They used the American flag last night to represent 9 11 date subliminally

[libertypirate]

Each of the flags spell out 911 it is totally subliminal, start with the small flags first. The top portion of the 9 is the area of the stars. These people are sick!

Posted on my blog also
http://benumbment.blogspot.com/2005/06/caught-this-on-du.html

Thanks to im10ashus for pointing this picture out.

[Fridays Child]

1. Hmm.... That's a bit of a stretch.

[libertypirate]

19. Look at the little flags...

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. That accounts for the wrong number of stripes 9 are shown.

The strips make a nice 11

[OneTwentyoNine]

8. Yup,there should be one more stripe plus the flag is reversed...

The Stars(union)should be the other way around--its like your looking at the back side of the flag.

BUSH desecrated OUR flag!! Impeach NOW!

[libertypirate]

9. desecration was the picture of Bush signing an American flag

It was out of line for a president to put his name on an American flag.

[Catch22Dem]

40. That's how you're supposd to hang a flag vertically

When looking AT the flag, the union should always be at the top left.

[libertypirate]

43. So what about part of the flag...

They showed many of the same parts but not the whole symbol of our nation.

[Catch22Dem]

44. Good question...the flag code is not specific about this...

I think since the orientation of the flag was correct, only showing a partial image is most likely acceptable. Personally, I don't think the flag and * should share the same stage, but the code isn't specific about that either. ;)

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

[OneTwentyoNine]

3. Doesn't matter ,that dog and pony show last night went nowhere.....

If anything Chimps numbers are probably worse now,the only ones enthused about his speech are the money changers.

[Goldmund]

4. I'm not sure I buy it...

But the 2 flags do look like the 2 towers.

[libertypirate]

6. Look at the little flags...

They are all the same.

[Goldmund]

7. Shit, you're right

[NoPasaran]

5. I don't know---I think I see Jesus in the shadows of the flag on the right

[ComerPerro]

32. He's there, watching over Bush

I mean, now that someone mentions it, I can see how the small flags look like "911".

But I doubt it was intentional.

They don't need to be subtle or subliminal.

They beat us over the head with 9/11. Why be subtle when you are going to be that direct and blunt?

[elehhhhna]

47. When the podium burned, then collapsed,

I KNEW they wree up to something.

[NoPasaran]

53. Everyone knows podiums don't collapse when they burn

It had to be controlled demolitions!:tinfoilhat:

[elehhhhna]

59. ...and the paper plane that hit then LIT the podium? Gone wihout a trace!

[GreenPartyVoter]

79. I see a crown of thorns on a head

[tridim]

10. So what does the monkey in the middle represent?

I vote for "miserable failure".

BTW, I think you're right about the subliminable 9/11's. There's really no reason why those flag images are rotated 90 degrees and have several stripes chopped off.

[libertypirate]

13. I don't know how to make the point that a portion of the flag

is not our national symbol. The whole flag is and the shape and size of that area could be filled with the entire flag but it wasn't.

Failure is success if your cuckoobananas!

[Chichiri]

11. You know, I think he's right.

It took me a moment to see it, but now that I do see it it's hard to miss. THAT could be why the flags only have 9 stripes.

It could be sheer coincidence. But I doubt it -- considering that, with an event like this, orchestrated by Karl Rove, every little detail about the presentation is micro-managed, from the color of Bush's tie downwards. I think it's intentional.

[OneTwentyoNine]

12. Here's what the flag should look like.....

Hate to be a tin-foiler but look at Chimps flags and compare...

[Broken Acorn]

14. I think the flags were supposed to symbolize 9/11

I don't see the '9' anywhere, but the way the flags are hanging definitely shows the 11.

It is very odd regarding the positioning of the flags.

If this was their intentions, just another reason to remove these neo-cons from power.

[smartvoter]

15. I see the 9 more easily in the little flags. nt

[cprise]

17. Connect the star field to the short red stripes

Then you'll see it.

[barbaraann]

16. Wow! You are right.

I'll bet they have a fulltime "Propaganda Graphics Specialist" on the payroll. Or maybe two.

[UncleSepp]

33. If so, they're outdated

Propaganda done with subliminal images doesn't really work. Subliminal advertising images don't really work, either. With words, you can do it, but the visuals need to be plain if not grotesquely exaggerated. This idea of hiding one image in another to affect the target at a subconscious level was fairly well discredited after the 80s. IIRC it was tobacco and alcohol campaigns which were supposed to have used images of sex and death in smoke curls and condensation to sell their products, but it was not shown to have any effect. Maybe that helps to date the producer of their set dressing.

[AlienGirl]

37. Vance Packard wrote some books about it

So I tried writing "fuck" and "sex" and drawing huge penises into the shading on my art projects to try to get a better grade. :shrug: Maybe their set designer has only now read The Hidden Persuaders.

Tucker

[pgh_dem]

18. IMO, it's enough that the flags resemble the two towers

And the staging of this political rally with a built-in audience is just icing on the catapult.

Some day, PR insiders and commentators will stop viewing these cheap visual gimmicks as clever.

Of course, that might be the day suckers stop falling for them, in which case, who would care?

[publius_jr]

20. I found this hard to believe at first.

Go to nytimes.com and watch their video. You can see the little flags more clearly & the height/width/spacing of the numbers on the little flags is near that of a normal font. Tough to believe, but there are a lot of funny things:

1. there are not the right number of stripes } ==> spelling-out
2. the flag is "backwards," } ==> 9 1 1
3. there are two big flags, like big towers

These guys are good (as in bad-good).

[bananas]

21. Here's an additional interpretation

SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-29-05 02:20 PM
"Subliminibly" evil..We report..You decide?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3981128

[Uncle Joe]

22. There is one thing that you can say about George W. Bush

He cannot spell or pronounce subliminal, but he sure as hell knows how to use it.

[SonofMass]

73. Doesn't that flag in your avatar spell out I-am-really-president?

[Uncle Joe]

75. No, that was in the Constitution before they trashed it in 2000 n/t

[bigendian]

23. You know what I see?

Smily faces between them.

[libertypirate]

24. I saw them before I noticed the 9 11

[elehhhhna]

48. man in the moon, imho

[Bravo411]

62. Back-lit Presidential Seal

Somebody at GNN.TV pointed that out to me.

[smirkymonkey]

36. I thought they looked like little ghost smiley faces!

I also see the 9/11 in the flags - even the star field is a bit curved on the bottom to make it look more like the upper half of the "9".

[montana500]

25. scary

that's all you can say.

[Bravo411]

26. I was wondering why they chose to represent the flag like that.

I thought it looked odd to see the field of blue on the left. It's usualy on top or on the right. If the flag had been simply rotated, it would have been at the bottom left. They reversed the image, then rotated it. The reverse-field is used on military uniforms, so I wonder if that had anything to do with it, since it was at Fort Bragg? Then again, what's with only 9 stipes?

[Catch22Dem]

41. That's the proper way to hang the flag vertically

It's a common misconception that you should simply rotate the flag 90deg clockwise, when that is not correct. When hanging vertically, the union should be upper left, as it is when hanging horizontally.

[Mick Knox]

27. looks like the twin towers?

I dont get it .. what?

[libertypirate]

28. look at the little flags....

They are all litterally in the shape of the numbers 9 11

[Mick Knox]

35. If you say so

:shrug:

wouldnt suprise me but i dont see it.

[Karenina]

49. Then look at the "folds"

in the larger flags. If you can't see it you've never worked in advertising or marketing. No sin. Both are FOUL endeavors. Been there, done that.

[ms liberty]

29. I see it...isn't hanging the flag that way a violation of protocol?

Aren't there rules and regulations about how to hang the flag? When you violate the protocols isn't that a desecration of the flag?

Why does W hate the flag?

[Scout1071]

38. There has to be some sort of flag protocol!

I'm going to do a little diggin.

[Catch22Dem]

42. Once again, that's the proper way to hang the flag vertically

It's a common misconception that you should simply rotate the flag 90deg clockwise, when that is not correct. When hanging vertically, the union should be upper left, as it is when hanging horizontally.

[Bravo411]

45. Point taken...

But why crop it?

[Catch22Dem]

54. Good question...wondering the same thing

I don't think that fucker belongs on stage with the flag anyway.

[tndemguy]

74. Flag Protocol

There is an official protocol for hanging the U.S. flag in that fashion. While you are correct that the union was displayed in the proper corner, the flag is supposed to lay flat, such that then entire union and all thirteen stripes can be seen. Clearly this was a poor representation of the U.S. flag, and on a military base, to boot.

See item # 8 on the attached link.

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

[LizW]

30. Yep, I see it

I see it more clearly on the larger flags. The blue field and the red stripe extending from its corner is the "nine" and the two long red stripes are the "ones".

These people are sick. I wonder what other subliminal crap like this they've pulled that we didn't catch?

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

39. I see...The Whole Blue Area is the round part of the 9

Unreal...I'd like to know from Scotty just who stage managed this flag message, who designed it, and what else are they working on for you?

BTW, Did you notice that after the speech, ALL the cable networks were (Forced?) to keep at least 1 camera on BushCO while he glad handed the troops for, like, 10 minutes. More image based stage managed propaganda, me thinks.

[Uncle Joe]

76. I did notice that when

I think it was Nancy Pelosi giving the Democrat response, and when she really began to critcize Bush effectively, they reduced the shot of her and showed Bush in a larger window shakiing hands with the troops. This is another subliminal way to tone down the focus on the criticism, while you are watching Bush shake hands in a big window, you may not be as apt to be listening to Nancy's or anyone else's criticism in a small window. One thing is for sure, while Bush spoke there were no other windows to distract from his message.

[onenote]

31. who gives a rats ass

Sorry, but I don't see it. If these guys wanted to link 911 and the flags they would just do it directly, not through some subliminal effect. Subtlety is not exactly their forte. But even if they did, big f'ing deal. Its the direct references in his speech that concern me, not the backdrop.

onenote

[fob]

67. It's not subliminal, it's blatant. They are clearly using a cropped

flag when they don't need to. If they used the full size flags on each side the filler part in the middle could just be a column skinnier on each side and voila! No need for cropping.

The subliminal message were bush*s words, the set is out in the open.

[Uncle Joe]

77. Sometimes Subliminal is more effective than direct.

You have to catch subliminal and sometimes you will not, in the meantime the subtle message has been implanted in your subconsious. I think everyone agrees that his speech said nothing new. It was just subliminal marketing.

[Scout1071]

34. OK, I'm puttin' on my foil, but I definitely see it.

This is astonishing and needs to be forwarded to the media.

It sounds a little goofy, but they are just that evil.

[SmileMaker]

46. Interesting.... just had a book cross my desk on how

advertisers embed sexual messages into pictures. Not sure if it works, but it's subversive, nonetheless and it's being done to affect the unconcious mind with messages about things that are too disturbing/dirty for the conscious brain. These ghouls use neuro-linguistic programming on us all the time. Thom Hartmann has articles on it and has discussed it on his show. I sent him this link. If anyone can talk with authority on this subject, it is Thom.

thomhartmann.com 12-3 m-f

[laugle]

50. After reading your post and looking at it,

I spotted it right away!!! That is just soooooooo disgusting, and It wouldn't surprise me a bit, that it was deliberate.

Also, I can't ever remember a president hanging the flag vertically, especially in a backdrop!

Sickening little minds!

[XemaSab]

51. Sharp eye!!!!!!!

You're totally right.

And it's not an accident.

[Rosco T.]

52. Would someone please draw an overlay on this... I'm blind n/m

[libertypirate]

56. Great Idea! Thanks.... Jumps out at you really

Here you go it's in every flag.



I didn't alter the image except for putting the boxes over what appear to be the numbers 9 and 11.

[jim3775]

55. Overlay

[libertypirate]

57. Here is another

It is good to have more people see it boy was that a cheap trick. Thanks



I didn't alter the image except for putting the boxes over what appear to be the numbers 9 and 11.

[pgh_dem]

60. Cheap tricks aside....I just noticed those transparent teleprompters

And it occurred to me that * never looked down (that I noticed)...but he kept turning pages....

what's up with that?

[Bigleaf]

61. Another one..

Could you also do an overlay on the Giant 9 in the center section between the large flags (the little white circles -start at the lower left circle and go up diagonally to the right and then the circle portion) and the 2 white stripes that run the length of the flag on the right?

[publius_jr]

63. wow

Good spot. This feels like a game. Find the hidden message. Oh shit, I just spotted something, the truth. And why is it that only the good presidents are shot at? hmmm. this scares me cause bush is the best president of all time and also the closest to god, and all people that close to god, like heracles and julius caesar and jesus christ are murdered and rise like a new-forming cloud up into the sky of heaven to hang out, eternally, with good-buddy god. i don't want bush to die. he is awesome. he gave freedom to the world. so what, we lost a bit of liberty. you, believe security > liberty, or else go directly to jail. murder is always wrong. criminals need to see their wrongs righted on earth. they need to see love, and hope, and then want them and not be able to get them, and then, we need to give them to them and let them love us, or something. it is better than nothingness. And in the second case, in which bush is the worst president of all time, well, at least he won't actually be shot, but methinks this duck has already been shot lame.

go quack quack you f-ing liar.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

58. .........hmmmm reminds me of this:

[jmcon007]

64. are you sure that isn't Mother Mary weeping?

[libertypirate]

65. Pretty sure that a repeat pattern is not a ghost!

[SmileMaker]

66. Thom Hartmann just mentioned the picture

says it's all over the blogosphere. Haven't had time to explore today.

[mccoyn]

68. I couldn't figure why he cropped it.

Its like he didn't want to recognize the entire country or something. I do see the 911 now that its been pointed out.

I think the whole thing could get more traction if we just said cropping the flag is unpatriotic. It is obvious they did that, but the subliminal thing is much harder to prove.

[ArkDem]

69. Plymouth rock is in the lower right hand corner.

[mccoyn]

70. It is the heartland flag.

[earth mom]

71. The fact that the LITTLE FLAGS are exactly the same really bugs me...

What's the point?! Are they trying to SCARE us or WARN us?! :wtf:

[Uncle Joe]

78. Fear is the answer.

They believe that if they can keep Americans afraid, that this will translate to more votes for Republicans. I believe that this type of thinking is going the way of the "liberal media myth", Americans are wising up as to which party, national security will be best served by and it is not the Republicans. Support our troops and vote Democrat.

[ArkDem]

72. This is an obvious plot to take over the world!!

[Roland99]

80. I thought something looked weird about them. How they waver, too.

[FearofFutility]

81. I didn't see it at first

But now I can't help but see it. Good catch.

[The Straight Story]

82. two flags do remind me of the two towers (nt)

[truebrit71]

83. You know, I initially thought this was bullshit....

..but the closer I looked, especially in the highlights that have been playing in the media, it looked VERY deliberately to me to be exactly as is suggested here....

Absolutely despicable..

[spiriteros]

84. Check this website for another possible answer to this...

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=74008

This website has another possible answer to this question.

[snot]

85. OMIGOD--I'm only half kidding--where did these dogs get these flags??!!

[CJCRANE]

86. The 9-11 Flag!

Of the 9-11 President
Of the 9-11 Party
Of the United States of 9-11

[gristy]

87. very interesting... This has been done before!

www.usembassy-mexico.gov/s911.htm

The flag/911 backdrop behind Bush was deliberate.

[CJCRANE]

89. Well spotted

[spiriteros]

88. The REAL skinny on the 9-stripe U.S. Flag...

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=73886

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=9+stripe+u.s.+flag

and, while we're on it...the meaning of gold fringe on SOME U.S. flags:

http://www.geocities.com/tthor.geo/840-10.html

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

finally, the meaning of your name in ALL CAPS in contracts:

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/law/U-Inc.htm

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:ijpb-5YCH-oJ:www.worldnewsstand.net/law/MEMO2.doc+name+%22capital+letters%22+contract&hl=en

Jay