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kerryin2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:38 PM
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Did ROve serve in Vietnam?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:39 PM
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1. That chicken-shit coward?
:rofl:
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kerryin2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:40 PM
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3. He never served in the military?
I wonder what branch he was in?
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kerryin2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:40 PM
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4. He never served in the military?
I wonder what branch he was in?
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:40 PM
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2. Nope ...
surprised?
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:41 PM
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5. No. He got three years' worth of deferments.
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 09:55 PM by evlbstrd
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:42 PM
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6. Serve? That jerk is too arrogant to serve a turkey.
Oh wait -- he does.
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liberaliraqvet26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:42 PM
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7. yeah right...
how many in the bush admin actually served in the military
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:42 PM
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8. Rove was a draft dodger
Like Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, etc. Here is the list of chickenhawks.

Democrats

David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, etc
Jimmy Carter: Lt. Commander in the Navy 1946-53
Wesley Clark: Army 1966-2000, Vietnam, Silver star, purple heart
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver/Bronze stars, Vietnam
Bill Clinton: Did not serve
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze star
Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57
John Edwards: Did not serve
Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs; Air Medal w/18 Clusters
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam as journalist
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74
Howell Heflin: Silver star, WWII
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze star
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver/Bronze stars, purple hearts
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII
Jim McDermott: Navy 1968-70
George McGovern: Silver star & DFC during WWII
Zell Miller: Marine Corps, 1953-56
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-53
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver star, etc
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze star, Korea
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-79; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91
Chuck Robb: U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70, Vietnam
Pete stark: Air Force 1955-57
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart


Republicans

Spencer Abraham: Did not serve
Eliot Abrams: Did not serve
Richard Armitage: Navy, three tours in Vietnam
John Ashcroft: Did not serve
Roy Blunt: Did not serve
Michael Bloomberg: Did not serve
John Bolton: Did not serve
George H.W. Bush: Youngest Navy pilot in WW II; awarded DFC
George W. Bush: Texas Air Nat. Guard; didn't take physical; suspended from flying; skipped out on most of his drills the last 2 years of duty.
Jeb Bush: Did not serve
Neil Bush: Did not serve
Andy Card: Did not serve
Saxby Chambliss: Did not serve. Attacked Cleland's patriotism
Dick Cheney: Did not serve
Christopher Cox: Did not serve
Tom DeLay: Did not serve
Bob Dole: Army in WWII, Bronze star, two purple hearts
Bob Dornan: Enlisted after fighting was over in Korea
John Engler: Did not serve
Dan Evans: Did not serve
Douglas Feith: Did not serve
Gerald Ford: Lt. Commander, Navy in WWII
Bill Frist: Did not serve
Newt Gingrich: Did not serve
Rudy Giuliani: Did not serve
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer
Phil Gramm: Did not serve
Chuck Hagel: Served in Vietnam, two Bronze stars and purple heart
Dennis Hastert: Did not serve
Tim Hutchison: Did not serve
Jack Kemp: Did not serve. "Knee problem," continued in NFL for 8 years
Jon Kyl: Did not serve
Scooter Libby: Did not serve
Trent Lott: Did not serve
Richard Lugar: Intelligence officer in Navy 1957-60
John McCain: POW in Vietnam, Legion of Merit, Silver star, DFC, many more
Mitch McConnell: Did not serve
John McHugh: Did not serve
Don Nichols: Did not serve
George Pataki: Did not serve
Richard Perle: Did not serve
Colin Powell: 35 years in Army, 4-star general
Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard
Ronald Reagan: Served in WWII making movies
Condi Rice: Did not serve
Tom Ridge: Army in Vietnam, Bronze star
Dana Rohrabacher: Did not serve
Karl Rove: Did not serve
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor
Rick Santorum: Did not serve
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base
Richard Shelby: Did not serve
JC Watts: Did not serve
Vin Weber: Did not serve
Paul Wolfowitz: Did not serve

Pundits, Preachers, and Judges

Roger Ailes (Fox News Chief): Did not serve
Gary Bauer: Did not serve
Bill Bennett: Did not serve
Wolf Blitzer: Did not serve
Neil Bortz: Did not serve
Pat Buchanan: Did not serve
William Buckley: Army in WWII
Anne Coulter: Did not serve
Charlie Daniels: Did not serve
Lou Dobbs: Did not serve
Jerry Falwell: Did not serve
Paul Gigot: Did not serve
Sean Hannity: Did not serve
William Kristol: Did not serve
Jim Lehrer: U.S. Marine Corps
Rush Limbaugh: Did not serve
Chris Matthews: Did not serve
Michael Medved: Did not serve
Ted Nugent: Did not serve
Bill O'Reilly: Did not serve
Dan Rather: Army Reserve
Ralph Reed: Did not serve
Michael Savage: Did not serve
Antonin Scalia: Did not serve
Joe Scarborough: Did not serve
Kenneth Starr: Did not serve
Clarence Thomas: Did not serve
George Will: Did not serve
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:42 PM
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9. He's mom committed suicide and he hasn't gotten over it.
Senator Reid's father committed suicide and he grew up and became a leader, Rove grew up and became a poisonous POX on the US society and the world.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:42 PM
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10. You're kidding, right?
:) Sorry, don't mean to be a smart-ass, but he is the prototype chicken hawk.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:43 PM
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11. mmmmmfff
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You stop that! :D
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:43 PM
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12. Are you kidding. Of course not. None of them served in Nam.
Cheney -- the Master of War -- got FIVE, count 'em, FIVE deferrments. Rover had several as well.

Rumsfelt served in peace time and then was in the Reserves for a number of years.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:43 PM
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13. Nah, he's a chicken hawk coward just like the rest of 'em. Cheney the Dick
got 5 deferments; Chimpy deserted; Rummy was a coward; Colin Powell was about the only one in this sorry-ass unelected misadministration with military service, I think.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:43 PM
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14. Are you kidding?
rove is the original ChickenSHIThawk!
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crizzo5137 Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:46 PM
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15. Operation Yellow Elephant!!!
Its been working well for over 35 years...



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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:50 PM
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16. The only "service" Rove would have provided in Nam...
would not have been military.

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:52 PM
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17. CHICKENHAWKS of the rich and treasonous
CHICKENHAWKS of the rich and treasonous..
video is very dark humour..bout 5 minutes..

I served in VN and I enjoyed the video

'flight of the chikenhawks' video
list of chickenhawks
http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_acti ...

Chickenhawk n. A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal experience with war; most emphatically when that lack of experience came in spite of ample opportunity in that person’s youthhttp://www.symbolman.com/chickenhawks.html

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chicken ...

Ho Chi Mien had one long party..those neo-cons coulda fulfilled their every fantasy from dope to babes to torture...

EVERYBODY WAS INVITED!!

Agent Orange
PTSD
VA hassles
rejection by WW II vets
continuing stereotype's as dopers,baby killers,crazies
losers for serving and "losing" the war
divorce
suicides



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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:57 PM
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18. Great post dbeach. I was drafted during Vietnam
but got lucky and spent two years in the States. Here is an updated list of all the chickenhawks. Send it to everyone you know.

Democrats

David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, etc
Jimmy Carter: Lt. Commander in the Navy 1946-53
Wesley Clark: Army 1966-2000, Vietnam, Silver star, purple heart
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver/Bronze stars, Vietnam
Bill Clinton: Did not serve
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze star
Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57
John Edwards: Did not serve
Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs; Air Medal w/18 Clusters
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam as journalist
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74
Howell Heflin: Silver star, WWII
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze star
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver/Bronze stars, purple hearts
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII
Jim McDermott: Navy 1968-70
George McGovern: Silver star & DFC during WWII
Zell Miller: Marine Corps, 1953-56
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-53
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver star, etc
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze star, Korea
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-79; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91
Chuck Robb: U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70, Vietnam
Pete stark: Air Force 1955-57
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart


Republicans

Spencer Abraham: Did not serve
Eliot Abrams: Did not serve
Richard Armitage: Navy, three tours in Vietnam
John Ashcroft: Did not serve
Roy Blunt: Did not serve
Michael Bloomberg: Did not serve
John Bolton: Did not serve
George H.W. Bush: Youngest Navy pilot in WW II; awarded DFC
George W. Bush: Texas Air Nat. Guard; didn't take physical; suspended from flying; skipped out on most of his drills the last 2 years of duty.
Jeb Bush: Did not serve
Neil Bush: Did not serve
Andy Card: Did not serve
Saxby Chambliss: Did not serve. Attacked Cleland's patriotism
Dick Cheney: Did not serve
Christopher Cox: Did not serve
Tom DeLay: Did not serve
Bob Dole: Army in WWII, Bronze star, two purple hearts
Bob Dornan: Enlisted after fighting was over in Korea
John Engler: Did not serve
Dan Evans: Did not serve
Douglas Feith: Did not serve
Gerald Ford: Lt. Commander, Navy in WWII
Bill Frist: Did not serve
Newt Gingrich: Did not serve
Rudy Giuliani: Did not serve
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer
Phil Gramm: Did not serve
Chuck Hagel: Served in Vietnam, two Bronze stars and purple heart
Dennis Hastert: Did not serve
Tim Hutchison: Did not serve
Jack Kemp: Did not serve. "Knee problem," continued in NFL for 8 years
Jon Kyl: Did not serve
Scooter Libby: Did not serve
Trent Lott: Did not serve
Richard Lugar: Intelligence officer in Navy 1957-60
John McCain: POW in Vietnam, Legion of Merit, Silver star, DFC, many more
Mitch McConnell: Did not serve
John McHugh: Did not serve
Don Nichols: Did not serve
George Pataki: Did not serve
Richard Perle: Did not serve
Colin Powell: 35 years in Army, 4-star general
Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard
Ronald Reagan: Served in WWII making movies
Condi Rice: Did not serve
Tom Ridge: Army in Vietnam, Bronze star
Dana Rohrabacher: Did not serve
Karl Rove: Did not serve
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor
Rick Santorum: Did not serve
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base
Richard Shelby: Did not serve
JC Watts: Did not serve
Vin Weber: Did not serve
Paul Wolfowitz: Did not serve

Pundits, Preachers, and Judges

Roger Ailes (Fox News Chief): Did not serve
Gary Bauer: Did not serve
Bill Bennett: Did not serve
Wolf Blitzer: Did not serve
Neil Bortz: Did not serve
Pat Buchanan: Did not serve
William Buckley: Army in WWII
Anne Coulter: Did not serve
Charlie Daniels: Did not serve
Lou Dobbs: Did not serve
Jerry Falwell: Did not serve
Paul Gigot: Did not serve
Sean Hannity: Did not serve
William Kristol: Did not serve
Jim Lehrer: U.S. Marine Corps
Rush Limbaugh: Did not serve
Chris Matthews: Did not serve
Michael Medved: Did not serve
Ted Nugent: Did not serve
Bill O'Reilly: Did not serve
Dan Rather: Army Reserve
Ralph Reed: Did not serve
Michael Savage: Did not serve
Antonin Scalia: Did not serve
Joe Scarborough: Did not serve
Kenneth Starr: Did not serve
Clarence Thomas: Did not serve
George Will: Did not serve
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:05 PM
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19. You served! the chikenhhawks planned to overthrow the govt at U Chicago


in 1970s and they did it!!! And they are worshipped as heroes by the sheeple..
People should study and read about Strauss and chicago and the bush dynasty..



http://www.counterpunch.org/boyle08022003.html

"My Alma Mater is a Moral Cesspool"
Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies and the University of Chicago
By FRANCIS A. BOYLE
Professor of Law, University of Illinois School of Law

"It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the terrible tragedy of September 11, 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli "Neoconservative" Deputy Paul Wolfowitz began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda . But that made no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-cons in the Bush Jr. administration.

These pro-Israeli Neo-cons had been schooled in the Machiavellian/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss, who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in their Department of Political Science. The best expose of Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor Shadia B. Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (1988); Leo Strauss and the American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was trained in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's foremost protege, co-author, and literary executor Joseph Cropsey. Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's Political Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I concur completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the degradation of the American political process by Chicago's Straussian cabal.

Chicago routinely trained me and numerous other students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is precisely why so many neophyte Neo-con students gravitated towards the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. The University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft received his law degree from the University of Chicago in 1967. Many of his "lawyers" at the Department of Injustice are members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, and totalitarian Federalist Society (aka "Feddies"), which originated in part at the University of Chicago"
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waynew706 Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:14 PM
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20. Com'on you guy's....
These are just a bunch of good ol boy's from Texas ( except GW by the way) having some fun here. What's so wrong with that? sarcasium... ugh
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