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dhinojosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 09:57 AM Original message |
Is there a term for the speech device used during the Bush speech? |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. Manipulation. Propaganda. Lies. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
65. The graphic... |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
2. Stupidhead himself calls it |
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atommom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
3. There probably is a word for it. And if not, there should be. |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
4. Repetition |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
5. Did you hear...... |
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dhinojosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:07 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. No. wow. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
79. " Iraq is the latest battlefield in this war ..." |
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ewagner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
6. Good question |
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fooj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:09 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. What about the Bush Bullshit Brigade? |
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swag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
7. "non sequitur" comes to mind. |
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dhinojosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Duh, on my part.... |
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swag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. No "duhs" about it. |
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dhinojosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Yeah, but maybe non-sequitur doesn't really reflect the |
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swag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. True. How about "malicious, mendacious non sequiturs?" |
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dhinojosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:31 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. wow, let me look up mendacious... |
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swag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Oh you're welcome. I learned "mendacious" from Jimmy Swaggart, |
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ewagner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:25 AM Original message |
I agree with that |
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bear425 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #9 |
37. How about mal-sequitur? n/t |
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dhinojosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:50 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. nice nt |
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AverageJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
12. It's close to a false analogy, but the analogy isn't explicit |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Howabout |
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AverageJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:08 AM Response to Reply #27 |
44. Maybe so |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:40 AM Response to Reply #12 |
35. It's a little "post hoc ergo propter hoc" |
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AverageJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:07 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Yes, that's very close |
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ScamUSA.Com (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
13. meme change |
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AUYellowDog (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
14. Equivocation |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #14 |
52. Implying such merely by mentioning the two in sequence. |
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Greybnk48 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
16. "poisoning the well" |
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dhinojosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Kind of like the Bush "push polls" |
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Greybnk48 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Yes. But push polls use another tactic |
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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
17. Translation: All brown people are the same, and are out to get us... |
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sunnystarr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
19. It's a common Propaganda technique called "Transfer" |
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ewagner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:30 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Thanks for the link |
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pgh_dem (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:40 AM Response to Reply #19 |
36. Aion at 22 has it right imo...conflation is the word, transfer is the... |
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aion (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
22. Conflation is the proper term |
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dhinojosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Conflation is interesting.... |
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Lexingtonian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
23. People used to use words like "associationism" |
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ewagner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. That pretty much describes it |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
24. My naming attempt: "Textual Osmosis" |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
25. innuendo? |
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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
26. I've got it: it should be called "BUSHIAN ANALOGY" |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
29. This is what burns me |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
32. Indirect associative propaganda technique or indirect lying. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Aka, psuedo logic. n/t |
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jasmeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
38. Sounds like Pavlovian conditioning to me. For example: |
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hnsez (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Once the conditioning is complete, the subject reacts subconsciously ... |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
40. The Proper Linguistic Term: |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
42. Answer here |
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BobBoudelangFan69 (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Also Known As Donut Logic, Missing The Middle Connection. |
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dhinojosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Wow. those are good reads... |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
46. Obfuscation |
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gordianot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
47. The 5 basic rules of propoganda. |
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Singular73 (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
49. Yeah, but its pretty transparent. |
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meppie-meppie not (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:28 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. good point and it sure was lame not to mention unconscionable. |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
53. Let's name it! |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. It's been named, from several different perspectives. |
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gulfbreeze (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
54. Artful deceit. Manipulation and lies. It all boils down to the same thin |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
55. Formally, it's called parataxis: the positioning of two elements |
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dhinojosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 01:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. "abetted a wrong inference" |
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donkeyotay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
57. Great thread! |
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melissinha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
58. Ok my Argumentation book is at home |
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dhinojosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. You are soooooo correct... |
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sunnystarr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. That takes me so back to my course in Logic ... |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 01:19 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. The logic's more like abduction: |
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mccoyn (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
62. My English teacher calls it an F. |
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melissinha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. hell yes |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
63. Non sequitur and equivocation |
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Arcadia1 (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
66. Good Work!! |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
67. Linking Ideas thru Asserted Reinforcement - L.I.A.R. |
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melissinha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 02:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. BRILLIANT |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
70. Conflate |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
71. In Georgia they call it "Bull Shitting." n/t |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
72. I'm not sure, but I think those are examples of enthymeme |
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cookiebird (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 05:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. enthymeme II |
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Mick Knox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
74. muppet strings |
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NoFederales (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
75. Great thread |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
76. "Willfully misleading or obfuscatory juxtaposition" |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
77. Disingenuousness? The non-logic of "it follows"? |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
78. Not sure it has a name... |
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cliss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
80. I call it evil. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 10:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. It's a shell game. Placing unrelated things together for association. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-05 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
82. specious |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-05 12:04 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Bush et al are big on false dichotomies, too. |
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jmcon007 (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-05 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
84. behind the curve a little? |
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