What will bring bush** down? All these 'memos' and the draft, that's

[acmavm]

what.

No matter how big and bad the boys and girls on CU for FR may say they are, they'll really gonna balk when they start getting mail that begins with the word "Greetings". (That is if they just recycle the old form letter.) And then, and only then, will you see the diehard phoney baloneys start to squeal and cry and refuse to go to do THEIR duty in a war that was started over lies.

And one of the biggest assets we got right now is General Wesley Clark on Faux News pointing this out to them on their very own propaganda channel. He's second only to Senator Conyers who is actively rubbing the bush** administration's nose in the doody pile of their criminal activity.

[The Doctor.]

1. Clark has mentioned this?

The draft will become inevitable only if we go into Iran.

I have no idea what the administration's case for invasion will be, but I'm sure a 3k nuke on American soil will help their case.

[TwentyFive]

2. They will NOT go quietly into the dark night.

Republicans survive because they are genuises at spinning their crimes around. We have not heard from Rove because he is working overtime at figuring a way out of this mess.

[movonne]

5. The repugs are not genuises, what they have is the corporate media..

and for Rove, as far as I can see they are using the Nazi play book.
Nothing is new just recycled !!

[KnightoftheRepublic]

6. repubs

The repubs win because they are more likely to give up give up principles for victory. I mean, look at us, we blast even our own when they cross the line, but do they? No. They only care about winning, so they do.

[EVDebs]

3. When they estimated 500K troops needed for occupation

and only have 130K in there now, and they talk about NO DRAFT, I just wonder how many troops are available for redeployments without a draft to keep this enterprise going for, as Sen McCain so blithely put it "10, 20 years...that's not so bad"

(see http://www.spectrumz.com/z/fair_use/2004/09_04.html )

The 500K was from a Ray McGovern quote from the Intn'l Inst for Strategic Studies in London somewhere that I saw posted.

"Regular troop strength ranges from a low of 1 in Malawi to a high of 74,796 in Germany. At the time the most recent "Personnel Strengths" was released by the government (September 30, 2003), there were 183,002 troops deployed to Iraq, an unspecified number of which came from U.S. forces in Germany and Italy. The total number of troops deployed abroad as of that date was 252,764, not including U.S. troops in Iraq from the United States. Total military personnel on September 30, 2003, was 1,434,377. This means that 17.6 percent of U.S. military forces were deployed on foreign soil, and certainly over 25 percent if U.S. troops in Iraq from the United States were included. But regardless of how many troops we have in each country, having troops in 135 countries is 135 countries too many." from

http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance8.html

Without a draft, they will be wearing out the guys/gals in there now. With a draft, they will set off anti-war riots here at home.

No good options. The military will decide for themselves whether that "..not so bad" part of the deal the Republicans speak of is really true or not. Learning by doing. It's better when you learn from wiser people who can direct you in saner paths.

[FightingIrish]

4. Bush has backed himself into a dangerous corner.

He cannot find a face-saving way to extricate himself from his Iraq blunder and he cannot move his global agenda forward without the political suicide that reinstating the draft would mean. His rantings today are reminiscent of the end stage tirades of a certain defeated German dictator we would prefer not to mention. Like most cornered animals, he is extremely dangerous.

[Meeker Morgan]

7. The Bushites know a draft would bring them down ...

... so there will be no draft. Considering how long they've held on so far, the theory that they're stupid won't hold.

They'll raise military pay (it's pretty low now).

They'll allow open gays (thanks, guys).

They'll recruit "adventurous" foreigners.

They'll rely more on subversion in Iran.

etc.

[Rageneau]

10. The GOP can avoid a draft by volunteering their sons and daughters.

It is the GOP's war, being fought for GOP reasons, backed with GOP power, created, packaged and delivered to us by the GOP. Even today, it is the GOP that still believes in this fiasco.

So why doesn't the GOP step up and assume responsibility for keeping the ranks full of cannon fodder? If anybody deserves to have their kids slaughtered, it is the backers of this insane war.

[Independent_Liberal]

8. Yep, a draft would be the end of them.

And BTW, Conyers is a Congressman, not a Senator.

[acmavm]

9. Yep, sorry about that. I've been on a wild goose chase trying to get a

cheap copy of a QuickBooks manual, an up-to-date one, and another for Quicken. I can go to a bookstore and pay a fortune or maybe I'll end up on Amazon. Regardless, been trying to do ten things at once (kid, phone, online tutorial, etc.) and I'm not doing any of them very well. That included having my shit together here.