Democrats have knowledge of HIGH CRIMES...what should they do?

[Q]

There is now proof 'beyond a reasonable doubt' that the Bush administration lied our nation into war and are directly responsible for the deaths of untold numbers of innocent people that had nothing to do with 9-11 or terrorism and for unnecessarily putting American soldiers in harm's way.

The Bush administration has also obstructed justice in the matter of the 9-11 investigations and have 'aided and abetted' terrorists by classifying all documents and information regarding the Saudi Royal Family's connection to the financing of terrorism and their long-standing business relationship with the Bush Family.

How should the Democratic Leadership respond?

1. Pretend it never happened and worry instead about their 'electability' and appeal to 'swing voters'.

2. High-Profile Democrats should stay out of the fray and let 'lesser known' representatives like Conyers take all the flak.

3. Every Democratic leader should join forces and demand that George Bush and Dick Cheney be investigated and tried for High Crimes against the United States of America.

Our country needs a Loyal Opposition now more than ever.

[whistle]

1. I pick option #3:

3. Every Democratic leader should join forces and demand that George Bush and Dick Cheney be investigated and tried for High Crimes against the United States of America.

That's why they were voted into office.

[Atman]

2. Ask Sensebrener for permission to convene in a broom closet to discuss it

*sigh*

We've become the Pussy Party. And I don't mean that in the college frat-boy way.

[Monkie]

3. Impeach now! err did i just say that? Appease NOW! n/t

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[Q]

5. They can't make a case for investigations OR impeachment...

...if they refuse to talk about it in the public forum.

We shouldn't be demanding impeachment at this point....but for full investigations into the growing evidence that Bush intentionally lied this nation into an unnecessary and illegal war. (Even Perle admitted that it was illegal).

Let's not worry about impeachment. Democrats must call for investigations and hearings and not relent until that happens.

[salin]

9. Hard to do in DeLay's Congress

they should speak out - at all levels - 'til there has been enough airwaves time that the public starts to hear it... in a way that starts to shape public sentiment.

But even then, unless the GOP members start to fear for their own political hides... the dems are powerless to actually do anything other than symbolic.

However, in talking about it - over and over again - and getting resistance that becomes more visible from the GOPcongress and the WH - they will further create the image of a recalcitrant GOP more concerned about politics and power than about the abuse of power that took us to an elective war under false premises ...lying to the people and to the world to do so. Point is - long term damage could be inflicted to the GOP - though it will take elections to reap the benefits (eg taking over one or both houses of congress).

Just my opinion.

[Q]

14. This is exactly how the GOPers impeached Clinton...

...they kept talking about it in the media...making it appear that Clinton had something to HIDE if he didn't agree to investigations and special prosecutors.

The RWingers know how to use the media and to keep the topics THEY WANT in the news. Democrats need to do the same thing: talk this issue to death. Bring up different angles. Send out dozens of pundits to describe why it's important to NOT let this issue die and what it means to the American people and especially those fighting for Bush's Lie.

Connected to these LIES about war is the WAR PROFITEERING and the Bush government literally 'losing' billions of dollars. We're bring robbed in broad daylight and the Bushies are getting away with it.

Impeachment is NOT the goal. The goal is to let the People know the truth about this corrupt and heartless government that sends our kids off to die for no other reason than to fill the pockets of his corporate sponsors.

THESE ARE HIGH CRIMES and it's the responsibility and duty of the opposition party to investigate and make sure they're prosecuted.

[Pepperbelly]

57. You are leaving out a very important fact, Q

The gops had a majority in Congress. We do not.

[peacetalksforall]

6. 9-11 and the massacre in Iraq AND PAPER. We were victims of

thieves in the past three elections - in the land of democracy - all the crimes of this administration and all their supporters - their crimes know no limits in this century - crimes against us, against Iraqis, against victims of many lands, and against the earth is because of the stolen elections.

What to do? Fight for paper and hand counting.

They stole the election so that they could commit more crimes. They are determined to destroy this country and corral the people.

Paper and hand counting.

Secondly...don't get stuck on talking about 'the Bush family'. They play a part. They have agreed to be up front faces and mouthpieces in favorable positions. There are thousands and thousands who stand behind them, thousands who put them there, protect them, thousands who make excuses for them. Getting rid of a bush is not going to mean much. Know your ENEMIES. Plural. Figure out what to do about the the entity.

The people must stop this or we are slaves. Including the wealthy.

[Kazak]

34. Also, perhaps we should take measures to...

try to catch the republicans in the act of "fixing" the election.

[Q]

42. "Paper and hand counting"

I agree that election fraud is one of the most important issues and must be debated. But the Democratic Leadership hasn't done much about THAT issue either.

On the other hand...the DSM has brought the LIES AND DECEPTIONS that drove this nation to war to the forefront and it gives us a way to bring down Bush's house of cards. It's in the news RIGHT NOW and could be used to start a series of investigations that could get to the bottom of other matters...like election fraud and civil rights abuses.

But the High Crime of lying a nation into war is what we need to concentrate on and keep in the news.

Let's not let it fall down the memory hole like Bush's inability to capture bin Laden, find the Anthrax killer(s) or the traitors who betrayed Plame.

[kentuck]

7. They cannot get the Repubs in Congress to go along, therefore...

they should go around them. They should appeal to the people in every Cngressional District to bring these people to justice, Democrats and Republicans. The only way the partisan Repubs in the Congress and Senate can be brought around is from the pressure of the voters in their individual districts. That is the best way to handle this problem, imo.

[Q]

11. You're right...they should APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE with a...

...public relations campaign. They should bring this issue up at every opportunity. The leadership should refuse to be distracted with discussions about 'apologies' and other crap meant to divert attention AWAY from the criminals in the WH.

I've heard enough excuses. We're talking about HIGH CRIMES and the unnecessary deaths of thousands of innocents. We're talking about SENDING AMERICANS TO FIGHT AND DIE FOR A LIE.

What's more important than this?

[Al-CIAda]

15. Yes sir. n/t

[paulk]

8. Conyers is the ranking member of the House Judiciary Commitee

that is the Committee that would be investigating the DSM if the House wasn't controlled by the Republicans.

Your contention that "lesser known" Democrats are carrying the ball on this is false.

If Democrats were in control, Conyers would still be the one leading the charge.



There is a process to be followed for investigating Bush and Cheney - Kery's letter of inquiry (for which he is collecting signatures) is the first step of that process in the Senate.

[Q]

12. Aren't you tired of the excuses?

For how much longer can we apologize for our leadership's inaction?

There is no 'process' when it comes to getting the attention of the American people. It's about getting the truth out RIGHT NOW...not waiting for some imaginary 'right time and place'.

The way things are going...the high crimes of this WH will fall down the memory hole before the Democrats can get their shit together. How many times have we seen this happen?

The time to act is now...while Conyers has the attention of the corporate media. It's time for Kerry and others to support Conyers and keep the pressure on for investigations and hearings.

And there WILL BE HEARINGS if enough Democrats act in concert and insist that Bush and Cheney aren't ABOVE THE LAW.

[rman]

10. 4. Hope the sheeple won't notice, and carry on with Business as usual.

-

[Dem4now]

13. Forget impeachment, concentrate on the positives such as

reducing payroll taxes on the working poor, make ALL earnings subject
to payroll tax (instead of the current payroll tax limited to first 90k),
rescinding tax breaks for the very rich earning over quarter
million/year, geting our soldiers out of the chaos in Iraq, reducing air and water pollution etc etc.

Our politicians should be making loud noise about our agenda instead of
wasting time going after lame duck Boosh & Chaynee.

[Q]

16. How can we morally and ethically 'forget' high crimes against this country

Remember that little oath our representatives took about 'protecting and defending' the Constitution?

And how can YOU even suggest that it's okay for a president to lie this nation into a war and get away with it? What you're saying is that Bush is above the law. That the rule of law applies only to Democrats.

No. We can't just 'forget' about high crimes in order to promote our agenda and be 'positive'.

In fact...we have no choice but to investigate and prosecute Bush and Cheney and the rest of his lying administration. We know they broke the law. We become complicit and no better than they if we choose to ignore it.

[Dem4now]

35. Because I want the next president to be a DEM.....so we best

take the most practical approach and not necessarily the
most ideological. But I understand your emotions.

[newyawker99]

17. Hi Dem4now!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Dr Fate]

20. Discussing the Iraq War is a waste of time????????????????

This is similar to the "old news" excuse for not discussing the DSM, isn't it?

[Dem4now]

36. Iraq war discussion will not add many votes in our column...

that is what I want VOTES! So we can inaugurate a democrat
in the white house.

[Q]

18. After seeing some of the responses on this thread...

...I no longer wonder why Democrats are in the minority and thought of as the party without direction or resolve.

We're no longer the party of justice and equal rights.

Most Democrats simply don't expect much from their leadership. They don't expect them to do the right thing...just 'win' elections by coddling those in power.

If the Democratic party allows Bush to escape justice on THIS issue...where thousands of lives have been lost and thousands more will die...then they can rightfully expect to be in the minority for a very long time.

The Democratic leadership should be ashamed that they're doing little or nothing as Bush rapes and plunders with impunity.

[KoKo]

21. I had a horrible thought last night about this and still can't shake it...

Didn't even want to post it, but I'll put it here, since you brought it up.

The Democratics on the Foreign Relations Committee, Intelligence Committe and Armed Services Committee were informed of the step up in bombing raids prior to the final Invasion. I think it's DSM II which describes what we and the Brits were doing. That means to many of us who didn't support Iraq Invasion that Congress was lied to before the Iraq War Resolution came to a vote.

But, what if the members in those "Select Committees" were made aware of what Bush, Poppy and Cheney were doing.(Presidents always consult with House and Senate about major moves like this.) And they were sworn to secrecy. But, they gave approval. We need to remember that this was before the Mid-Term Elections and Dems still had a Majority of one in the Senate meaning we controlled the Committees.

If this horrible thought I had could be true then it would explain both Kerry and Edwards adamant support for Iraq Invasion. And, I know, personally, that Edwards was totally committed to the Invasion. Those of us who were against it never could understand why he refused to talk with us and his communications about our questions were always answered with a form letter sounding like Scott McClellan.

Kerry and Edwards and Rockefeller and the rest signed onto the pre-invasion bombing. And, that's why during the campaign and since Kerry, at least, has seemed to stumble around on reasons he supported the final Iraq Resolution. Senator Kennedy did not sign on to any of it.

It's the only answer I can come up with as to why our Democratic leaders can't seem to address the DSM's. And, if my theory is correct I don't know what this means for our country because it was either Dem Leadership endorsement of Bush "Doctrine of Pre-Emptive Strike," or complete and utter incompetence. :shrug:

I hope I'm wrong about this.

[Q]

22. There's something very wrong...

...with the way the Dem leadership is handling this whole DSM affair. They act as if...along with the Bushies...they have something to hide.

It's as if they've been complicit in this all along and now have to figure out a way to talk about the issue without exposing their involvement. They can't single Bush out for blame because the 'preemptive war' was truly a 'bipartisan' effort.

It's not 'incompetence'. It's no coincidence that the DLC warhawks in the party leadership signed on to this invasion and occupation from the beginning and labels anyone that question the motives for this 'war' as anti-American or conspiracy nuts.

In other words...factions in both parties...the neocons and the neodems...are helping Bush cover his trail. They both intend to keep this 'war' going on for generations. The profits are just too great for them to come up with an 'exit plan'.

[KoKo]

27. I'm not sure any more if it's "profits."

Because there aren't any coming from Iraq. Now in Afghanistan the "drug trade" is even MORE than it was before the invasion. And, I do believe the Bushies and everyone else has always made "Mucho Bucks" off the "poppy/drug" trade and that THIS is what allows Greenspan to continue the US Govt. to now be issuing "paper" to pick up the "slack" in our US Bond Buying" whenever the Japanes or the Chinese "slack off" and don't keep proping our huge Mortgate and "other debt."

I think the whole "Scheme" goes beyond what most folks can deal with and that's why Rove is successful in getting us into "dog or cat fights."

The "Trivial" becomes the food for those of us in America who are just trying to get by...raise our families and are looking for some reason to line up at the corrupt airports for "Homeland Security Checks" and the rest of the crap today we deal with...to excuse it all as "You are Safer..if you SUBMIT!...Yadda...Yadda...Yadda.

The constant "distractions" and "shoving in our face Dismantling of EVERY SOCIAL PROGRAM worked and fought for since FDR...does make one wonder what they HELL ARE THEY ALL (Dem of some stripes and REPUGS of ALL STRIPES) Covering Up?

Well...they are covering up ALL of it that went on since Richard Nixon was President. And their hatred and "Grudge List" goes well beyond what most of us could even imagine in the scope and depth of their vindictiveness.

Goldwater,Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas...and Vietnam, Cuba and Soviet Union. Now the "list" is longer of their grievances. :-(

The list of the Repugs is long and like those poor maligned Elephants they chose as their symbol...they NEVER FORGET!

[Q]

31. The BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars pouring into Iraq...

...isn't going towards reconstruction or to 'support the troops'. It's going into defense contractor and war profiteer bank accounts and greasing the corporate wheels to buy the next election for the GOPers. Iraq is just one big scandal...with billions of dollars in CASH being carted off and never seen again. Where is it going? Who is being paid off? Will anyone be held accountable?

I guess we'll see what shakes out in the next week or so. I have lost faith that the Democratic leadership will rise to the occasion and have this sinking feeling they're more concerned with their own political careers than finding a way out of the Iraq killing fields.

[KoKo]

32. Iraq "Killing Fields." and Vietnam "Killing Fields" and Korea and Spanish

American War and the "Indian Wars," and on and on and on.

We Americans are a "Warlike People." We came here all as immigrants with some kind of agression. Otherwise we wouldn't have gotten out of where we were and survived. We have some genes that keep coming forward...it seems. How else can I explain it? I'm English/French/Scotch/Irish... is it my problem? Any more than the Italian, German, Slavs, Russians, Asians, etc. who've come later than my ancestors?

How do we explain why we always fall so easily into agressive behavior?

That said...it's time we confronted our transgressions. And long time since our "Brit Conspirators" confronted theirs.

I hope a NEW DAY will dawn before it's too late. But, Civilization seems to favor the Conqueror and the Agressor over the "Pacifist, Insular" who want to build peace from within and be "self sufficient." The Swiss have managed. But they are a tiny country and fierce in their managing of others by controlling them financially.

We will never be a "small country" again. But, our Imperial Asperations make me think we retrograde in time. And makes me wonder if where we came from might not be better than where we are given the "endless Bush Dynasty" where sons keep coming and they always seem so innocent and clueless yet they are the most evil of all because of their "mild, unassuming appearance" and the evermore incideous behavior of our Mainstream Media which only trashes the families of Democrats and Not those of the Republican "Heirs to Dynasty--the Annointed Ones." :-(
.

Whatever...

[Q]

44. The people may be 'warlike'- but it's always the LEADERS that start wars..

...and this time they started a 'war' when a group from Saudi flew airplanes into buildings. Without showing the 'warlike' American people a bit of evidence detailing who committed these crimes against us...the Bush WH 'declared' a perpetual war that would 'last a generation' on enemies of their own choosing. They manufactured evidence and then kept it secret so that no one could challenge their motive for attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9-11.

The real problem here is the coverup involving 9-11. The 'rigged' commissions. The 'agreement' on the part of the Democrats on the 'bipartisan' commissions to not make the Bush WH part of the investigations and to allow them to 'testify' without taking an oath to tell the truth.

[TahitiNut]

38. (heh... heh... heh...) Yep.

:thumbsup:

[Dr Fate]

19. play it safe, work to impress swing voters, be nice, apologize.

Dont rock the boat.

I say we keep listening to the Strategists who lost the last 3 elections- they will get it right sooner or later.

[LightningFlash]

39. Oh yes, don't rock the boat....

My ass, check out Howard Dean's new face of the party. :mad: :mad:

http://www.democrats.org

Never apologize, NEVER move on, take the subtleties of option 3 literally.....

[Independent_Liberal]

23. Impeach now!

www.wallacevbushlawsuit.com

www.dougwallace.com

www.recallthecongress.com

RECALL THE CONGRESS!

SMASH THE PNAC!

IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY!

[Q]

24. Let's demand investigations...

...and if that leads to impeachment...so be it.

But we CAN'T just ignore these HIGH CRIMES. If some Dems are involved...they'll just have suffer the consequences of sleeping with the enemy.

[Jai4WKC08]

25. Do whatever...

... and I mean WHATEVER it takes to win back the House in 2006 so an impeachment can begin.

It's stupid to put it all out on the table now, when there's nothing that can be done with it. In two years, it'll be "old news" and the public will be more interested in which celeb is on trial.

So yes, keep it alive and stirring in the back of people's heads, create doubt, make Repub congressman look ridiculous for their lockstep support of outrageous actions. But hold the best stuff, proof, until it's time to make it work for us. Think strategically.

[Q]

28. Strategically...or moral relativism and situational ethics?

Sorry...but I just don't understand your attitude. Since when do we condone waiting to seek justice until we can use it to our political advantage? Doesn't this sound just like what the Bushie Republicans would do?

We have knowledge of a crime being committed against the Constitution and the American/Iraqi people. The priority here should be to uphold the 'rule of law' and show the world that the Bush junta is not above the law.

[Jai4WKC08]

45. Moral relativism or pragmatism?

I have some trouble understanding your attitude as well.

For me it's not a matter of "political advantage." It's a matter of looking for the course of action that has the greatest chance of working.

That's not to say I don't appreciate the value of people like you making noise and raising issues and voicing your rage. It keeps the issues alive, and it keeps pressure our too often weak-kneed leadership. But this is about more than idealism and the way the system is supposed to work. I think we all agree on what would be ideal, or most of us do.

But the Bushies are killing people. And they're destroying any semblance of democracy this country has ever known. I want them gone as soon as possible (and the damage they're doing limited as much as possible until they can be gotten rid of), and I don't believe you have offered a course of action that stands a chance in hell of succeeding. As long as we have a Republican House and Senate, it'll be just so much pissing in the wind.

[Elwood P Dowd]

26. The Bush crime family has been breaking the law for over 60 years

and except for Prescott's little scrape in the 40s, absolutely nothing has been done.

[KoKo]

37. Heck...most Americans don't even know Bush has brothers besides Jeb!

The others are as evil. Yet we knew everything about Carter's brother and his "Billy Bob Beer" and Clinton's brother who had that "drug problem." And, look at what happened to the Kennedy Brothers? Bobby and Teddy? Chappaquidick and Marilyn Monroe...all the rest of it.

How do we separate what the Media did in the past from the Whore Media today? The Mainstream Media has always hated Dems and trashed their families.

Those of us who've been around have seen it. We just didn't have all the pieces together until the "Chimp" came on the scene. And, still we don't hear about the rest of them...Marvin and Neil...(Nanny's run over in the driveway and Asian Call Girls knocking on the door in hotel rooms and Savings and Loan Lossses and Chinese Payoffs for "Computer Consulting" in the millions) ...and who knows what the heck the sister is up to...:shrug:

[socalover]

29. If we lived in a democracy, option 3 would work but I have lost all faith

in the political system in America....

[Q]

30. You've nicely defined the problem:

Americans have lost faith in their government and Democrats have lost faith in their party.

Why have they lost faith? Because crooks like Bush & Cheney can break the law and not only get away with it...but ridicule and intimidate those who demand that they be held accountable.

The Bush Republicans are laughing at us. They KNOW that our so-called leadership won't do anything to stop them.

You're not alone. Millions of Americans have lost all faith that right will win over wrong and good over bad. They've given up because there is no opposition party and no one to seek justice in their names.

[Independent_Liberal]

33. Understandable...

It's easy to see why so many have lost faith. But we have to get back up and fight like hell. That's one thing we must do.

NGU

[Q]

43. Which is why it's important to contact your representatives...

...and let them know how you feel on this issue. It's their job to fight for you and the Constitution.

[ngGale]

40. Number three, speak to the people and rally together...

against the corruption. They need to stand together just like the opposition does. Forget the middle ground, there is none. Our democracy is at stake - both parties should demand this in a free society.

[Q]

41. At least there shouldn't be a 'middle' when America's democracy is...

...under attack.

Liberals and Progressives are having a hard time being heard about IraqGate because they have two 'right-wings' working against them:

The 'radical' RWing of the Republican party. (Neocons, theocratic zealots)

The 'corporate' RWing of the Democratic party. (New Democrats, third wayers)

The New Democrats would have you believe that a majority of the Democratic rank and file support the Iraq invasion and occupation. But from where I'm standing it looks like it's just a small faction of the party that's keeping the rest in line. They are the 'neocons' of the Democratic party. They WANT war (for their corporate backers) and they don't care a whit that it's unnecessary or illegal.

The Neocons and Neodems have their new 'cold war' and the type of faceless, nameless enemy that defense contractors and warhawks love. But they have a problem on the 'homefront': Liberals and Progressives stand in the way of their perpetual war based on lies and deceptions.

[Zhade]

46. Good question.

Depends on the Dem politician. I don't see a lot of leaders.

[mvd]

47. They should stand behind Conyers

Many of them act like Conyers doesn't exist. Then, they should take things from there. I believe you that there's enough evidence, so why not produce it out in the open? Many voters are having the same doubts we at DU are. They just don't get the whole story.

[Q]

56. We shouldn't forget that more than a few Dems wanted this 'war'...

...and supported it from the very beginning. For them to admit now that BUSH LIED would mean that they supported a war that they KNEW wasn't necessary or that they simply didn't care as long as they 'looked patriotic' to the voters.

The EVIDENCE is out in the open. It's right there for all to see. Just the Downing Street Memo/Minutes is enough to REQUIRE representatives to call for hearings and investigations.

If voters have doubts it's because they're waiting to see how their representatives handle the situation. If Democrats do nothing...voters assume it wasn't important enough to get their attention.

Democratic leaders simply have no choice. Their oaths of office require that they protect and defend the Constitution. Now that they have even more evidence that Bush lied this nation into war...they have no option but to pursue it and demand hearings and investigations. It's their obligation to the people. It's their duty.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

48. Because the media and the Repubs will not make it easy...

the Dems need to do an end run around the Washington establishment.

All of them go to their home districts regularly. All of them have franking privileges, the ability to write to their constituents for free (A pile of newsletters from my Congressman, one for every apartment, came to my building in this morning's mail). All of them have what amounts to open access to their local media, especially the senators. If Senator A and Congresscritter B talk up impeachment at every meeting with constituents, the word will get out.

Remember the key word: END RUN.

When the U.S. government wouldn't let reporters follow the troops on the invasion of Grenada, the U.S. press, including all the "liberal" media such as NPR and the New York Times, sat on the sidelines, whimpering about how they couldn't get any information.

The reporters from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation simply phoned people, including the president of the medical school and some British official (consul?) who was stationed there.

END RUN.

[mvd]

49. Good post!

I was hinting at that in my post, and you put it really well. :hi:

[Q]

50. Exactly right: End Run

Take it directly to the people. Bypass the Corporate Media and spread the unbiased truth.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

53. that SHOULD be the plan!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

51. option 3 !3! 3!

[Q]

55. Why do I get the feeling that many Dems would like to see this go away...

...as much as the Bushies? They seem to want to forget about it and get on with things. But can we ever go back to that innocent time when a president lying about a blow job was thought of as a 'high crime'? Now we have REAL high crimes and everyone wants to get back to their 'soap opera'.

Dems in the senate still haven't joined with Conyers in any meaningful way. Yes...Kerry did write a letter and a handful of his peers signed it...but it has no more impact than a shout in a hurricane. The media ignored it as predicted...while they wrote article after article about Rove's nasty comments. That's right. Nasty gets the press and Kerry's proper decorum gets nada.

Where's bin Laden? The Anthrax Killers? What about the coverup of the 9-11 investigations? Why was no one prosecuted for exposing an 'undercover' CIA agent?

They've all gone done the memory hole because the Democratic Leadership let them go there without a fight. Can we expect the same about one of the worse crimes ever committed against our country? Bush sent Americans to fight and die on foreign soil and it didn't have to happen. I can hear the yawns from here.

[leftofthedial]

52. what should non-Dems do?

[Q]

54. In a two-party system of government...

...the Democratic party is the OPPOSITION PARTY.

Non-Dems should encourage Dems to do what's right.

[Pepperbelly]

58. Since we do not have a majority in either house ...

what we should do is become very vocal backbenchers. We should condemn every single fuck-up of the Bush, declaim every bit of corruption, accuse on every piece of evidence that emerges and when it is particularly serious, we should ALL howl with indignation.

[Q]

59. That's right...we need our own version of the ECHO ECHO CHAMBER...

...where every Dem in front of a microphone or camera mentions the EVIDENCE and PROOF that the Bushies have committed high crimes.

The minority party has more power than people think. But that power comes with them joing ranks and working in concert towards a common goal: justice.

For too long Bush has been able to get away with his horrible policies and decisions because he can say that they have 'bipartisan' support...even if all he has is a handful of Democrats. He gets away with it because when someone like Conyers bring evidence to the public forum....they're left without support from the rest of the party.

Where is the Dem echo chamber? Which Dems are talking about the importance and relevance of the DSM?

[Q]

60. Saudi hijackers fly planes into WTC/Pentagon -- BUSH ATTACKS IRAQ

This is the type of disconnect with reality we're dealing with here. Part of the Bush pattern of lies were about the 'connection' between 9-11 and Iraq.

This deception has already been exposed. There was no link between the hijackers or planners of 9-11 and Iraq. But there WAS a link between Bush, the Saudi Royal Family and Terrorism.

Democrats need to put these lies in context with the DSM. How the Bushies diverted attention AWAY from those who actually attacked on 9-11 and placed it on Iraq.

The EVIDENCE also shows that Bush classified and withheld dozens of documents that referenced the Saudis in 9-11 reports and investigations. Why would he do that when the hijackers were from Saudi?

This is another reason why our representatives need to demand hearings into these matters. It's time we force Bush to answer the dozens of unanswered questions.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

61. IMPEACH!!!

[Q]

62. Hold hearings....investigate...

...and if the charges hold true...then impeach the heartless bastards.

[Q]

63. What are the odds of...

...the Democratic leadership doing something about Bush lying this nation into war? Will this be another whimper instead of a bang?

I think we can count on the leadership doing...

...nothing.