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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:48 PM
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Flag desecration?
Would this amendment be all encompassing regarding not just burning but also desecration?
And if so then it would stand to reason that the amendment would have to include ALL forms of desecration including, but not limited to:

Night flag flying without a light.
In the rain.
Being ripped up on a vehicle at high speed.
Written on.
In the form of clothing.

Isn't there a uniform code of conduct regarding flag etiquette?
Aren't many rightwingnuts violating it?

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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:57 PM
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1. It also would require a definition: "What is a flag?": Is a real flag
a manufactured one made for display on a pole?.. Or, do home-made ones made out of bed-sheets count?. If a flag image is printed onto a rectangular piece of cardboard- is that a flag? What about flag stickers and magnets on cars. The kind of "desecration" they're so concerned about is rather difficult to define. Ballons, tattoos on peoples' arms? Etc, etc, etc.
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:14 PM
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2. it would also include Bush autographing those litle plastic ones
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:20 PM
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3. This has nothing to do with logic and reason.
Logic and reason says the flag is a cheap piece of cloth manufactured in China. Unless you believe that some deity of another reaches down and makes that cheap piece of Chinese cloth somehow a patriotic eucharist, then the whole argument is a load of crap. Hence it is the perfect diversion for cowardly and self-serving Congresspersons that want to posture nobly in anxious times.
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Semi_subversive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:43 PM
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4. Here's a link for the US Flag Code
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:46 PM
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5. the delegates at the republican nationial convention had outfits made
out of flags, i'd say thats a desecration.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:49 PM
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6. What will they do to you if you burn it???
They know the anti-war movement is underway and don't want people burning the flag in the streets!! Well turn it upside down, signals distress......
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:50 PM
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7. like Jon Stewart said "Most american flags are burned in other countries"
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:53 PM
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8. If I remember my flag etiquette correctly...
Burning is the proper method of disposal for worn-out or damaged flags. It's meant to be solomn ceremony, of course, one which I have never in my life seen conducted. I think most folks just toss 'em in the trash.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 12:42 PM
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13. Yep, that's the way I was taught.
We had flag etiquette as part of Flag Day education in elementary school and in youth organizations. It's not supposed to touch the ground, nor be festooned from a porch or review stand (flag bunting is made for that purpose) and the blue patch belongs in the upper left corner when a flag is hung flat on a wall. If flown at night it must be illuminated. Damaged flags should be brought down and destroyed.

The flag etiquette rules came back to me after 9/11 when so many people rushed to display them without regard to the rules. I hadn't thought about it in years but I guess the early indoctrination paid off.
:P
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:49 PM
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9. What about "nation desecration?"
This administration has desecrated our entire nation with this illegal way in Iraq.
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FearofFutility Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:59 PM
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10. A op-ed writer in my local paper
said something to the effect that what's next? Since the POTUS is a "symbol" of our country, "Is it too far fetched to imagine a time when desecrating the image of the president will be akin to mocking the Emperor?" I'll try to find the link. It was a great column.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:01 PM
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11. Being ripped up on a vehicle at high speed....reminds me
I was on a Coast Guard High Endurance Cutter for 2 years. We flew the flag at the masthead while underway, 24x7, foul weather and fair, through high winds and diesel smoke. It wasn't pretty when we struck colors when mooring, but we disposed of it properly.
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mt1000 Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 12:07 PM
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12. NASCAR breaks flag rules
If you read the Boy Scout manual ... flag isn't to be put on any surface likely to be marred or destroyed.

NASCAR ignores this rule when they decal the flag onto throw-away car bodies that get all smashed up in races. They are made to be disposable and they keep 'spares' around to snap on as they get crunched routinely.
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