So now we should worry about China playing the capitalism game?

[bribri16]

I guess there is no other nation on earth entitled to look out for its own nation. All nations should have the best interest of the US in mind when they do anything.

[whistle]

1. Right, how dare China be capitalists

[chelsea0011]

2. Too late to worry. Everything i$ "Made in China" these days

[leveymg]

3. Haven't you heard? Capitalist countries never invade each other

or act aggressively. Nothing to worry about.;)

[Karenina]

4. Please DO read this piece

written by a Viet Nam Vet who has done his homework.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3976563

[silver10]

8. Wow! I read it

Every time I think that shrubco can never be more evil than it is, and have reached the bottom of greed, corruption and callousness ... but how can I be still get surprised?

So, they are so greedy, that they would sell out their own country's (U.S.) economic well-being, and that of future generations. When eventually, no one has any more money to afford anything, will these shrubco people simply lock themselves up in gated communities? Will these communities have an infinite supply of clean water, air, and non-polluted food? Will they be self-sustainable for eternity?

[newswolf56]

10. Thanks for the link. Very interesting; it confirms...

...what I had long suspected. But remember AMTORG -- the consortium of capitalist enterprises Stalin brought into the Soviet Union during the early 1930s (this to help modernize the Soviet economy) -- which he then nationalized. China might well be baiting a similar trap, intending to nationalize all these industries and their liquid capital as soon as hostilities with the U.S. escalate beyond the point of no return. In fact I'd bet on it. Read Sun Tzu: the Chinese have been at the game of empire for about 50 centuries, while we've been at it for only 229 years.

[Karenina]

11. You nailed it!

:toast:

[silver10]

13. I agree with the fact that the Chinese are patient and into empire building

but if they plan to "nationalize" the companies they takeover in the same flavor as Stalin's communist efforts during the 1930s, that would be the least of our worries. Russian communism was a failure. They are smarter than that.

No, I should think they would be more likely to use the Japanese keiretsu model - overlap between corporate governance and industrial organization, even like a cabal, which are "illegal" in the U.S. Then we should be afraid, very, very afraid. They may not like the Japanese, even hate them, but since the Japanese have been very successful in business, they try to emulate them in that respect. That is my opinion, anyway.

[newswolf56]

17. We don't hear much about it anymore, but behind...

...its capitalist facade, China is still a Communist state, governed by its Communist Party. My GUESS (and that is all it is, because the Bamboo Curtain, which works both ways, keeps the truth about such things from being known with any certainty), is that the proceeds of Chinese capitalism -- while superficially invested back into the enterprises themselves -- are ultimately distributed among the Chinese people. As I remember, China made it clear it was not abandoning Communism, but rather modifying it, based on the failures of the Soviet Union, to make Communism competitive in the global economy -- this rather than trying to subvert capitalism, as the U.S.S.R. did. If my guesswork is correct, the implications for monopoly capitalism's New Global Order are dire indeed: America is being hoist by the petard of its own greed. (If anyone has any accurate information on this topic, please speak up; the last definitive work I read on China -- this apart from present-day Asia Times reports and other such journalism -- was 40 years ago: Felix Greene's seminal China: The Country Americans Are Not Allowed to Know.)

[malaise]

5. Still I need to know

how US and European companies can buy life sustaining resources like water in other countries and other precious resources, but it's not OK for China. This globalization-neo-liberal paradigm is unbelievably one sided.

[silver10]

9. please read Karenina's link ...

shrub et al have set it up for themselves, through international banks, that they win no matter what - American companies prosper, or Chinese companies prosper, to them it is all the same. It is the middle and lower class people on both sides of the ocean that lose out.

[malaise]

12. Thanks a lot

Good read.

[silver10]

6. capitalism should only benefit,

white western countries (sarcasm). It's not really capitalism if American elite corporate execs aren't exploiting poorer people and other nations of the world.

[dbonds]

7. Capitolism, at its full force, is greed and power.

No one wants to give up their power. Only when capitolism is regulated does it become fair to all.

[sendero]

14. Well...

... the US should have been paying attention a long time ago. Instead, our leaders have been looking out for the wealthy, and companies have been only too happy to exploit cheap Chinese labor.

The Chinese culture takes a long view of things, ours takes a 3 month view. They are going to kick our asses but it's really too late to do anything about it now.

[Karenina]

15. How have the Chinese

dealt with the Tibetans? Think about it.

[Igel]

16. Yes.

What do you call a that is

deeply nationalistic and
totalitarian country,
convinced that it's been kept from its true position in the world,
which is building its military,
which encourages free enterprise *so long as* it is still
in control over all of the large corporations?

Yeah, yeah, I know ... Lichtenstein. ;-)

[bribri16]

18. Here's the really scary thing: China was 'civilized' long before the US

Their culture and civilization has been around a hell of a lot longer than ours so I would venture to say that they know how to deal with us.

[Sooner75]

19. Chinese ascendency

WHATEVER the Chinese choose to do, it will be a major challenge to the rest of the world. For example, they're supposed to have millions of cars on their roads in the next 5 to 10 years. Result: the price of oil IS NOT going down.

They're using most of the world's concrete. They're building up a bigger, stronger navy to extend their influence. I read in a business magazine (Inc., I think) that Chinese automobiles will be sold here in the near future, and, of course, they're going to much cheaper than the brands we have now.

We're going to have to be smarter to meet these challenges from China -- a lot smarter than Bush and Co. Perhaps, Sun Tzu's most famous sayings goes something like this: "To win without fighting is best. Fight only when other means have failed." In Iraq, we resorted to fighting when it was not the last resort, and we are learning a lesson that, I believe, most Chinese children know. We are not winning without fighting. We are fighting without winning. I'll say it again. We're going to have to be a lot smarter to play on the same field with China.

[Neshanic]

20. Absolutely right. They have the looooong term in mind.

They have the smarts that only a culture that has been around so long can provide. They must see the ChinaMart executives from a mile away, as they come babbling about their vision, with blinders and not being able to see forward more than two feet.

We are soom going to be living in a Chinese world. Better get used to it. They gave us a taste of a powerfull drug called cheap and easy. The corporations all now are addicted like crack whores. Now we can't get enough, and keep going back for more.

Freepers will like their new Communist employers of the years to come. Or at least knowing that GM with China's help will sell them that truck made in China, that they sell for 30 grand, so they can go work at crap low wage job.

[realFedUp]

21. Why would we loan them money to build nuclear plants...

when they hold more of our debt than other countries?

Mind-boggling and surreal that it's not ok for
Iran to build nuclear plants, but China, it's ok.
Any more of our EP-3's shot down lately btw?