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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 12:49 AM
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Karl Rove Must Make this "Big Speech" Work... Or Else
Rove is failing. No, scratch that. Rove the failure finally is showing his true colors.

Many have compared Rove to Hermann Goering, the famous Nazi propagandist, for the deft manner by which he sold the Iraqi War. Fear. It works.

But Rove, good at smear and manipulation of the public, forgot one thing: you have to make sure that what you sell works. Rove sold a lemon to the American public, and one by one, they are demanding a refund.

Goering sold what was initially a successful conquest to the Germans. For a while, his marketing campaign proved a reliable buy. Yes, the Third Reich spread eastward into Poland and westward to an already weakened France, who quickly surrendered. The German people rejoiced.

Iraq has become a defective good, damaged by nearly two-thousand dead American soldiers, and thousands more permanently maimed. Not to mention the tens of thousands of dead Iraqi citizens, whose survivors live still with questionable utilities, possible car bombs, and an unknown future.

Rove stands in the White House as a failed salesman. His product has lost luster with the market. Rove never was Goering. Now he must face the boss, and the boss can't be happy with the 43% sales returns. After all, the boss must maintain a militant image that belies his real self, and lazily depends on Karl to craft it for him.

So Rove must run the gambit, screaming profanities at Democrats to remove attention (albeit temporarily) from the damaging Downing Street Memos, to sweep-up once more the patriotic vigor that once propelled his boss to great political heights. Now he must craft a "substantive" script for his boss, restringing Bush's puppet arms, preparing a show for the American public.

Will the public suspend disbelief once more? Likely not.

Rove never was Hermann Goering. His product is broken. His salesmanship has fizzled. He must remake the president. He simply must, because before karma reaches Bush and forces him to leave the Oval Office in disgrace, the one to leave before him will be no one other than his failed puppet master, Karl Rove.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 12:58 AM
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1. Karl Rove, it's time to join your friend!
http://dailydelay.blogspot.com

There's even a huge open cell waiting patiently in the end with your name on it, it was christened just for you!!!

:patriot:
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 12:58 AM
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2. Wonderfully, insightfully put..."Writer."
The curtain in Oz has finally pulled back, and the all-invincible illusion will never be the same for Rove or Shrub, OR Shrubco.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:01 AM
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3. Bush hasn't a choice but to make up some sort of plea not to
go south on Iraq, and Rove's job is to invent things like Tuesday's Bush speech to try and sway public opinion about the Bush war in Iraq however 77 American soldiers and about 600 Iraqi civilians have died since Cheney claimed that the insurgency was “in its last throes”

Iraq has become a defective good, damaged by nearly two-thousand dead American soldiers, and thousands more permanently maimed. Not to mention the tens of thousands of dead Iraqi citizens, whose survivors live still with questionable utilities, possible car bombs, and an unknown future.

Rove stands in the White House as a failed salesman. His product has lost luster with the market. Rove never was Goering. Now he must face the boss, and the boss can't be happy with the 43% sales returns. After all, the boss must maintain a militant image that belies his real self, and lazily depends on Karl to craft it for him.

Bush's better not flash his arrogant smirk if mentioning US. dead troops on Tuesday nights "speech"
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:02 AM
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4. From the outset it was clear that this whole Iraq bullshit would have
to take some time to sort itself out. It was inevitable that whatever plan they had would fail, since the very idea of occupying a place like Iraq was stupid beyond belief. The "leadership" of the US government have been shown by this process to be all time historical world class lunatics and maniacs.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 02:38 AM
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14. All I concerned with is 9-11 and no WMD's being found and the
recent DSM developement -- legally I fail to understand why no-one is pushing for the articles of impeachement to begin??
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:03 AM
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5. Good post
Karl Rove has done his job. He has taken the wealth of America and transfered it to the rich and the globalists. I'm sure he'll leave with a cushy private CEO job and an oil tanker named after him. He is in a win-win situation.

W on the other hand will go down as the most untrustworthy and worst president so far in our history. As each month goes by, and with each slaughtered U.S. troop, his legacy will be one of shame.

Read the stats as to our Iraqi and Afghani "progress" at www.icasualties.org
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:05 AM
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6. Nah. George is like the guy being fired in the cereal commercial.
He's munching so hard on his own crap, he can't hear anyone telling him to go. Eventually, some shortsighted ass will find that admirable.
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:07 AM
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7. every word correct.....
I'll always wonder if he was ever conscious of the fact that he had only built a house of cards that, by definition, was sure to collapse someday revealing him for the fraud that he is and not the "boy genius" that GW enjoys calling him?
It's hard to avoid cliches about this, but when you build policies on lies, it can never last and can never stay hidden. That doesn't take a lot of brains to know.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:13 AM
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9. Absolutely correct. Rove should have known that lying is weakness.
Besides, having a man like Bush label you a "genius" is no compliment at all. In Bush's mind, Barney qualifies as "highly intelligent," at least.
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 04:47 PM
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27. lol....true
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:10 AM
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8. What if...
What if Bush all of a sudden had a terrible bout of the runs mid-way through his speech?

}( ...Why can't we be so lucky?
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:39 PM
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24. The media wouldn't even notice
Did anyone other than us notice he was sweating and drooling - he was frigging frothing at the mouth! - during the debates? No, the MSM reported he looked "confident" and "resolute."

:puke:

If he crapped his pants, it'd become the new Republican fad to have dirty diapers. They're creating such a cult of personality around him (shades of Il Duce, anyone?) that they must defend his most egregious examples of idiocy as "leadership."

:puke:!!!
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:16 AM
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10. Excellent post. nt
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:37 AM
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11. Dollars to Donuts
Commander Bunnypants' numbers will go up after his military-propped propaganda.

Many Germans 'believed' until the very end.

(the increased poll #s - propelled by the MSM - will be short lived)
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:47 AM
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12. The Bush administration is in the last throes
Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 01:49 AM by Lecky
There's no way you can get people to change their minds about this war.

The death toll will keep climbing, and memos will keep leaking...the pressure will keep building.

People are starting to see through their diversion tricks and no one trusts him anymore.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:34 PM
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23. Last throes of catapulting the propaganda n/t
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LTRS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:50 AM
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13. It isn't going to....
Because Bush is going to spew more bullshit and the polls now show that most people get that it's bullshit. He's a quacking duck.

By the way, did anyone else notice his approval ratings are just about equal to what the exit polls that showed him losing on election day? Makes you go hmmmm.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 02:47 AM
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15. Humm...which makes one think the exit polls...
were right, again! Even Rove can't sell dead soldier's, can he?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 05:10 AM
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16. Never underestimate the stupidity of millions of people.
Just a week ago most Amerikans, incl.Dems in Congress were saying Amerika must stay the course, even Howard Dean said so. Now, many are not so sure that is the best course. Shrub and his Fascists will do and say anything to hold onto Iraq. July 4th is coming up; Big Patriotic day. Let's see how this shakes out in several weeks.
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Tom Bombadil Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 05:11 AM
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17. Just a factual point but
Josef Goebbels was the Nazi propaganda minister, not Goering. Goering was a chief henchman to Hitler, parallels can perhaps be drawn with Cheney.

They both poisoned themselves at the end of WW2.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 12:39 PM
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18. Hi Tom Bombadil!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 12:49 PM
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19. Thanks, Tom
I could dither over further factual points - like that Goebbels spelled his first name "Joseph" and not "Josef" - but thanks for the correction, anyway. It's surprising that this thread went this far without anyone posting the correction.

Welcome to DU!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 12:59 PM
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20. Welcome to DU! Point well-taken.
Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 12:59 PM by calimary
It's a worthy reminder. Because rove IS a modern-day Goebbels. Son and rightful heir.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:17 PM
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21. Rove & Bush's "Product-Sale" Equated to How Many Deaths, Thus Far?
Certainly the deceased troops loved-ones would like to throw more then a few bad lemons at these failed puppets.

The public has had it's final straw of them.

The Camel's back is now broken beyond repair.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:24 PM
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22. Are the Dems out, in full force, calling tonight's speech "desperate?"
"Grabbing at straws?" "Begging for support," -- anything????

They sure as hell better be.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 01:53 PM
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25. It will be like every other speech: An embarassing failure
that still gets reported as a "great and powerful speech".

People like to forget that the president is a moron with hardly any speaking skills at all.

He would fail a middle school speech class!
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 03:11 PM
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26. Gonna have to break out the little speakerbox with the hidden tiny
Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 03:11 PM by bunny planet
earphones and tape it inside His Fraudulency's $3000. suit again Pillsbury Roveboy.

That worked so well for you last time you tried it.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:12 PM
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28. So... did Rove do his job?
I didn't watch the speech, nor have I read enough to understand the national reaction. My gut says it provided many good photo ops but the overall response was tepid.

What do you think?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 11:15 PM
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29. Well - it's been "or else". Guess we're in for another "surprise attack"
that "no one could have known was comming" - in spite of the "Al Keda (must be a first basemen for the nats) set to strike this week" memo in his drawer (just not "on his desk") with the Iranian invasion plans.
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