They teach their people how to talk! - re gay marriage!

[Maraya1969]

Debate-Tested Sound Bites on Defending Marriage
May 14, 2004

by Glenn T. Stanton

Here are helpful, debate-tested soundbites for defenders of natural marriage and the family.
Here is a collection of lines and arguments that Focus on the Family has learned work best in the many public debates we have done on the issue of the same-sex family. These soundbites have also been tested by focus groups and rated very strongly.

Four Key Points:
1. Same-sex families always deny children either their mother or father.
2. Same-sex family is a vast, untested social experiment with children.
3. Where does it stop? How do we say "no" to group marriage?
4. Schools will be forced to teach that the homosexual family is normal. Churches will be legally pressured to perform same-sex ceremonies.
These points and others are teased out in the sound bites below...


Marriage Is Always About the Next Generation...
o A loving and compassionate society always comes to the aid of motherless and fatherless families.
o A loving and compassionate society never intentionally creates motherless or fatherless families, which is exactly what every same-sex home does.
o The same-sex family is not driven by the needs of children, but rather by the radical wishes of a small group of adults.
o No child development theory says children need two parents of the same gender, but rather that children need their mothers and fathers.
A Vast Social Experiment Inflicted Upon Children...
o No society, at any time, has ever raised a generation of children in same-sex families.
o Same-sex “marriage” will subject generations of children to the status of lab rats in (name of debate opponent’s) vast, untested social experiment.

http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/marriage/ssuap/a0032017.cfm

[Maraya1969]

1. I just love this point

"Same-sex “marriage” will subject generations of children to the status of lab rats in (name of debate opponent’s) vast, untested social experiment."


And we all know how well generations of fundamentalists have turned out.

And that is why there is a 12 step program to help them overcome their addiction to this freaky religious group.

It took me a long time to get over the sickness that was shoved down my throat in my late teens. Plenty of therapy.

[DBoon]

2. What about gay foster parents?

Gay adoptive parents?

What will they do with the children they remove from these homes?

Are they planning on building orphanges so children aren't subject to these "social experiments"?

There already are gays raising children without an adult partner of the other gender. Do they want to take these children?

[Maraya1969]

10. I heard some idiot on court TV say that children should be moved

away from gay parents even if it meant they went to an orphanage.

Sick idiots they are.

[rkc3]

3. The logical response from our side should be:

How does same-sex marriage harm America (since that's the problem for these idiots - homosexuals are ruining the country)?

My guess is that their whole argument falls apart from here. It's easy to say shit like this, but to substantiate it is another thing. I would even go so far as to say most homophobic knuckledraggers would have to think twice about the right's defense of these statements.

[BlueEyedSon]

4. LOL... too easy!

1. Heterosexual couples deny children having two mothers or two fathers.
2. Heterosexual families fail at a rate of 50% even after 20,000 years of refinement.
etc....

[CrispyQ]

5. Why don't they practice what they preach . . .

A loving and compassionate society always comes to the aid of motherless and fatherless families.

Yeah, right.

[brainshrub]

6. Oh wow, this is easy!

1) Not true. There is more than one way to have a feminine or masculine role model: A grandparent, for example.

2) Not true. Homosexuals have been raising children for as long as there has been families. Do you think adoption is a 20th century concept?

3) Groups of humans are supposed to rear the young. Care to explain to me how a large, loving family is bad for a child? What exactly is wrong with two mothers and a father?

4) Homosexuality is normal. No one is going to force churches to do anything.

[HockeyMom]

7. Answers

1. Divorce and death deny children either mother or father. How about the 9/11 widows or the Iraq war widows? They MUST remarry to give their kids a father?

2. Been going on for generations. How many divorced parents way back when moved in with a "friend" when they divorced? It just wasn't mentioned back then. My aunt divorced and moved in with a "friend" back in the 50s. Her son is now in his 40s, married 20 years and has two kids.

3. How many people would want that? One is enough to deal with, thank you very much.

4. Keep the parents of gay families out of schools? Kids talk. Joey has two Moms and tells everybody in the class. Cannot hide that fact. Churches DO have that right now and have for decades. Catholic church won't marry divorced people. Isn't divorce legal? Churches can do what they want.

Comes to the aid of motherless and fatherless families? Like cutting heath care, food stamps, etc.?

Iraq war hasn't created motherless and fatherless families?

Every heterosexual couple has kids? Infertile, childless by choice, menopausal women cannot marry?

Again, been going on for generations. It is just now out in the open.

EVERY society has raised a generation like that. Again, it's been in the closet.

Same as above.

[ComerPerro]

8. And here's a response to each, just off the top of my head

Four Key Points:
1. Same-sex families always deny children either their mother or father.
But same-sex families always provide double the benifits of having a mother or father.
2. Same-sex family is a vast, untested social experiment with children.
So then its ok for a gay couple to wed if they don't have children?
3. Where does it stop? How do we say "no" to group marriage?
Well, lets see. Man + Woman = 2 people. Man + Man = 2 people. Woman + Woman = 2 people. Man + Woman + Man/Woman = 3 people. Need I explain?
4. Schools will be forced to teach that the homosexual family is normal. Churches will be legally pressured to perform same-sex ceremonies.
Since when has a church been forced to do anything? Trust me. If a church refused to wed a gay couple, they will find someone who will and take their business there.

These points and others are teased out in the sound bites below...


Marriage Is Always About the Next Generation...
o A loving and compassionate society always comes to the aid of motherless and fatherless families.
Really? I wouldn't know, because I apparently don't live in a loving and compassionate society
o A loving and compassionate society never intentionally creates motherless or fatherless families, which is exactly what every same-sex home does.
There is a difference between same-sex families and single-parent households. The biggest obstacle for "motherless or fatherless" families is the single income, not the fact that a mother or father figure is missing.
o The same-sex family is not driven by the needs of children, but rather by the radical wishes of a small group of adults.
Tell that to a gay couple who has children. Seriously. I don't care what stereotypes you hold in your twisted little mind, I can guarantee that you will get a punch in the face (if you're lucky)
o No child development theory says children need two parents of the same gender, but rather that children need their mothers and fathers.
According to child development expert James Dobson, its a good idea to beat your children regularly to instill the "fear of God" and respect for authority in them. He opposes gay marriage too. Since child abuse is such a widely endorsed doctrine, he must really know what he is talking about.

A Vast Social Experiment Inflicted Upon Children...
o No society, at any time, has ever raised a generation of children in same-sex families.
Who said anything about raising an entire generation in same sex marraiges. Only about 10% of the population is gay. Will heterosexuals no longer be raising children?
o Same-sex “marriage” will subject generations of children to the status of lab rats in (name of debate opponent’s) vast, untested social experiment
But, what about the dangers of "traditional" marriage and harmful effects. Did you know that almost every single criminal, rapist, serial killer, and dictator in the entire history of the world was raised by at least one heterosexual parent?

[Lexingtonian]

9. Wow. How appallingly stupid and easy to rebut.

1. No orphaned child or one of divorced parents ever survived and became normal....not.
2. Same sex families....Gee, how have lesbians reared their children all these millenia?
3. Three or four just don't fit in one bed anymore, usually. It is a problem.
4. Isn't it great? Schools even teach facts about sex these days that are true. And those poor churches- how will they ever deal with two people who love each other?

God, it's so complicated.

[Outrider]

11. My replies

marriageex families always deny children either their mother or father.

Yeah right.

2. Same-sex family is a vast, untested social experiment with children.

So hetero has been scientifically tested in a controlled environment. Until then it is all just anecdotal evidence that has yet to be truly tested.

3. Where does it stop? How do we say "no" to group marriage?

Wait, we're supposed to be opposed to group marriages. Unless they're mormons, what's the evidence that group marriages are a bad thing.

4. Schools will be forced to teach that the homosexual family is normal. Churches will be legally pressured to perform same-sex ceremonies.

Damn, schools being forced to teach tolerance of homosexuals. What's next havin' to send your kid to school with them colored folks.

Actually, I'm so sick of these bigots that yes churches should be forced to preform gay marriages, group marriages and whatever else comes along.



Marriage Is Always About the Next Generation...
o A loving and compassionate society always comes to the aid of motherless and fatherless families.

I agree that society should help families whether they be a mother and father, a mother and mother, a father and father, or 3 mothers, two fathers and a partridge in a pear tree.

o A loving and compassionate society never intentionally creates motherless or fatherless families, which is exactly what every same-sex home does.

Then why the hell are we sending fathers into a quagmire to get killed for the neo-cons fantasy war.

o The same-sex family is not driven by the needs of children, but rather by the radical wishes of a small group of adults.

And there are no hetero families were the man needs a family to make himself look like a better prospect to be promoted in his career.

o No child development theory says children need two parents of the same gender, but rather that children need their mothers and fathers.
A Vast Social Experiment Inflicted Upon Children...

Then allow funding of research into the same gender families. BTW you don't get to choose the researchers.

o No society, at any time, has ever raised a generation of children in same-sex families.

Maybe not, but the aristocracy has for generations had nannies and servants raise their kids. Okay, maybe not a good example, but these people are just the pawns of the nascent southern aristocracy.

o Same-sex “marriage” will subject generations of children to the status of lab rats in (name of debate opponent’s) vast, untested social experiment.

Life is an untested social experiment. No amount of double speak is going to get past the fact that the human race has involved itself in a grand social experiment that everyone is involved with. The only way not to be involved in this ever involving experiment is to remove yourself from the human race, and please feel free to remove yourself at any time.

[eridani]

12. Can I teach DU how to talk about MARRIAGE EQUALITY?

That's the term to use. Wipe "gay marriage" out of your vocabulary entirely.

Another term to wipe out is "gay lifestyle." Gays and lesbians don't have "lifestyles," they have LIVES.

[Maraya1969]

13. Very good point. That same guy wrote an article in the Focus on

The Family news letter, (yea, it comes to my house!!!) that marriages are much healthier in all sorts than civil unions. So why does he want to refuse marriage for certain people? As a Christian I'd think he'd want to show love and support and wish the best for everyone. :sarcasm:

That was the article I was looking for online but I couldn't find it. So I stuck this one up instead.