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AUYellowDog Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:27 AM
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Clinton supports Billy Graham
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160707,00.html

NEW YORK — As his final American revival meeting continued Saturday, a fragile Billy Graham (search) was met onstage by former President Clinton, who honored the evangelist, calling him "a man I love."

Clinton spoke briefly before Graham's sermon and recalled how the man known as America's pastor had refused to preach before a segregated audience in Arkansas decades ago when that state was in a bitter fight over school desegregation.

"I was just a little boy and I'll never forget it," said Clinton, who was joined by his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (search). "I've loved him ever since. God bless you, friend."

Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

Graham, 86, then launched into a short sermon that was interupted by applause five times. Organizers estimated 80,000 people had come to the crusade at Flushing Meadows-Corona Park in Queens — about 20,000 more than the opening night Friday. The rally ends Sunday.

The evangelist is suffering from fluid on the brain, prostate cancer and Parkinson's disease. He uses the walker due to a pelvic fracture and is largely confined to his home in Montreat, N.C. He had said previously that the rally "will be the last in America, I'm sure."

Despite his many ailments, he spoke strongly for about 15 minutes, in an address meant to appeal to young people. He peppered his speech with pop-culture references from Madonna to Bono (search) to MTV. He wove a parable about bad decision-making from the plot of "Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith," in which Anakin Skywalker becomes the villian Darth Vader.

"The decisions you make tonight will effect your whole future and your eternal future," he said, before inviting people forward to accept Christ.

Graham's son and successor, the Rev. Franklin Graham (search), sat nearby, ready to finish the speech in case his father could not. But Franklin Graham was needed only to help his father move onstage.

Seats began filling hours before the event began, as temperatures reached into the 90s. Speakers repeatedly encouraged people in the audience to drink water to avoid fainting. Graham waits to go on in an air-conditioned tent, with aides nearby in case of a medical emergency, and the stage is shaded by a massive canopy.

Graham's pulpit has a movable seat hidden from view, so he can sit if he feels unsteady. He used the seat only after he finished his sermon.

Graham is considering a request to hold a rally in November in London, but Franklin Graham said his father no longer adjusts well to time zone changes and does not like to be away from his wife, Ruth, who is also in ill health.

Graham has preached to more than 210 million people in 185 countries. He has been sought out by U.S. presidents and leaders worldwide and, more than any other religious figure, has come to represent the American evangelical movement.

Marie St. Louis, 34, who came to the event hours early Saturday with friends and family from her New York church, called the rally "bittersweet" because it was Graham's last in the United States.

"It's sad because he's such a legend," St. Louis said. "When you think of Billy Graham, you think of a lot of things a Christian should be."


Not sure what I think. Opposing segregation was good, but lately he has stood for so much evil that I can't stand the man.

Brandon
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:30 AM
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1. He's had his moments...
As a preacher, he's going to be on the "wrong side" of some liberal issues (abortion, gays, and free speech), but I think that on the whole he's been a reasonably decent guy.
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:31 AM
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2. I saw an interview with him where
he made a point to mention that he was a Democrat, I hate to politicize the guy, but he could shepard back a lot of wayward Christian Dems that are slowly starting to turn to the dark side. Glad Clinton showed up and got some press, maybe that made the point enough.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:38 AM
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3. the politically accepted ''bishop'' of america.
his past is horrific -- first, i don't think he was always anti-segregation,second is his politicizing the removal of the ten commandments from class rooms.

graham is one the root organizers of talibornagain in this country.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 12:01 PM
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5. Thank you for injecting truth and sanity into this thread...
but you will be outnumbered by Graham apologists.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 12:23 PM
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9. That's inaccurate.
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nikraye Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:46 AM
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4. ALLOW "his wife to run the country."
How typical of the evangelicals, that a wife must have her husband's permission for anything she does. That single statement shows Graham's true colors: Sexist, sexist, sexist.

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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 12:18 PM
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7. good gravy
somehow, talking about "allowing" your wife to be PRESIDENT of the US is not exactly sexist in my book.

That's a bit overly sensitive about word choice, the bottom line was that, even jokingly, he gave support for a woman to be elected president, I somehow think for a mid-80s preacher thats pretty darn progressive.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 12:15 PM
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6. Don't you think, though,
that his comments were significant and supportive of the Clintons (and by extension Democrats) in a lot of different ways?

At a time when Republicans all over the place are attacking Democrats as weak and non-Christian?

Without excusing his past (which includes a lot of GOP love; praying with Nixon and so on) it would have been pretty easy for him to NOT have his last revival in New York, to say nothing much besides acknowledge the Clintons' presence, etc.

Just sayin' ...
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 12:23 PM
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8. There ARE those who some liberals despise only for their beliefs....
....but, Billy Graham?
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 12:35 PM
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10. AUYellowDog, please review DU's copyright rules and edit your
post. Thank you!

. Copyrights: Do not copy-and-paste entire articles onto this discussion forum. When referencing copyrighted work, post a short excerpt (not exceeding 4 paragraphs) with a link back to the original.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 12:37 PM
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11. He's never politicized faith
Billy Graham has never politicized faith like a lot of other people. He's a old-style conservative democrat.
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PaulaFarrell Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 03:19 PM
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12. Not always
Statement by the Rev. Billy Graham Supporting George W. Bush
By The Rev. Billy Graham
CNS Information Services
November 06, 2000

(What follows is the text of Graham's comments as he appeared with George and Laura Bush on Sunday, Nov. 5, in Jacksonville, Florida)

Well, it's a privilege for me to be here with Governor and Mrs. Bush. We've known them since almost children and spent a great deal of time with him both in Maine and in Washington when they were there. I've seen them many times in other places. I had the privilege of leading the inaugural prayer when he was inaugurated Governor of Texas. And I have been praying for this crucial election. And I think it's a crucial election, a critical election in the history of America. And I think that, uh, I've been praying that God's will shall be done. I don't endorse candidates. But I've come as close to it, I guess, now as any time in my life, because I think it's extremely important.

We have in our state absentee voting I've already voted. I'll just let you guess who I voted for. Any my family the same way. And we believe that there's going to be a tremendous victory and change by Tuesday night in the direction of the country -- putting it in good hands. I believe in the integrity of this man. I've known him as a boy, I've known him as a young man, I've known him now still as a young man. And we're very proud of him. I'm very thankful for the privilege of calling him friend, and his wife. It's worth getting him the White House to get her in the White House. Laura is a special person, I can tell you. The things that she can dream of and do! When we were in Puerto Rico holding meetings, the governors were having their governors' convention down there. I suppose it was the Southern governors. And she brought some of the governors' wives to our meeting. And just little things that I can remember many times that has bonded my heart and life to them. And if they, by God's will, win, I'm going to do everything in my power to help them make it a successful presidency. God bless all of you.



http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200011\POL20001106c.html




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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 03:42 PM
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13. You've just kind of made up your own title, no?
Kind of changes how some might perceive the article...ya know, since it's not accurate. :eyes:
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