America sez: It's Chimpeachment Time!

[MrBenchley]

Guess what?

"President Bush’s televised address to the nation produced no noticeable bounce in his approval numbers, with his job approval rating slipping a point from a week ago, to 43%, in the latest Zogby International poll. And, in a sign of continuing polarization, more than two-in-five voters (42%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.
...In a sign of the continuing partisan division of the nation, more than two-in-five (42%) voters say that, if it is found that President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should hold him accountable through impeachment. While half (50%) of respondents do not hold this view, supporters of impeachment outweigh opponents in some parts of the country."

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007

Remember, there's been next to no widespread coverage of stuff like the Downing Street Memo or the Niger yellowcake fraud...no serious discussion of this on-air or in newspapers, and hardly any murmuring about a Congressional investigation into wrongdoing...

Meanwhile, you might also recall that even after years of 24/7 phony propaganda about, and lots of phony investigations into supposed Bill Clinton scandals, there wasn't nearly as much public support for the impeachment in 1998 as there is right now for the smirky little War pResident, without any churn by the media machine.

And Bill Clinton's approval rating on the day he was impeached by the crotchsniff brigade was more than 20 points HIGHER that this corrupt drunk's are right now.

[leveymg]

1. When did Zogby start asking the Impeachment question?

That's the first I've heard of it - remarkably high numbers for it, considering.

This is important stuff. Kicked.

[MrBenchley]

2. Far as I can tell, this is the FIRST time

and yeah, those are amazingly high numbers right out of the box!

Even though folks like Faux and Chris Matthews screamed nearly nonstop for three years that Clinton should be impeached and removed, and even though impeachment was mentioned nearly every day for two years in newspapers and network news shows, and even though the public was polled (and push-polled) over and over again, I don't remember that any polls ever showed 43% public approval for Big Bill's impeachment--even on Faux noise.

[leveymg]

3. This is BIG NEWS. Please repost with a straight news title.

I like your analysis! :7

[MrBenchley]

8. I like my headline as it is!

One of my all time favorites here on DU was about the 2004 NRA convention: "Gun Nuts to Pimp for Chimp in Pittsburgh"...

While working for a trade magazine, I wrote a headline: "Saw Guide Guides Saw"

[leveymg]

14. I defer to your expertise as a headline writer.

The story's on the DU front-page now. Thanks for posting this.:thumbsup: :hi: :kick:

[MrBenchley]

15. Any time!

Again, 42% the FIRST TIME the question's even asked!!!!!

[leveymg]

17. There's hope for us, even after all that's happened.

Most Americans never really went crazy, the MSM just reports it that way.

[MrBenchley]

30. Exactly...

that's a huge number right off the bat, with no coaching from the media...

[Carla in Ca]

29. Good question.

[understandinglife]

4. Agreed. And, just imagine if, over the span of a week, our fellow ...

...Americans, had each section of the DSB report from Sept 2004 explained to them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3982913

Especially, if that explanation were placed in the context of the DSM, Plame, Edmonds, ....

I am amazed that the number is 42 %, given, as you note, how little coverage of the deception and illegality of Bu$h's aggression has been explained.

WATCH IT; SPREAD IT http://www.bushflash.com/right.html

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

[MrBenchley]

9. What I find most wonderful

is that the qualifier in the question is not really in any doubt--Chimpy lied.

[Selteri]

5. With enough support even a Republican Congress will Impeach

Rather than face losing thier cushy jobs.

[leveymg]

7. The GOPs are going to lose their Hill jobs anyway.

The whole rotten edifice is falling in. Even the troops hate the Bushite bastards for what they've done to this country.

Cheney's and his staff are about to be indicted. It's all coming down soon.

[MrBenchley]

11. Your lips to God's ears...

[gordianot]

12. I can't claim inside information.

But I am hearing that from people who might know nothing specific. Think indicted on several different fronts.

[senseandsensibility]

25. Can I have some of what you're drinking?

:) Seriously, I'd like to believe that. I really, really would. But the corporate media in this country can still "save" their baby bushy. After all, he's the corporate media's creation. And although they've thrown us a few crumbs lately, the media hasn't even begun to hit the chimp hard.

[MrBenchley]

10. I agree...

Going to be tough to explain to constituents that they felt a consensual humjob was worth impeachment, but that lies that led to hundreds of thousands getting killed and maimed isn't...

It's a hook that we can stick through damn near every Republican incumbent in 2006...

[Imagevision]

44. Impeachment can't happen fast enough

[goclark]

6. They secretly don't want the NeoCons In Either

I bet this poll will send them into a spin.

Wait until they go home for the 4th.

Bet they will get an ear full and be more "ready" to take Bush to the cleaners to save their own skin.


Let's Roll!

[MrBenchley]

13. Bring 'em on!

Let's make sure they get that earful!

[ginnyinWI]

16. Oliphant Cartoon

[MrBenchley]

31. Boy, THAT hit the nail right on the head, didn't it?

[Totally Committed]

18. B E A U T E O U S ! ! !

I love the thought of it!

TC

[MrBenchley]

32. Me too...

[Sooner75]

19. waste of time

Jerry Springer was on Air American Radio the other day arguing that impeachment would be a waste of time. By the time it played out, Bush would be pretty much on his way out anyway. I was persuaded by his argument.

Bush's support and approval are already swirling down the toilet. Let's keep that going, but let's not keep running against Bush. Keep up the drumbeat about his failure certainly, but go after the rest of the GOP who so eagerly clung to his coattails. THEY need to stay linked to Bush and his nutjob policies.

We need to focus on making significant gains in the mid-term election in 2006. THAT'S where the focus needs to be. THEN, after November 2006, let's get going on 2008 and get ourselves a ticket that can get 270 electoral votes.

[MrBenchley]

33. Not so....

"By the time it played out, Bush would be pretty much on his way out anyway. I was persuaded by his argument."
I'm not....let's start the ball rolling. Now. Let's make every Republican incumbent who was in office in 1998 or before tell America lies that left hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed are less serious than lies about a humjob.

[FourStarDemocrat]

46. Still, If the chimp could be impeched even one week before leaving office-

I'd be thrilled beyond belief. The main thing to focus on, is turning the House and Senate around to Democratic majorities in '06, then things will move faster than you think. If the House has a Dem majority, John Conyers will then be Chairman of the Judiciary Committee and he is prepared to begin immediately.


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[katinmn]

20. In some parts of the country 52% said he should be impeached

if he lied.

:)

[libertypirate]

21. Those "some parts" have higher population densities

then the other parts.

[katinmn]

23. Western US in more populated than East? That's news to me!

Among those living in the Western states, a 52% majority favors Congress using the impeachment mechanism while just 41% are opposed; in Eastern states, 49% are in favor and 45% opposed. In the South, meanwhile, impeachment is opposed by three-in-five voters (60%) and supported by just one-in-three (34%); in the Central/Great Lakes region, 52% are opposed and 38% in favor.

[MrBenchley]

34. What makes those numbers deadly for the GOP

is that most Americans have yet to learn that he lied...and there's no doubt that he DID.

[Independent_Liberal]

22. Hang in there folks! It won't be much longer now!

Bear with me!

:)

[MrBenchley]

35. As my friend Bob Boudelang says...

At Last, The Tunnel of the Light is Around the End of the Corner in Iraq!

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

24. Chimp: "Bring it on!"

And then we'll just have to

[Andromeda]

26. Why are you wasting your energy on ...

something that will never happen?

We would all like to see Bush impeached but it just ain't gonna happen!

[MrBenchley]

36. Hey, if you don't want to pitch in

get the fuck out of the way...

[Lochloosa]

40. Ditto...move over or get rolled over

[katinmn]

39. I have to disagree. We forced the DSM onto main stage.

We (the Internet army for justice) awakened the people and his approval ratings dropped so hard and so fast that he was forced to face the American people and tell his strategy for Iraq. (Which has not helped his approval ratings at all.)

Dem parties in at least three states plus Veterans for Peace and other national groups have publicly called for impeachment. Members of Congress are talking openly about impeachment.

His partner in crime, Blair, is being hauled over the coals in Britian.

We have a long ways to go but it is a worthy goal. I don't care if it takes until the last week of his second term. Bush should get a dishonorable discharge!

[MrBenchley]

42. The Republicans are counting on

apathy, despair, bigotry and ignorance.

[Sooner75]

48. and it's served them pretty well up to now....

[MrBenchley]

50. All the more reason to keep making noise and speaking truth

[Sooner75]

53. Agreed

Cynicism aside. Gotta keep speakin' up.

As ole Harry Truman said, "I don't give 'em hell. I just tell the truth, and they THINK it's hell."

[demokatgurrl]

27. IF??????? What is it with this

"if" bullshit? We all KNOW he lied. The sheeple just mean "if it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt", which, of course, will be tough b/c you need witnessess with the balls to speak.

No, impeachment ain't happening, and those "yes" responders know it. It requires the Repuke congress and Senate and they won't do it. Now if he maybe did some SEX-related thing.....

[MrBenchley]

37. Of course he lied....

That's what makes this poll such a dagger into the GOP heart...

[David Zephyr]

28. Did you say "impeachment" today?

You should.

With the potent word "impeachment" now beginning to linger over the Bush presidency, it does not bode well for the GOP in the fall of 2006.

[MrBenchley]

38. Say it loud and proud...

Impeach the corrupt, incompetent drunk.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

41. Really Interesting Numbers

Talk about your polarization. 43% of Americans disapprove of the job his doing, and 42% disapproved to the point of impeachment. Yoiks! Love him or hate him, I guess.

[MrBenchley]

43. At the beginning of the year

the idiots at CNN actually ran a story on their website with the headline "Public split on whether Bush is uniter or divider"...

Remember, Clinton's numbers were better than that in EVERY way when the GOP impeached him...which points up their hypocrisy and extremism...

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

45. You're telling me...

IIRC, public opinion polls overwhelming opposed impeaching Clinton, but the House Republicans did it anyway -- and got spanked in the 1998 midterms (and Newt lost his job). Republican outrage over lying and official misconduct was cooled somewhat over the past few years.

[MrBenchley]

49. Impeachment then was an issue....

why not again, so we can point out Republican extremism, dishonesty and hypocrisy AGAIN?

[magellan]

47. If not impeachment, there's always war crimes -- read this!

"And it seems to me that with the terrible scandal, Abu Ghraib, that we need -- we can’t, as they tried in Watergate to do, cut off the investigation at the small fry, at the lowest level. You have to look, and the international law precedence and American law requires it, you look up the chain of command. What I discovered by accident was that -- this is not a concern that I have alone -- President Bush's White House counsel, Alberto Gonzales, himself, who is now the Attorney General of the United States, wrote a memo in January 2002 to President Bush saying one of the reasons we need to opt out of the Geneva Conventions wasn't just because they didn't like the Geneva Conventions because they don't like treaties, but he said, we have to worry about prosecutions under the U.S. War Crimes Act of 1996. That, it turns out, is a federal statute that applies to any U.S. national, military or civilian, high or low, who violates the Geneva Conventions in certain ways. In other words, who engages in murder, torture, or inhuman treatment. And it's not just those who engage in it, it's those who order it or those who, knowing about it, fail to take steps to stop it. That means higher-ups."
----- Elizabeth Holtzman, former US Congresswoman who also served on the House Judiciary committee during Watergate, speaking on DemocracyNow! - Friday, July 1, 2005 (read the rush transcript here)

There's no statute of limitations on war crimes. So either way, these bastards will eventually find themselves on the hot seat.

[MrBenchley]

51. No statue of limitations...

Can you guess why they want John Bolton in place to try and destroy the UN?

[Catchawave]

52. 25% GOP polled favored impeachment....

NOW that's news! We may have enough floor votes afterall ?