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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:45 AM
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Wellstone mentioned Clark in his speech
"We have succeeded in destroying some Al Qaida forces, but many of its operatives have scattered, their will to kill Americans still strong. The United States has relied heavily on alliances with nearly 100 countries in a coalition against terror for critical intelligence to protect Americans from possible future attacks. Acting with the support of allies, including hopefully Arab and Muslim allies, would limit possible damage to that coalition and our anti-terrorism efforts. But as General Wes Clark, former Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe has recently noted, a premature go-it-alone invasion of Iraq "would super-charge recruiting for Al Qaida."
http://www.wellstoneaction.org/news/news_detail.aspx?itemID=1865&catID=298

I guess Paul had read one of those:

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1.      Why we should wait before invading Iraq - OpEd by WKC:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2002-09-09-oplede_x.htm
"Our strategic priorities need to be kept in order: We can best face a possible fight against Iraq if we have strong allies and a weakened al-Qaeda. While we eventually may have to use force against Iraq, we should use our resolve first to empower diplomacy, with war as the last resort."
 
2.      CLARK: FIGHTING WITH IRAQ COULD BE OVER IN TWO WEEKS; AMERICA CAN'T BE 'NEW ROME' WITH VOLUNTEER ARMY 10/7/02
http://www.digitalnpq.org/global_services/global%20viewpoint/10-07-02.html
"Another danger is that Iraq could become a battleground of fundamentalists. Under Saddam, the fundamentalists have been the enemy in Iraq. If he is replaced, Iraq could become a wide-open target for the fundamentalists from both Iran and Saudi Arabia, both of which would be preaching anti-Western extremism. There is little our American soldiers can do to prevent this -- it will depend on establishing quickly an effective Iraqi government"
 
3.      Julian Borger in Washington and Richard Norton-Taylor
Wednesday August 21, 2002
The Guardian
"You can get a strategically decisive result without having to use strategically decisive and destructive military power if you bring in the elements of the international law and the full diplomatic weight of the international community," he said."
 
 
4.      Before Iraq: Strengthen allies, weaken al-Qaeda
By Wesley K. Clark 09/09/02
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2002-09-09-oplede_x.htm
 
 
5.      NPQ:  Clark:  Fighting with Iraq could be over in Two Weeks; American Can't be "New Rome" with Volunteer Army Nathan Gardals 10/07/02
http://www.digitalnpq.org/global_services/global%20viewpoint/10-07-02.html
" While we must remain strong, and occasionally take actions to anticipate and eliminate immediate threats to us, we must also recognize that our greater security will be achieved not by killing our opponents and destroying their regimes but by supporting our friends and reinforcing those who share our values."
 
 
1.    The Connection w/Dick Gordon 10/10/02
http://www.theconnection.org/shows/2002/10/20021010_b_main.asp
"The general has a question: Where's NATO? In all the debate over Afghanistan and Iraq, in Congress and at the U.N., there's been very little talk about the alliance that was formed to protect and defend the U.S. and its European allies."
 
 
1.    Retired General Reflects on US Policy toward Iraq by Michael McPhee
October 10, 2002
http://www.umb.edu/news/2002news/reporter/november/iraq.html In comparing the two most recent presidencies, Clark described the Clinton administration as pursuing a foreign policy of engagement and reaching out as opposed to the Bush administration's preemption policy and striking out.
Clark, when asked where the push to invade Iraq was coming from, rejected the idea that it was the military that wanted to go to war. He blamed civilian advisors to President Bush who were pushing in that direction.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:54 AM
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1. WOW! Whew! This is why I love ya Robbedvoter! n/t
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 08:41 AM
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2. Terrific!
First this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=186545

And now this. Excellent work, my friend!

Now send this to all the anti-Clark types, aprticularly the RW media.

Good work!

:toast:
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 08:49 AM
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3. robbedvoter...
:yourock:
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:57 AM
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6. Robbed doesn't just 'rock'
Robbed kicks ass!!!

**** four gold stars for Robbed ****
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 08:50 AM
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4. Thanks, rv --
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:50 AM
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5. Perle also quotes Clark - not too happy:

http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/us/hearingspreparedstatements/hasc-092602.htm
Here is what Richard Perle had to say about General Clark's Armed Services Testimony, which can be found in  the same transcript:

He seems to be preoccupied, and I'm quoting now, with building legitimacy, with exhausting all diplomatic remedies as though we hadn't been through diplomacy for the last decade, and relegating the use of force to a last resort, to building the broadest possible coalition, in short a variety of very amorphous, ephemeral concerns alongside which there's a stark reality and that is that every day that goes by, Saddam Hussein is busy perfecting those weapons of mass destruction that he already has, improving their capabilities, improving the means with which to deliver them and readying himself for a future conflict.

So I don't believe that time is on our side and I don't believe that this fuzzy notion that the most important thing is building legitimacy, as if we lack legitimacy now, after all the U.N. resolutions that he's in blatant violation of, I don't believe that that should be the decisive consideration. So I think General Clark simply doesn't want to see us use military force and he has thrown out as many reasons as he can develop to that but the bottom line is he just doesn't want to take action. He wants to wait.
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:49 PM
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7. kicking
because this is so important :kick:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:07 PM
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8. Kick
:kick:
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kayleybeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:11 PM
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9. Great research, robbedvoter!
I'm bookmarking this, thanks!!
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DSkinner3 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:11 PM
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10. Nice!
Great bit o' research!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:13 PM
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11. Whoa! That's a powerful quote !
That should be more up front for all to see...including the Repubs and other Democrats....
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DaisyUCSB Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:14 PM
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12. You need to send this to the Clark campaign
it's really how unsettling it is that the Dean and Kerry campaigns have to resort to unsubstantiated paranoia mongering to try and hurt Clark.

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DaisyUCSB Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:14 PM
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13. You need to send this to the Clark campaign
it's really how unsettling it is that the Dean and Kerry campaigns have to resort to unsubstantiated paranoia mongering to try and hurt Clark.

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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:33 PM
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14. God damn I miss Wellstone...
Kucinich was up here canvassing for him in 2002, that has led some in the Wellstone and Kucinich camps up herre to speculate that Wellstone and Kucinich were up to something in 2004.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:35 PM
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15. So do I
He was a personal hero of mine, for the work he did in the Mississippi Delta among African American slave descendants.

I will forever love Wellstone. Wish he were here to interject some decensy into the current Democratic campaign.

:-(
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