Atrocious NY Post Durbin smear

[Hello_Kitty]

Un-freep please.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nypost/disgracefuldickdurbin;

[Carolab]

1. Gladly. That's so rude. n/t

[LostInAnomie]

2. Maybe the question should be posed to his critics...

... "If you didn't know these reports were describing Gitmo, where would you think they were describing?"

I have yet to hear one of these Repukes answer that question.

[C_U_L8R]

3. or you could ask them...

...so then you you condone the torture at Gitmo???

or any old line of torturous questions, analogies, etc...

...so you believe it's okay to use the torture techniques of the Khmer Rouge at Gitmo???

....how is the tirture we use at Gitmo different from Nazi torture???


let them wallow in their own torture.
They are trying to deflect the conversation.
Let's get back on topic and make it stick

[emanymton]

4. Loved The Non-Denial Denial

According to the Post Durbin said,

" . . . this was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

(snip)

White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan got it right: "I think the senator's remarks are reprehensible. It's a real disservice to our men and women in uniform who adhere to high standards and uphold our values and our laws."

Real journalists will note the WH specifically changes the line to read "... men and women in uniform ..."

Given the CIA do not wear uniforms, do not adhere to high standards and uphold..." any values and laws it is clear Durbin was right on the money! WH is lying again.


Bush Lied. People Died. Media Cheered.

[teryang]

5. GITMO is a deliberate attempt to avoid the Geneva Conventions

Here is the proof:

http://lawofwar.org/Torture_Memos_analysis.htm

<1) As long as there is a genuine issue of fact or law regarding the status of captured individual combatants who are members of the Taliban or Al Qaeda, the Third Geneva Convention of 1949 must apply, until properly otherwise determined. Article 5 of that Convention provides, in part, that "Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal." (Emphasis added).<snip>

<...3) No Article 5 tribunal (see, Army Regulation 190-8, Section 1-6) has been convened or held regarding any captured member of Al Qaeda3 or the Taliban.

4) Accordingly, any such persons are protected by the Third Geneva Convention until a competent tribunal determines otherwise. It appears quite certain that such a determination if it did occur, would not operate retroactively to validate actions by captors which were otherwise violations of the rights of protected persons.<snip>

My comment: The truth is the GITMO operation is being operated in a legal vacuum in an attempt to protect participants from prosecution or other litigation. It is a step beneath the treatment of prisoners of war adopted by communist nations during the cold war. These countries gave nominal deference to the Conventions. They sought to conceal their violations and torture from inspectors and the media. The American strategy is similar but one step beyond because of the refusal to even acknowledge the applicability of the Conventions. The forms of torture developed are of the non-impact, low impact and psychological variety. Those who have had military POW training know exactly what this is. It is torture that doesn't leave marks on the body.

This allows the apologists for the Geneva violations in the Congress free to make misleading spin commentary referrable to the diet and nutrition of the prisoners as if this proves that we are not in violation of the Conventions, or in fact, conducting torture techniques.