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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:22 AM
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Presstitutes Out In Force On Conyers Forum
This is the saddest display I have ever seen. There are just no words.

Dana Milbank of the WaPo writes the worst kind of hit piece on the Conyers Forum, I honestly cannot believe what I’m reading:

“In the Capitol basement yesterday, long-suffering House Democrats took a trip to the land of make-believe.

They pretended a small conference room was the Judiciary Committee hearing room, draping white linens over folding tables to make them look like witness tables and bringing in cardboard name tags and extra flags to make the whole thing look official.”

It gets worse, but this isn’t what shocks me the most, believe it or not. Milbank also chose to characterize the forum as anti-Semitic, which is not what shocks me the most either. Howard Dean responded to the anti-Semitic charges laid out by Dana Milbank (as he had to do) and then, get this, the AP creates an article about the forum “drawing an angry response and charges of anti-Semitism from party chairman Howard Dean on Friday.”

Isn’t this something? The Post creates a story about anti-Semitism where there wasn’t one and Howard Dean, as DNC Chair, has to respond. Then the AP creates a second story about Howard Dean accusing the Conyers Forum of being anti-Semitic, based on his response to the first story!!! We’ve seen a lot of bizarre storytelling from the media in the last few years, but this has really got to top it all. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that our television and newspapers are being controlled, way beyond anything I think we can imagine even. They’re all out on this one, Howard Kurtz, Michael Kinsey, Dana Milbank, I don’t know who all. They want the Memo story buried in the worst way, you’d think they were worried about looking complicit in pimping an illegal war or something.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1102
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:28 AM
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1. What does anti-Semitism have to do with protesting an illegal war in Iraq?
How did that connection get made, anyway?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:33 AM
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3. Bush Doctrine & Israel
Reshaping the politics of the ME. Israel actually has everything to do with the Iraq war, "draining the swamp" of ME terrorists, Syria, Hezbollah, all of it. Also has to do with the UN Reform hysteria, the UN apparently has become anti-Semitic too. That's the basis of McGovern's remarks, fromm what I understand.

Frankly, I've never seen this country suck up to Israel quite the way we have the last few years, it's very weird to me.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 07:01 AM
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16. I can't imagine why anyone would even think such a thing?
A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

Following is a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies’ "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy.

Israel has a large problem. Labor Zionism, which for 70 years has dominated the Zionist movement, has generated a stalled and shackled economy. Efforts to salvage Israel’s socialist institutions—which include pursuing supranational over national sovereignty and pursuing a peace process that embraces the slogan, "New Middle East"—undermine the legitimacy of the nation and lead Israel into strategic paralysis and the previous government’s "peace process." That peace process obscured the evidence of eroding national critical mass— including a palpable sense of national exhaustion—and forfeited strategic initiative. The loss of national critical mass was illustrated best by Israel’s efforts to draw in the United States to sell unpopular policies domestically, to agree to negotiate sovereignty over its capital, and to respond with resignation to a spate of terror so intense and tragic that it deterred Israelis from engaging in normal daily functions, such as commuting to work in buses.


http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:22 PM
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19. Wolfowitz too
He was trying to implement his American imperialism strategy back when Poppy was Pres. Frank Gaffney wrote a column in March of 2001 about the Bush Doctrine and spreading democracy, these people have known they were going to do all of this in the ME from day one.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:31 AM
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2. The CIA guy gave...
Israel as one reason - the lie was for varied reasons. When I watched tonight, I knew the media would jump all over that. Had nothing to do with anti-Semitism, Israel is our friend - right?
You can't mention that subject and it's wrong. So, Sharon is as bad as Bush - neither one are great leaders. The agent said, Bush admired Sharon and would do anything to impress him. It was for oil to, he said all the reasons given were right.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:35 AM
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4. The way the AP spun it though
As if Howard Dean just up and attacked the forum, instead of acknowledging that he was responding to Dana Milbank's article. If Milbank hadn't written that piece, I doubt Howard would have said anything at all. Just the media playing split the Democrats again, that's all.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:42 AM
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8. So Milbank is calling Dean an "anti-semite"??
I'm sure Judy and his kids will be surprised to hear that :wtf:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:53 AM
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12. Not Dean, the Conyers people
The AP implied that Dean attacked the Conyers Forum as anti-semitic, just out of the blue. When Dean was actually responding to Milbank reporting that the Conyers Forum was anti-semitic and distributing anti-semitic literature. I think if Dean had actually watched the forum and known it was just a couple of pieces of literature handed out by attendants (as I understand it), he would have said something much different.

Regardless, both stories are completely concocted by the media.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:39 AM
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5. Ray McGovern is old school CIA
He knows exactly what the agenda in the Middle East is and what it always has been, and he called it 100% correctly. The (future) PNAC'ers wrote a manifesto for the Likud Netanyahu government of Israel in the mid 1990's which clearly included the removal of Saddam Hussein from Iraq as one of their objectives. It's not "anti-semitic" to merely mention documents that are a matter of public record. And like the PNAC agenda itself, the Israeli document "A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" is online for open public viewing

http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:50 PM
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20. Here's proof that the I in O.I.L. = Israel
Edited on Sat Jun-18-05 03:51 PM by DoYouEverWonder
A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

Following is a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies’ "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy.

Israel has a large problem. Labor Zionism, which for 70 years has dominated the Zionist movement, has generated a stalled and shackled economy. Efforts to salvage Israel’s socialist institutions—which include pursuing supranational over national sovereignty and pursuing a peace process that embraces the slogan, "New Middle East"—undermine the legitimacy of the nation and lead Israel into strategic paralysis and the previous government’s "peace process." That peace process obscured the evidence of eroding national critical mass— including a palpable sense of national exhaustion—and forfeited strategic initiative. The loss of national critical mass was illustrated best by Israel’s efforts to draw in the United States to sell unpopular policies domestically, to agree to negotiate sovereignty over its capital, and to respond with resignation to a spate of terror so intense and tragic that it deterred Israelis from engaging in normal daily functions, such as commuting to work in buses.

more...

http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:39 AM
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6. What was the actual quote about anti-semitism?
I want to see EXACTLY how the connection was made.

The general policy of "reshaping the Middle East" seems far more related to oil than to Israel. I want to see how Milbank and others took Conyers' protest against an illegal war and turned it into an ethnic slur.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:49 AM
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10. National Security Strategy
Go read it, it's at the White House web site. NO, it isn't just about oil, I wish it were.

Links to both articles and the quotes are in the LUTD link.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:40 AM
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7. "anti-semite" is the Freeper HATEWORD of the day!
You should see the "Thank you DU" thread at Conyer's blog:
http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000142.htm#comments

90% freepers, chanting "Anti-Semitic" like a frickin MANTRA!

There's just no doubt these hate-filled little robots are getting orders from some sort of "word-of-the-day" source...
They change buzzwords WAY too uniformly simultaneously for it to be natural. It's like watching like a school of retarded fish changing direction.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:46 AM
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9. Ah, the talking point du jour....
It's a smokescreen. A way to hide the DSM.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:50 AM
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11. YUP. And no one has yet produced one of the alleged "offensive brochures"
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:56 AM
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13. Isn't it ironic
Right wingers are the worst anti-semites there are, anti-zion and all of that. Some of them must be peeing their pants trying to figure out how to choose between supporting Jews or protecting George from the DSM.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 04:05 AM
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14. Actually, most of the "90% Freepers" appears to be one deluded fool
Repeatedly posting the same hate filled lies 20 times or so, then changing names and doing it again.

Same exact script since BlowJobGate... just flood the forum with hate and leave no room for the facts. I couldn't even read the whole page without getting a headache.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:49 AM
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15.  "It's like watching like a school of retarded fish changing direction."
:)

Exactly like that.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 09:03 AM
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18. What I hate
is that some of them pretend to be DUers and write messages like "Smash the ZOG/BFEE"/"Bush/Zionists". Very mature.

There are some dangerously delusional freepers posting there though:

"Among other reasons, one reason for going to Iraq was Zarqawi being there."

Um, sure, that's why Bush invaded Iraq, because of Super-Zarqawi...
:eyes:
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:24 AM
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17. I am waiting to see Jacoby weigh in on this one on Sunday.
When he does, I cancel my subscription to the Globe.
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