THE Reason for a pull-out NOW:

[berni_mccoy]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3978218&mesg_id=3978218

[Goldmund]

1. Actually, it's the reason a pull-out won't happen

:)

[TahitiNut]

2. No reason for a "pull-out" is needed.

What's needed is a reason to be there. Every 'reason' given so far has been PROVEN to be a total and complete FRAUD. There is absolutely no valid, provable reason to continue the military occupation of another country. None. It's criminal.

[Karenina]

3. AND ILLEGAL AND AMORAL

[TahitiNut]

4. Yep. It just pisses me off that the WRONG question is posed.

The default ('status quo') position CANNOT be the continued occupation of another country. When the thing is framed as somehow 'needing a reason to pull out' then that begs the far more moral and ethical question of being there in the first place.

They fascist talking heads talk patronizingly about training the Iraqis handle their own 'security' and gloss over some embedded lies. First and foremost, why aren't the already-trained (and experienced) Iraqis doing the training themselves? (Answer: War profiteers!) Next, if 100 Iraqis are "trained" each day and 100 "trained" Iraqis are KILLED each day, how long will it take to get enough "trained" Iraqis?

The whole "discussion" is corrupt. There's not a single moral or legal rationale for staying there one more day.

[Karenina]

5. WHY are Americans

killing and being killed by Iraqis TODAY? It seems a simple enough question...

[TahitiNut]

6. Yeah... and the Chimp sez "it's worth it."

What abysmally despicable, detestible psychopaths he and his cabal are!
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