Do you think the Dem leaders really want to end the war in Iraq?

[Nikki Stone 1]

Or do they simply want to use the war issue as a way to get elected and then, keep the troops in Iraq, possibly starting a draft to do so?

I have always thought that if a draft came, it would have to be under a Democratic president.

[Mass]

1. Of course, they want tons of American soldiers to be killed

that way they will be able to say that Bush is bad :sarcasm:

[Hippo_Tron]

2. Hrmmm I thought about it and NO

[Free2BMe]

3. Hmmm..I didn't think about it and still said NO.

[mitchtv]

4. We have Leaders?? ha

I would have to say no, even Dr Dean says no

[mike_c]

5. no, I do not think most of them really want to end the war....

If they did, they'd be more adamant in their oppostion. If they did, they wouldn't have ponied up the IWR in the first place. Politicians generally view war as a rallying point for the voters, and an opportunity to seek proper placement on an issue they perceive as EXTREMELY easy-- at least until it all begins to go bad. The original projection was for a war that lasted a few weeks, no more than six months, and ended with a grateful Iraqi populace spoiling U.S. troops with love and gratitude. That's a politician's dream-- so what if a bunch of innocent people are killed and it costs a bunch of money? The patriotic fervor to get behind the architects of such a war more than makes up for those minor drawbacks. This is the mindset of most politicians, including the dem leaders. Like a junkie that got a bad bag, they're still pining for that hit of good war rah-rah juju.

6. Democrats and Republicans are united for war...

and they have to be, because the Democrats don't represent us and the republicans don't represent the "red-staters" they all represent the ruling class and the ruling class needs this war.

[formernaderite]

13. Precisely...

however, if it does become politically expedient to campaign against the war or to leave Iraq....you will see a political about face take place. Outside a handful of congressional representatives most of this lot is less ideological than increased political power.

[Mich Otter]

8. How long till Bush kills as many Iraqis as Saddam?

That bumper sticker gets to the point.
If Bush kills more than Saddam, does Bush win a prize?

[Nikki Stone 1]

9. "The original projection was for a war that lasted a few weeks"

Yes, and I think that is why there is all the protest coming from Congress now. No one in Congress (except a couple of off the chart Dems) was concerned about the legality of the war or whether or not it was the right thing to do. They still aren't. They are just upset that the war is lasting longer, costing more, and is more bloody than they were led to believe.

[bvar22]

7. Hell, the guy the Democrats ran for president....

...wanted to Win the War in Iraq (whatever that means...MORE dead Iraqis and Americans), INCREASE the Defense Budget, and EXPAND the War on Terra.

[dbt]

10. Democrats are in a hell of a position on bu$hwar.

Our supposed Leadership fell all over itself from 9/11 on to show how it "stood behind the pResident in this time of tragedy." Each "Democrat" did his/her/its dead-level-best to out-patriot the one who had just spoken. Every damned one of the lemmings lined up at the cliff that Rove built; they were determined to show the world that Democrats were NOT soft on terra, so stop saying that.

In short, they did it for personal gain. Just like bu$h's handlers did it for personal gain. Trouble is, the Democrats got a few fleeting brownie points and the Regime got BILLIONS of dollars.

Now, the Democrats are stuck--head, arms, legs and micro-peckers--in the Asphalt Infant, just the same as the Pugs are stuck. The difference is, the Pugs are getting OBSCENELY RICH.

[Mich Otter]

11. "the Pugs are getting OBSCENELY RICH"

Ain't Capitalism just peachy keen?
They are suppose to get filthy rich. Capitalism is all about concentrating as much wealth in as few hands as possible.

[ClassicDem]

12. Question is kind of loaded but I will bite.

In all honesty I think the Republican fuckers who are currently running the show have no intention of winning the war in Iraq in the next 3 years. They are going to drag this out with a limited supply of troops and leave it as a big shit sandwich for the Democrats in 08. Who ever gets elected in 08 is going to have to decide to A) re-instate the draft so their are enough bodies on the ground to try and win the war, B) pull out and receive the scorn from the international community or C) stay the current course and hold out for another 4-8 years until someone else gets elected to make the decision of A) or B).