Ok everyone, lets be honest here.... Totally honest

[waynew706]

1. George Bush has no intention of ending the war in Iraq
2. This war is making big money for the stocks that George and company own.
3. We have a pretty fair idea that 9/11 was not an act of Terrorists
4. These guys lie most often.
5. They have some how gotten to cJohn Mccain and altered his beliefs
6. We have the DSM that don't lie.
7. We have a Presidential Speach tonite that said nothing new.


I could go on, and on and on...

[MichiganVote]

1. NEED INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING!!!!

[leftofthedial]

16. we don't need investigative reporting

we just need truthful reporting

most of the crimes are blatant

[OKDem08]

2. #3

do you want to elaborate on that?

[janedoe]

7. 9-11

I think #3 was meant to say,
9/11 was an inside job.

[newyawker99]

17. Hi janedoe!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. Which side of the glass do you prefer to

be on.....



Synopsis ..the continuing adventures of Alice in Wonderland. Alice climbs through the bedroom mirror as her child sleeps and falls into a fantastic world. Looking-Glass Land is a giant chessboard and a game in progress. Alice is a pawn; her task is to reach the other side of the board to become a queen. She will be challenged by the Red King and Queen, witness the ridiculous battle between the Red and White Knights, fight the monstrous Jabberwocky, debate with Tweddledum and Tweddledee and try to prevent Humpty Dumpty falling off the wall.

[zann725]

4. And we had Kerry on Larry King immediately after...looking and sounding

quite Presidential.

[wurzel]

5. Why do you think 911 was not the act of terrorists?

[Donailin]

6. WRT number one -- correction:

Bush has no intention of America ever leaving iraq. They want the war over, but we are building over 8 military bases there. The PNAC specifies military permanance in Iraq -- our foothold in the ME.

They did not anticipate the fact that the Iraqi people may have a slight problem with this idea.

[OKDem08]

8. 9/11

if you actually think that 9/11 was an 'inside job' & believe in corruption that extreme, why didn't the CIA simply plant WMD's, that would have been quite simple in comparison

[Donailin]

12. who said 911 was an inside job?

I sure didn't. They would have gone to Iraq with or without 911. Every former administration official that was inside the WH said so in their books, PLUS it's part of "Rebuilding Americas Defenses" in the PNAC PLUS the Weekly Standard wrote column after column through the 90's with titles "Why we must Invade iraq" and the like. Look for yourself, take note of the authors. And then apologize for making assanine assumptions about what I think.



http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqmiddleeast2000-1997.htm

2004 2003 2002 2001 2000-1997

Iraq (For Middle East click here.)

State of Terror Gary Schmitt, Weekly Standard, November 20, 2000

Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, March 3, 1999

Letter to the Editor Stephen Solarz and Paul Wolfowitz, Foreign Affairs, March/April 1999

Project Memorandum, Mark Lagon, January 7, 1999

Saddam Wins-Again Robert Kagan, Weekly Standard, January 4-11, 1999

Project Memorandum, Mark Lagon, November 13, 1998

Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, November 10, 1998

How to Attack Iraq Weekly Standard Editorial, November 16, 1998

A Way to Oust Saddam, Robert Kagan, Weekly Standard, September 28, 1998

Wolfowitz Statement on U.S. Policy Toward Iraq, Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, September 18, 1998

Statement before the House National Security Committee, Paul Wolfowitz

Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, August 14, 1998

Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, June 17, 1998

Project Letter to Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott, May 29, 1998

Adrift in the Gulf, John Bolton, Weekly Standard, March 23, 1998

Kofi Hour, John Bolton, Weekly Standard, March 9, 1998

A 'Great Victory' For Iraq, William Kristol and Robert Kagan, Washington Post, February 26, 1998

Saddam's Impending Victory Robert Kagan, Weekly Standard, February 2, 1998

Bombing Iraq Isn't Enough, William Kristol and Robert Kagan, New York Times, January 30, 1998

Speaking of Iraq Project Article, Washington Times, January 27, 1998

Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, January 26, 1998

Letter to President Clinton, January 26, 1998

Congress Versus Iraq John Bolton, Weekly Standard, January 19, 1998

The UN Rewards Saddam, John Bolton, Weekly Standard, December 15, 1997

[CJCRANE]

18. Myabe because it's actually quite

difficult to buy and smuggle WMD's without most of the world's intelligence agencies noticing...

[snowbear]

9. They sound okay -- except for # 3...

What's up with that? :shrug: :crazy:

Edit -- Oh, and I would change #1 to read that Mr. Bush has "no idea how to end the war in Iraq"

Not that he doesn't want it to end.. he just has no clue how to do it.

[Massacure]

10. 3 is wrong. 9/11 was an act of terrorism.

I can see a case for LIHOP, but not MIHOP.

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[CJCRANE]

20. I think there's degrees of MIHOP -

"Hard MIHOP" is the stuff about remote-controlled planes, hidden explosives in WTC, no plane at Pentagon etc (i.e. the stuff that most people identify with "conspiracy theorists").

"Soft MIHOPers" are less interested in the technical & engineering aspects and more interested in the political/personal/financial connections...

[meppie-meppie not]

22. and I can definitely see a case for MIHOP

[jayctravis]

11. It sounds like he practiced the speech a whole lot.

He didn't mangle any major words or turns of phrase (except nuclear...IT'S NEW-CLEE-UR NOT NEW-CUE-LUR YOU DUMBASS!)

He obviously didn't write a whole lot of it; while full of the same inane bullshit we've heard it was articulately constructed and he did an above average job of reading it.

[snowbear]

13. Hey Jay..

You're giving Shrub wayyyy more credit than he deserves! :o

You said ..."He obviously didn't write a whole lot of it"

HAhahahHAAAA :rofl: ...He looks over the speeches, probably practices them until he's blue in the face, and as the Today Show reported once --- he occassionally -- once in a blue moon --- changes a word here or there..

But write his own !?!?!?!?!?! :wow:

Hell.. they won't even let him speak without a transcript and a teleprompter!

Remember the one time he went on with Russert for an hour? He did such a LOUSY job that his poll numbers slid off the map the next day.

America woke up thinking "Sheezuz kyreerist, that guys a complete idiot!" :o

They decided to never make that mistake again and he sticks to the scripts.

President Clinton wrote a LOT of his own speeches..

But Bush... :rofl: :spray: :rofl:

[SweetLeftFoot]

15. Take it from one who knows

Very few politicians anywhere write their own speeches and if they do have the bright idea that they would like to, people like me (in a former incarnation) make sure the idiots don't say anything too destructive. I'm sure Clinton did write plenty of his speeches - in cahoots with Stephanopolous et al.

[jayctravis]

21. I know that...I was just trying to say something nice!

And actually that's what made the speech rather boring for me...other than being a puree'd melange of every other policy speech he's made, he didn't pull one of those retarded flailing crash-and-burn English-language trainwrecks that I so enjoy watching.

Probably because he read it so much more skillfully than we're used to it made the most mind-boggling moment stand out for me: We're arming and training the Iraqis to become battle-hardened...so they can defend themselves...as opposed to what they're doing now...against an invasion...similar to the attack we initiated... <brain anyeurism>

Bush so fears the thought of a soverign country like us being invaded, that we've become the exact boogeyman he claims to want to protect us from.

[yy4me]

19. funny thought

Suppose his teleprompter died. I couldn't stand watching so I've listened to all the coverage today. Was there a new sentence in the whole speech? I've heard everything before. Someone please tell me how this was supposed to reassure the American people? Reassure us of what, that the president and his cronies are fools?

[omega minimo]

23. You GO first

Honestly

:smoke:

I've got the profile