch at a little cafe and sat next to a guy in a Kerry shirt. I told him about the rally and he was excited and said that he had been on Conyer's website and signed the petition. All of these things happened within 10 minutes of each other......IN KANSAS! If the tide is turning here......they are in big trouble.

[ArkDem]

11. I think your 't' key is sticking.

[jim3775]

12. No not treason, but...

Treason is very narrowly defined, bush committed "HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS"

That should be our new buzzword.

[mandomom]

16. HCAMs

stands for High Crimes and Misdemeanors" as in t-shirts that read, HCAMs. Could we turn this into a meaningful meme?

[mandomom]

15. Treason is the new little blue dress.

[Sir Jeffrey]

19. No, treason has a very specific definition...

snip

"Article Three defines treason as only levying war against the United States or "in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort," and requires the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act or a confession in open court for conviction."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#The_United_States

Now...were we able to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that Bush actually did "mihop" 9/11, then hell yes. Or perhaps if it were to be discovered that the Saudi Royal Family were behind 9/11, then yes. But for what we know for sure at this point, no. The DSM proves the High Crime of lying to Congress about the threat posed by Iraq in order to justify an illegal war. These are, as you heard yesterday, impeachable offenses.

[samsingh]

20. YES

[onenote]

21. probably not treason

The US Constitution defines treason as follows:
Section. 3. Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

While I've seen attempts to twist those words to encompass the lies and abuses of power committed by the Bush administration, from a legal standpoint I don't think they hold up. The treason clause was intended by the framers of the Constitution to be read very narrowly. A very long article discussing the origins and meaning of the treason clause can be found at http://www.constitution.org/cmt/jwh/jwh_treason_4.htm

onenote

[Ravy]

23. I agree, but he did commit the epitome of "high crimes" imho (n/t)

[rexcat]

22. Yes, damn right he did.

n/t