ATTENTION PLEASE: If you never read anything else read these bullet points

[chaska]

This is from Power Down by Richard Heinberg. It's one hell of a great book on peak oil. I just this moment read the following on page 68. The chapter is about the GW Bush administration. My heart started pounding when I read this.



Neoconservatism is the intellectual offspring of Leo Strauss (1899-1973), a jewish scholar who fled Hitler's Germany and taught political science at the University of Chicago. According to Shadia Drury in 'Leo Strauss and the American Right' (Griffin, 1999), Strauss advocated an essentially Machiavellian approach to governance. He believed that:

A leader must perpetually deceive those being ruled.

Those who lead are accountable to no overarching system of morals, only to the right of the superior to rule the inferior.

Religion is the force that binds society together, and is therefore the tool by which the ruler can manipulate the masses (any religion will do).

Secularism in society is to be supressed, because it leads to critical thinking and dissent.

A political system can be stable only if it is united against an external threat, and that if no real threat exists, one should be manufactured.

end quote

Among Strauss's students was Paul Wolfowitz. Second-generation students (whatever that means) include Newt Gingrich, Clarence Thomas, Irving Kristol, William Bennett, John Ashcroft, and Michael Ledeen.

Ledeen, of the American Interprise Institute, who has a "deep and abiding" fascination with Machiavelli and has written a book about him is a policy advisor to Karl Rove.



Researchers research this. Everyone send this to everyone you know: Bloggers, radio stations, tv station, newspapers, friends, enemies, everyone you can think of. Your country needs this information.

[rzemanfl]

1. I think that asshole they ran for the Senate in Illinois was his

student too.

[Blue Belle]

12. Alan Keys?? The one who ran against Obama??

Is that who you mean?

[rzemanfl]

18. Exactly. I think I read it somewhere. I am old and have CRS. n/t

[chaska]

66. I HOPE YOU ALL WILL SAVE THIS (the original post) SOMEHOW....

and use it. I think this is pretty potent stuff. Sure to win an argument with any freeper.

[global1]

2. You Forgot One.....

- If somebody calls you out with the truth (Durbin) put the pressure on him and make him apologize.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

3. Two comments here:

1) A second-generation student is one who studied with someone who studied with "the master." (When I was in grad school, we jokingly called these "grandstudents," as in "I'm a grandstudent of Sapir and Bloomfield.")

2) I have long suspected that the Bushies and company are simply using the fundies and don't actually believe in anything except their own wealth and power. All the figures mentioned in the article have proposed quirky versions of "traditional Judaeo-Christian morality" for the masses while they themselves have no qualms about any atrocity or self-indulgence.

The Straussian philosophy provides ideal cover for sociopaths.

[chaska]

4. Yes, we all knew all of this, just like we knew everything that was in DSM

And just like with the DSM we now have it in black and white.

[bribri16]

39. But most of us at DU already knew this, so do a lot of others

but there doesn't seem to be a damn thing we can do about it and the people who could (the voters) identify themselves with the leaders or the elites. They are too ill-=informed to recognize that just because they are not homeless, have debt up to their ears, vacation on Martha's Vineyard, drive the latest luxary cars, and have a pay check coming in they are still just fodder in this Straussian cannon.
If they don't own a bank, a company, and are not multi-millionaires, they still don't understand that they are just fodder for the neocons. Their white and yellow skins do not mean anything more than they are more susceptible to believing the lies.

[elextech]

67. Bush and pious folk

I guess I'm close to being what you refer to as a "fundy;" however I don't attend church on Sunday, 'cuz I believe that the hierarchal organization of sects, denominations, etc. is unbiblical, so I don't kiss any preacher's, priest's, or bishop's ... uh ... ring. Just for the record, I've never believed that Bush was/is one of us. I did vote for him in 2000, but there seemed no point in voting for anybody in 2004, so I didn't. Nobody out there represents me.

[chaska]

5. I have to leave for a couple hours. Please keep kicked. Thanks.

[Richard D]

8. kicked

[WillyT]

6. Hmmm... Fled Hitler's Germany, But Didn't Learn A Goddamned Thing !!!

Nice legacy Mr. Strauss.

Hope your rotting in Hell these days!

:puke:

[jwirr]

7. How could Leo Strauss, as a Jew, even begin

to teach this junk? Did he ignore the holocaust like the bushies ignore the dead of their crimes? What made this idiot tick? And the most important question - why did the University of Chicago have sponsored his teaching for so many years?

[nikraye]

10. Strauss not the only Jew...

Take a look at the neocon ranks...you'll find plenty of Jews quite prominent in the neocon movement. There's a very strong U.S./Israel pact among the neocons (e.g., what's good for Israel is good for the U.S.).

[realcountrymusic]

37. Oooh, Darlin'

Bring me my copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion from the Nazi memorabilia room. I need to look something up.

[nikraye]

44. Sorry, if you're offended. But facts are facts. n/t

[Vladimir]

48. Oh dear me, what have we here?

The noecons support Israel because it suits their interests, not for any religious, ethnic or other reasons. And it certainly has nothing to do with them being Jews, since many of the most pro-Israel types in the administration are in fact not Jewish.

[nikraye]

58. The words of Israeli writer, Ari Shavit (Haaretz.com)

From Ari Shavit's article, "White man's burden" (published 05/04/2003, Haaretz.com, an Israeli publication/website):

In the course of the past year (2002), a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history.

and...

Is this an American Lebanon War? Tom Friedman (New York Times columnist) says he is afraid it is. He was there, in the Commodore Hotel in Beirut, in the summer of 1982, and he remembers it well. So he sees the lines of resemblance clearly. General Ahmed Chalabi (the Shi'ite leader that the neoconservatives want to install as the leader of a free Iraq) in the role of Bashir Jemayel. The Iraqi opposition in the role of the Phalange. Richard Perle and the conservative circle around him as Ariel Sharon. And a war that is at bottom a war of choice. A war that wants to utilize massive force in order to establish a new order...

Is the Iraq war the great neoconservative war? It's the war the neoconservatives wanted, Friedman says. It's the war the neoconservatives marketed. Those people had an idea to sell when September 11 came, and they sold it. Oh boy, did they sell it. So this is not a war that the masses demanded. This is a war of an elite. Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

*********************************

Haaretz is an independent daily newspaper with a broadly liberal outlook both on domestic issues and on international affairs. It has a journalistic staff of some 330 reporters, writers and editors. The paper is perhaps best known for its Op-ed page, where its senior columnists - among them some of Israel's leading commentators and analysts - reflect on current events. Haaretz plays an important role in the shaping of public opinion and is read with care in government and decision-making circles.

Haaretz was founded in Jerusalem in 1919 by a group of Zionist immigrants, mainly from Russia. Among its staffers was the Revisionist leader, Ze'ev Jabotinsky. The writer Ahad Ha'am was a frequent contributor during those early years.

In 1922, the paper moved to Tel Aviv, its home to the present day. From 1922 until 1937, it was edited by Dr. Moshe Glickson.

In 1935, the paper was bought by Zalman Schocken, a businessman and prominent Zionist from Germany who had recently settled in Palestine. His son, Gershom, took over the editorship in 1939 and headed the paper until his death more than fifty years later, in 1990. Since then, Gershom Schocken's son, Amos, has served as publisher of Haaretz. Hanoch Marmari served as editor-in-chief from 1990 through April 2004. The current editor-in-chief is David Landau, who previously managed the English edition of the newspaper. Haaretz is still entirely owned by the Schocken family.

[Vladimir]

59. Without the entirety of the article

I would hesitate to pass judgement on Mr. Shavit's reference to their Jewishness. But from the sections you supply, I really can't see what it has to do with anything that they are Jewish.

And as for Friedmann's quip about a desert island, he is as usual wrong. September 11th was the excuse, but the invasion of 2003 was the culmination of some 11 years of warfare against the people of Iraq by the US/UK/Western coalition - it was motivated by geopolitics and oil when it started, and it was motivated by them when it finished. Minus the neocons, it may have finished in a different manner (indeed it might have well finished in a manner less painful to the Iraqi citizenry), but the war was happening long before the Empire's infantry descended on Baghdad.

[Eloriel]

11. It gets worse than that, actually

Strauss came to the U.S. from Germany sometime before Hitler's demise. He LIKED fascism, and in fact advocated for what he called "universal fascism," which is fascism without the anti-Semitism (fascism for Jews too). One of his students, Michael Ledeen (mentioned above), actually wrote a book by the same name: Universal Fascism -- here's an article about him and mentioning his book: http://www.amconmag.com/06_30_03/feature.html

I just tried to search for it on Amazon, but that article came up instead. Search results for Micahel Ledeen doesn't mention it. Curious, isn't it? I was going to try to search Alibris, but it's not coming up for me at the moment. Edited: Alibris didn't show it either. There are other book searches, but I don't have any links for them.

[Tinoire]

29. Fascism and Nazism Reading Lists

Michael Ledeen,
Universal Fascism (New York 1998) New York : H. Fertig, 1972. 1 (Standard)


On the reading list for the University of Warwick's seminar "Fascism and Nazism in Theory and Practice"

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/pais/staff/baker/teaching/fascism_and_nazism/seminar_reading_lists/

Still not seeing where you can order it though...

[Nikki Stone 1]

31. Have you found a place to order Ledeen's "Universal Fascism"?

I would like to have it to show my conservative friends. An ISBN number would also be helpful.

[Tinoire]

46. No... I haven't

I googled it for you but couldn't. Sorry...

Maybe the University of Chicago's bookstore can help? Good luck

[Senior citizen]

16. Judaism is a patriarchal religion and it isn't special.

There are fascist Jews and anti-fascist Jews. You'll find most of the anti-fascists in Reform Judaism, and most of the fascists in Orthodox Judaism, but it is dangerous to generalize as I know some Orthodox Jews who are anti-fascist, and some Reform Jews who are not. There were some Jewish capos in the concentration camps, but there were also some Jewish heroes.

That's why it is essential not to adhere to my country right or wrong, my religion right or wrong, or my political party right or wrong. The beginning of personal responsibility is to distinguish between good and bad, and to choose the good and condemn the bad, whereever you may find it.

But it IS interesting that quite a few people blame Jews for both Communism and Fascism. We're convenient scapegoats as a group, but just as diversified individually as any other group.

Leo Strauss and his followers should be viewed as the excrement they are. As he pointed out, religion for such people is merely a tool, not a belief.

[FizzFuzz]

41. well stated; I am continually chilled and outraged by the masses of

fundies who have virtuously put their powers of discernment on hold, and beam vacuously about having done so.

The patriarchal Abrahamic religions have always made me uncomfortable.

[Pacifist Patriot]

50. Very well said!

[suziedemocrat]

38. Exactly - how did someone like that get a job at U of Chicago?

Also - what is up with the goverment being able to buy our property for a "fair price" and sell it to developers? I hope we are not heading into a very dark period of serfs and kings.

[Eloriel]

9. I'll add this to my other links on Strauss and the NeoCons

Here are just a few of them:
One more time: LEO STRAUSS AND THE NEO-CONS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=7200&forum=DCForumID70&archive=yes
WAKE UP! - Strauss / Neocons and Terror PLUS dire warnings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1780890#1781801

Leo Strauss and the Noble Lie: The Neo-Cons at War
http://www.logosjournal.com/mason.htm

Straussian.net -- Leo Strauss and the History of Political Thought
(with Discussion Forums! Book Reviews and a News Blog)
http://www2.bc.edu/~wilsonop/strauss.html

Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception
By Jim Lobe, AlterNet. Posted May 19, 2003.
http://www.alternet.org/story/15935
linked to from this thread: Has Straussian ideology permeated the GOP?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2121269#2122935

Eurolegal Services - Neoconservatives
http://www.eurolegal.org/useur/usneocon.htm

PNAC Links Archive (Redux)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=110&topic_id=80&mesg_id=80

[al bupp]

27. Check-out Antiwar.com

You'll find much more on the Neo-Cons in general and Strauss, in particular. As many here probably already know, the site's edited and has many bloggers from the Libertarian/Paleocon side of the political spectrum.

These people noticed early on that the Neocons were hijacking the GOP, and so had a number of pieces on Strauss and his followers, many of whom once called the Democratic party home in the old Scoop Jackson wing. Before that they were Social Democrats, Socialists and going back to their earliest days, Trotskyists.

Here's an article about the Neocons from the site's prolific editorial director, Justin Raimondo, may favorite writer among the quirky bunch there:

"Everything You've Always Wanted to Know About Neocons, But were afraid to ask…"
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=1563

He may be an associate of Pat Buchannon, but he's got a sharp wit, an ascerbic pen, and knows how to embed meaningful links into the body of his prose which support and extend his arguments.

For what it's worth...

[alphafemale]

13. I'd heard of Straussism. Best brief description I've seen though. Thanks

nominated

[snot]

14. kick nt

[soleft]

15. Strauss believed in fighting fascism with fascism

He believed it was the liberal climate that came to exist in Germany after WWI that allowed the Nazi's to come to power, because the secular, liberal society tolerated their existance.

He also believed that man is intrisically evil and must be controlled by an elite few.

It's a wonderful theory if you're mentally ill or completely lacking empathy and compassion.

[KoKo]

62. Makes me wonder about Thomas. Would he prefer the rule of Slave

Owners (men of power and influence who owned it all and were tough and determined that their system was the fair one) over the end of slavery? That's always bothered me about him. And I think Condi Rice has the same idea.

They are perhaps like Strauss in that they eventually became the very embodiment of those who oppressed them. There's a psychological term for that phenomenon....I can't remember what it is.

[realcountrymusic]

17. hate to piss on a parade but

Why is it that Strauss is identifed as "a jewish scholar?" Do we normally identify intellectuals by their religious or ethnic affiliation? Does Strauss's ethnicity or religious worldview have anything to do with the Machiavellian crap he spouted?

But we all know what that's about, don't we. Sometimes the left is as bad as the right on this one.

[chaska]

21. That's such bullshit.

I hate what Israel does. If you want to call me or anyone an anti-semite, knock yourself out - I don't care. My jewish friends would have a good laugh.

The point didn't strike me particularly, I'll look at it again. But I have read most of the book now (again, on peak oil) and there is no anti-semetic thread running through it at all.

[realcountrymusic]

35. Whoa dude

First, it's Sem*i*tic, not Sem*e*tic, and the fact that you can't spell it tells me all I need to know.

Second of all, I *never* mentioned Israel in my post. I simply asked why Strauss needs to be identified as a "Jewish Scholar" when there is no discernible influence of Judaism on his scholarship. And protest all you want, but your tone reveals exactly why. And you even get in that old canard "some of my best friends are jewish ".

Could it be more obvious?

[Capn Sunshine]

56. well, my take on this

is that European refugees from the Hitler regime are often identified as "Jewish", to both honor the longstanding Talmudic traditions of scholarship, in this case Strauss being a product of the Hebrew academies, but also as a chauvanistic assention to the overriding notion that no one would flee Europe to study elsewhere unless there was a problem of huge magnitiude.

This bias of Euro vs other places scholars still exists in academia.
An offshhot of it is the East Coast bias of many American scholars today.

[jwirr]

25. His ethnic background had nothing to do

with his teaching but what I was asking is why did the holocaust have no effect on his thoughts. That does have to do with his being a Jew. I guess my question is why did the holocaust not effect this thinking? You do not have to be prejudice to ask that question.

[realcountrymusic]

36. Oh?

Where in the post is there any consideration of what his experience as a Jew born in Nazi-era Germany has to do with his scholarship.

DU is going down the tubes faster than a Corvette. What has happened to this place?

[whatever4]

40. Gee

For one, I hvae to thank you all for those links and information. I'm going to read them all after this.

About this small tiff over Jewish issues, can I throw it out that, I'm sure we can all realize that if you're on this board, you're not interested in putting people down for their religion. So, to the DU community, it's immaterial, yes? We have mutual respect for relgion, or lack of it. Might not always say it very well, might make mistakes in speaking about it, but even if there are underhanded attempts going on here, they'll only be ignored. No one is jumping on THAT band wagon.

Don't let the neocon monsters goad you into attacking each other. I know delving into these issues makes us all feel angry, and a little dirty, but, fight the urge!! We have to understand them, and recognize what they're doing and how they're doing it, but we don't have to BE them.

We ain't going down the tubes! We're integrating, growing, getting more and diverse people onboard, sometimes a little bumpy, but it's a good thing :) Chin up :)

[realcountrymusic]

42. Hardly true

"About this small tiff over Jewish issues, can I throw it out that, I'm sure we can all realize that if you're on this board, you're not interested in putting people down for their religion. So, to the DU community, it's immaterial, yes? We have mutual respect for relgion, or lack of it."

Sorry, I respectfully disagree. DU is rife with intolerance, and most especially anti-Semitism. Assuming we're all progressive on this issue doesn't cut it.

The OP had no reason whatsoever to identify Strauss as a "Jewish Scholar," except the one s/he revealed in his/her later reply to me. The holocaust's influence on Strauss' thought, not discussed in the OP, is a red herring.

I see more and more outright anti-Semitism here, and yes, I understand the difference between being a critic of the Israeli government and an anti-Semite. I too am a frequent critic of the Israeli government. Strauss had nothing to do with Israel, and identifying him as "a Jewish scholar" is a code phrase.

I am increasingly fed up with DU. It has gone down the tubes since 11/04. In the last week I have seen outright stalking condoned and cheered, and now outright anti-Semitism getting a pass. Theft of intellectual property is treated here as politically salient protest. Wack-job conspiracy theories that make us look worse than FreeRepublic are rampant on this site of late, and very few reasonable voices are chiming in and saying anything.

You know, I've just convinced myself to quit reading or posting to DU entirely. Just as I quit the Democratic party entirely to become a registered independent. With friends like these, who needs enemies?

[whatever4]

45. hmmm

Well, I'll just take a step back, because not only am not informed enough to offer an opinion, but I just got here. If it is as you say, I'm sure I'll encounter it myself. Best of luck, wherever you go.

[Pacifist Patriot]

51. *shrug*

Much of life is perception. Perhaps he and I are reading different posts, but his characterization of DU is not my experience. It's a big place with a great deal of active participation.

I have seen things that offend me, but typically a diplomatic query for explanation or an offline PM is enough to clarify the situation and resolve it amicably.

I've been on internet bulletin boards for approximately seven years. There is a tendency to throw a wide net over a community and assume the actions of some reflect the opinions of most or all. We're also likely to become less objective the more passionate we are about a subject. I've certainly been guilty of that.

DU is much like life. You'll meet people you instantly think are the coolest people on the planet, some that rub you the wrong way from about the third word you read and plenty that don't even register on your radar. It's how we choose to react and respond to what we read that governs our experience here, not what someone else has written.

As for the OP, I do not think the impact of the content would have resonated with me if the fact that Strauss was a Jew had been left off. I too find it fascinating that a member of an abominably oppressed religion would sympathize with the tactics used for that oppression. That lends a psychological dimension to his teachings that I find astounding but that may be because of my academic interests. At any rate, I did not assume anti-Semitism in the inclusion of the modifier any more than I would have assumed anti-Christian sentiments if he had been identified as a Catholic scholar.

[Vladimir]

49. Its a quote from the book, so we would presumably have to

see it in context to know. But I don't see how its anti-semitic as it stands, and the religion or ethnicity of politicians and political scholars aren't necessarily insignificant.

[nikraye]

60. Dunno why "Jewish Scholar"...but how 'bout "Jewish intellectuals"?

This is, in effect, how Jewish writer, Ari Shavit, refers to the neocons in his article "White Man's Burden," published in 2003 in the online version of Israeli newspaper, Haaretz.

The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=280279

Does this mean that Ari Shavit and Haaretz.com are anti-Sem*i*tic, too?

[nicknameless]

19. The NeoCons have added a bullet point of their own.

Education in society is to be suppressed, because it leads to critical thinking and dissent.

[Pacifist Patriot]

53. A most definite corrollary.

[chknltl]

20. Bookmarked, nominated and kicked nt

[BlueStateBlue]

22. kick

:kick:

[Democrat 4 Ever]

23. This subject was discussed at DU a while back. That thread led me

to an online video about this very subject. I have been racking my brain trying to recall where the video was posted, etc. It was about an hour long and full of information about the neocon agenda dating back to the early 60s and Nixon's loss to Kennedy. Basically put forth the idea of keeping the masses "stupid" (limit higher education) and shift nation thinking to materialism as a means to control.

The video was fascinating and I would highly recommend it to everyone if I could just remember where I watched it.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

[FredStembottom]

28. Wow! Lightning bolt moment for me.

I've been saying to people for about 20 years that I have felt - just felt - that the Uber-message filtering throught the media - always in the background - is that an American's highest duty is to always be thoroughly entertained. Nothing else. Just stay happily goofed on entertainment - doesn't matter what type.

And my point to people was that I felt - merely felt - that there was more behind that message than just various corporations wishing to sell more forms of entertainment.

I couldn't reconcile my good Minnesota public school educaion (which was chock full of the _idea_ of America and the concpts on which it was founded) with the utter, total absense of any of those ideals in the general media after about 1980. Just too complete.

I especially wondered at the disappearance of the skepticism I remember as a boy that the older folks held when it came to mere entertainment. There were always admonitions to simply "not watch too much TV" or go to the movies too much etc. Now gone.

And now you present me with an actual PLAN that strives to fashion societies this way on purpose!

Un-freakin'-believable! And I gotta hope that that isn't how we got here.

[Tinoire]

30. The Power of Nightmares / BBC exposes the American NeoCons

The Power of Nightmares / BBC exposes the American NeoCons: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2876040

Is that what you're thinking of? There are links in that thread so people can watch it... Also there were posts by other DUers later on that had even better links but I don't have those links handy.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

43. Thank you. That is exactly what I was thinking of. I watched the

entire video and was riveted. I will bookmark right now so I won't forget again. Anyone who hasn't had the opportunity to watch The Power of Nightmares should - asap - and then send it to every single one of your family and friends.

[catzies]

24. SECULARISM LEADS TO CRITICAL THINKING

:wow:
Can I get a, -ahem- amen? ;)

This extraneous comment is brough to you by Catzies, and also serves as a :kick:

[Pacifist Patriot]

52. AMEN!

:toast:

[alphafemale]

54. How about - Ayyy, Men! Ayyy, Women! Wake the Fu-k UP!

Oh and ... kick

[chaska]

26. Hmm, quite coincidentally (I think) The Majority Report is discussing this

tonight. Leo Strauss, specifically. I just came back from their website.

It was, or will be (depending on where you are in the country), in hour 3.

[ms liberty]

32. Coincidence, or syncronicity?

I believe there are no coincidences - or at least, very few. You just have to keep your eyes and mind open to them.

[windbreeze]

33. Nope, not coincidence

No such thing...this has been planned for decades...I posted the other night something along this line on another thread...that I feel it started back when Kennedy was assassinated...what was it Johnson said?...that IF we knew the truth about the assassination, there would be chaos in the streets...and then you have to remember Operation Northwoods, the plan to attack our own people, that our own military and high ups wanted to initiate in order to take Castro out...and Kennedy nixed the plan...well, Wolfowitz and some of these other guys were around then, and knew about that plan...then go forward to 9/11...and it begins to sound damned familiar...on to the present, and the situation with our rights being being eroded, and all the things mentioned in the original post...it's all part of a very large picture...I just hope we find a way out of the mess we're in, before it's too late...
windbreeze

[windbreeze]

34. Second Generation Student means

That Wolfowitz's father was taught by the same man...second generation...meaning father/son...studied under the same teacher...(so he was really indoctrinated)
windbreeze

[nikraye]

63. another example of 2nd generation:

William Kristol, cofounder of PNAC, who didn't fall far from the proverbial apple tree. His father is Irving Kristol, who has earned the nickname of "Godfather of the neoconservative movement"

William Kristol: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/kristol/kristol.php

Irving Kristol: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/kristol_i/kristol_i.php

[Nothing Without Hope]

47. This and the info in the comments need to be remembered by us all. n/t

[ArkDem]

55. His 501's are hard to beat!

[BamaBecky]

57. Done...sent it to everybody! n/t

[Vladimir]

61. The most infuriating thing about Strauss' ideology

is that we have been here so many times before... some lessons never seem to be learnt.

[calimary]

64. And this guy FLED the Nazis? Good Lord, it sounds like he WAS one.

It looks as though Leo Strauss liked deception an awful lot. Liars of a feather, I suppose...

[chaska]

65. Should I kick this some more?

What the hell.