Senator Coburn (R-OK) challenging Schiavo autopsy results

[paineinthearse]

Senator Coburn (R-OK) challenging Schiavo autopsy results

Chuck Todd, Hotline, reported live on CSPAN this morning that an Oklahoma newspaper is carrying a story quoting Coburn as saying the Schiavo autopsy is wrong, she was not brain dead. Apparently this occured during an interview on a local PBS outlet's news program.

Coburn, as I recall, is an OB/GYN, not a pathologist, and does not have access to the autopsy results.

I could not find anything in Google news. Does anyone have a Hotline subscription?

edited "account" to "subscription", added PBS detail

[Kelvin Mace]

1. Mail Mrs. Schiavo's brain to him

and tell him to use it to replace his existing, unused brain.

[Lerkfish]

3. LOL!

that cracked me up.

[blondeatlast]

39. Excellent idea! nt

[unhappycamper]

2. URL?

http://bugmenot.com may have an id/pswd for that site.

[paineinthearse]

4. They don't appear to have a web edition

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hotline+chuck+todd

Perhaps print only?

:shrug:

[kedrys]

5. C'mon, even Jebbie's given up

Do they have a name for what's WRONG with those people???? :grr:

[acmejack]

6. Coburn knows brain dead!

He has been for most of life! Let him embarrass himself, he's just so good at it.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

7. He obviously doesn't know how to even read a C-T scan!!!!

Anyone who went to medical school and saw the huge 'black' caverns in that Schiavo C-T scan didn't need to wait for the official autopsy results. It was obvious.

WHEN will the AMA start making statements against the practice of wingnut "doctors" illogical and unscientific pronouncements????

[napi21]

8. I heard Chuck say that this morning!

What is wrong with these Pubs? They don't accept the rulings from several dozen judges and now they don't accept the findings of hundreds of Dr.s who examined and tested Terri while alive, but even the pathologists after she died!

[paineinthearse]

9. Link?

Was it on PBS/NPR? Can you find a link?

[napi21]

24. No, it was Chuck Todd on cspan this am.

He works for Hotline. I guess there is a web site but you have to subscribe and it's very pricy!

[paineinthearse]

26. We have the story, see posts 21 & 23. nt

[readermostly]

11. When is this going to stop?

[Tesha]

32. Never. (NT)

[MuseRider]

10. Keep it up guys

and eventually even part of your base will think you are crazy. Go for it. How long before people start to shudder at the word Republican?

[jojo54]

12. O.K. I'm a little sick and tired of these so-called "doctors"

who are in politics. I like Dean, but if you're a doctor, then stay in medicine!!!!!

Medical degree=doctor
Political Science degree=politician

[formerrepuke]

13. This is the same Senator Coburn who says that the biggest threat

to America is gays -and gay marriage-.. the same Senator who wants abolish the National Endowment for the Arts, and who wants to make abortion illegal- even in cases of rape. No shit.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

18. Is he also the one who claimed "lesbianism" out of control in OK schools?

Sounds like the same OK Senator.

[JHBowden]

14. medical science shience

Who gives a shit about liberal elitist stuff like "evidence" and "reasoning." Faith and emotionalism are all we need!

:dunce:

[JCMach1]

15. Coburn is farkin' "Looney Tunes"

Take a look at any of his comments during the campaign...

[Walt Starr]

16. Um, Coburn is from Oklahoma

WTF does he have to do with Florida law?

:shrug:

[yellowcanine]

17. Coburn and Frist should start their own "Medical Diagnosis" Website.

[auburngrad82]

19. Isn't he the guy that advocates sterilizing poor people?

A true family values kinda guy.

[bobbieinok]

20. unfortunately, on the basis of conversations with many of my (former)

colleagues, he's saying what many Oklahoma voters want to hear

[KatyaR]

21. Here's the article . . . .

http://demookie.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18727

I will withhold my comments since he is from my home state, but, GEEZ, would someone please put a muzzle on this man? I'm tired of Oklahomans looking like idiots to the rest of the world.

[paineinthearse]

23. Thanks for the article

This is from DEMOCRATS OF OKLAHOMA COMMUNITY FORUM. There is no source link.



http://demookie.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18727

Coburn says Schiavo autopsy's inaccurate
By ZIVA BRANSTETTER World Projects Editor
7/8/2005

OKLAHOMA CITY -- U.S. Sen. Tom Coburn challenged the accuracy of Terri Schiavo's autopsy Thursday, saying he has a copy of the Florida woman's medical file. Coburn's comments came during the taping of a television show for the Oklahoma Educational Television Authority in Oklahoma City. He was responding to questions from a panel of journalists, including a Tulsa World reporter and Terri Watkins, a reporter from KOCO-TV in Oklahoma City. "I have on my desk a complete medical file of Terri Schiavo, and I would challenge the accuracy of many of the statements by people involved in that case in terms of her medical condition, and I would also challenge some of the autopsy findings based on what I have on my desk in Washington," Coburn said.

Coburn is an obstetrician and gynecologist and is not trained as a pathologist or medical examiner. He said he had reviewed Schiavo's medical file but had not examined her body. Schiavo collapsed in 1990, possibly from an eating disorder, spent 15 years on life support and died March 31. Her husband's request to remove her feeding tube was granted after a lengthy court battle in which President Bush, Congress, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and others became involved.

<snip>

Numerous court reviews of Schiavo's case all came to the same conclusion -- to allow the removal of her feeding tube. An autopsy report released June 15 found that Schiavo suffered severe, irreversible brain damage that reduced her brain to half its normal size. Jon R. Thogmartin, the Florida pathologist who performed the autopsy, wrote that "no amount of treatment or rehabilitation would have reversed the massive loss of neurons." Thogmartin studied Schiavo's remains, reviewed court, medical and other records, and interviewed her family members, doctors and others in making his determination. The autopsy also failed to substantiate any allegations of abuse.

Before Schiavo's death, Coburn was one of two doctors in the Senate to question her medical condition. Coburn was quoted by The New York Times as saying: "All you have to do is look at her on TV. Any doctor with any conscience can look at her and know that she does not have a terminal disease and know that she has some function." Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., who also is a physician, said in a speech on the Senate floor: "That is not somebody in a persistent vegetative state. . . . I question it based on the review of the video footage." After the autopsy results were released, Frist appeared on three network television shows, agreed with the findings of the autopsy and distanced himself from his earlier comments. "I never, never, on the floor of the Senate made a diagnosis, nor would I ever do that," he told NBC's "Today" show. Coburn said "the Senate probably stepped too far" in its handling of the Schiavo case. "The question is," he said, "do people that have impaired brain function -- what's their future now based on the rulings that we have about the Terri Schiavo case?"

more......

p.s. Welcome to DU :hi:

[Love Bug]

35. I'd like to know in the name of HIPAA regs he got a copy of her file

I can't think of any scenario where he's entitled to it or entitled to show it to anyone else.

[alarimer]

22. Give it rest, Coburn!

These cretins will not stop.

[Roland99]

25. What a fvcking putz. Doesn't he condone killing gays, too?

Someone put him out of our misery, please.

[Stinky The Clown]

27. NEWZFLASH for Coburn ........

yer wrong onna lotta stuff, you fuckin' holywaterhead ......

[okieinpain]

28. now you know why I keep the handle "okieinpain".

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

33. If it makes you feel any better, remember who we have in Pennsylvania...

Rick man-on-dog Santorum who was deeply involved in the Schiavo intrusion and has a new book coming out, "It Takes a Family", telling women to do their duty: barefoot, pregnant and homeschooling. Now he is endlessly embarrassing to Pennsylvania.

Feel any better.:hi:

[okieinpain]

34. I hear you loud and clear.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

29. Keep ranting dipsticks maybe people will realize how nuts you are

[youspeakmylanguage]

30. They can't face reality, no matter how damning it is...

As their political world slowly crumbles around them, don't be suprised if more heads get stuffed in the sand.

[Gregorian]

31. Anything but DSM/Plame.

In fact, I say we fine politicians who aren't seriously involved in politics.

THIS IS NOT POLITICS, CLOWN.

edit-Furthermore, this feigned interest in life is total bullshit, as evidenced by his complete disregard for those who died illegally to cluster bomb and napalm, in Iraq. And those who are suffering immensely in Darfur.

Americans are so stupid to let this bullshit slide under their noses, and not be enraged.

[LittleClarkie]

36. Oh, fucking hell, let her rest in peace, damn it!

Get over it! You were wrong! Hello and welcome to reality!!!

[Zhade]

37. Some people are so desperately stupid they'll believe anything.

Like, anyone who agrees with this nutjob.

[Ian David]

38. Isn't Tom Coburn the guy accused of anally raping his wife?

I could be wrong.

I'm googling it now.

on edit: I remember it was some congressman who was also an ob/gyn.

The guy's defense was that he "accidentally" put it in the wrong hole, and Al Franken commented that he himself had never made that mistake, so he doesn't understand how an OB/gyn could get it wrong.

[PaDem]

40. I was stunned when this guy won office.........

what an indictment on the state of Oklahoma.

[tibbir]

41. These people will just not give up.

[ReadTomPaine]

42. Since his own brain scans are identical, I can understand his confusion.