Our nightmare: Liebernan third?

[ringmastery]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr040125.asp

Would third place make Lieberman competitive in the south? I shudder to think about it. But Gallup has him in 3rd ahead of Clark and Edwards.

[wyldwolf]

1. He'd fizzle in the south

[Guaranteed]

27. Man, he's got a lock on the pro-war crowd.

I TOLD you guys to watch out for Lieberman! He's gonna have a solid 10% of the Dem vote in any state he goes to, and I'd guess even MORE in the South.

The guy'll never win the nomination...nowhere near it. Don't worry about that. But, he's gonna be around, if he can afford it, probably most of the race. And he'll only get stronger as other candidates drop out.

[lancdem]

2. He won't do well in the South

[auburnblu]

20. Lieberman won't do well in the South???

http://www.insideradvantage.com/stories/2003/may/6/1082558.shtml

Anybody remember when Lieberman was leading in the polls and once upon a time led in the South Carolina polls too.

Remember, remember, Lieberman was involved in the civil rights movement, is a very spiritual person, is viewed as strong on defense and hasn't really seemed to favor gay marriage. Remember these are Democrats in South Carolina voting. Do people on here really think that Baptist African-Americans run around every day saying "oh if only we had civil unions, it would be a paradise." Not that I have noticed, on many issues African-Americans are pretty darn conservative. Do southerners respect someone that they believe won't try to suspend their child for saying God in school, probably so and who gets that nod, a hint it ain't Dean or Kerry.

[overground1]

26. Lieberman will carry Florida. A state we NEED to win, mind you.

[SadEagle]

3. Gallup is the only one placing him that high.

He does indeed seem to have some Joe-Mentum, but Edwards is also moving up...

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

9. Don't underestimate Lieberman's ability

to connect with religious conservatives. Lieberman is the most underestimated candidate on DU - I think he might surprise some of us here.

[morgan2]

4. i wouldn't be suprised

Lieberman is all over tv.

[robbedvoter]

5. gallup playing games again?

[overground1]

6. What's wrong with Lieberman? At least he picks a position and sticks to it

And he's willing to take the heat for it rather than turning tail and running at the first sight of fire. Kerry and Edwards have both voted with Lieberman, and then changed their positions afterwards. Clark just makes up positions as he goes along, changes them, changes them back, flip-flops back, denies he ever made any of the previous statements, and finally winds up with a vague and meaningless position.

[Mass_Liberal]

7. he's whiny

he's annoying. He sounds lame in debates. He is conservative. Need I say more?

[overground1]

12. Dean wears "conservative" as a badge of honor, don't forget

And I am a Dean supporter, BTW. But we need to be carefull about how we phrase things.

I agree that Lieberman is whiny though. But do we really choose a president based on who has the most soothing voice?
Why was Barry White never president?

[OKNancy]

8. Problem is that the positions he is sticking to

are dead wrong.... and he's just dead.

[salin]

11. Have to agree... Lieberman has the distinction

of being the only dem candidate I have ever rooted against upsetting a sitting republican (the more liberal Sen. Lowell Weicker.)

[morgan2]

10. lieberman or kucinich winning the nomination

makes my decisions real easy. Lieberman vote third party, kucinich vote for him.

[patricia92243]

14. Actually, you're right. I've tried tofigure out why I don't care for him.

I think I've finally figured it out.
He has played the "folksey, good ol' boy" with all the "homey" saying until it got on my nerves.

Then when he thought he got some sympathy about the Gore deal - off comes the nice-guy face and here comes the vicious person he really is.

[Turbo]

16. Clark would do better to just say....

Although a Gen. Clark campaign can only bring good things to the Democrat Party, I for the life of me cannot understand how he can stand there and deny straight-faced that he wrote and said all those supportive things about Pappy Bush and Reagan several years ago.

It kinda ruins his credibility, sorry to say.

He should just say he changed his mind.

Another thing. How can anybody be sure he REALLLY voted for President Clinton in 92 and VP Al Gore in 2000 like he claims when he also says he voted for Reagan and Bush the father? Something don't mesh.

[overground1]

19. Exactly. He lies about so many things, he may be lying about that too

He knows if he wants ANY credibility among Democrats, he has to say he voted for Clinton and Gore. He also claims he voted for Carter, but only the first time.

The pattern I see here is he claims to have voted for the candidate who got the most votes every single election.
This is clearly a man who is deathly afraid of being unpopular. That is why he says whatever people want to hear at every opportunity.

[Kathleen04]

22. How can you be SURE he

voted for Nixon and Reagan? Because he himself said so. He doesn't have to tell anyone his votes.

If he was going to lie..why wouldn't he fully lie and say he's been voting for Democrats all his life? That would make more sense politically, because of this I believe he's being honest. Voting is private..all there is to go on is his word, and he didn't have to tell anyone who he voted for.

[overground1]

25. maybe he had to admit he voted for Nixon and Reagan because he's praised

everyone from their cabinets so much for years and years.

[Kathleen04]

28. Unsubstantiated..

[dennis4868]

44. Clark just makes up positions as he goes along?

Excuse me but do you know the history of the war in Kosovo....he took a very controversial position not held by anyone in the pentagon and won the battle.....nuff said!

[salin]

13. what's Lieberman's strategy? Where does he focus his efforts

after NH?

[dolstein]

30. That's easy -- Delaware, Oklahoma, and Arizona

He has a pretty good organization in these states, and a lot of endorsements.

[salin]

43. thanks eom.

[Carni]

15. THAT WOULD SUCK

Sorry...couldn't think of anything intelligent to say when thinking of that bush lite embarrassment in third place.:(

[Kathleen04]

17. I think this is our collective nightmare.

Something we can all unite about. :)

[overground1]

24. Not mine. I want Clark to finish dead last.

Whenever I see Clark, alarm bells go off in my head. DANGER, DANGER!
He's just a liar saying what he thinks Democrats want to hear so he can become the most powerful man in the world.

He would have been a Republican if Karl Rove had wanted him. He will and always has done anything for power. I do not trust him and would feel safer as an American with even Lieberman.

Of course Lieberman doesn't have a chance for the nomination, and I am praying that Clark won't either.
So until Clark drops out, it's "Go Joe!" for me.

[Kathleen04]

32. Be careful what you wish for...

Dean could be a victim to "Joementum" too.

[THUNDER HANDS]

18. If Lieberman finishes third, Edwards supporters should be happy

I could see Joe going negative against Kerry, bringing both men down (ala Dean and Gephardt) and making Edwards able to rise above the fray and come out on top in the South.

If...Lieberman does finish third.

[Piperay]

21. Even if he came in first

he'll never get the nomination. Democrats associate him to much with losing and will never pick him, anyway that's what the 'experts' say. :shrug:

[anti-NAFTA]

23. Lieberman is a scumbag

I doubt he would win a single primary.

[dolstein]

34. Does that make Dean a scumbag too?

At this rate, I doubt he'll win a single primary either (the DC "primary" was nonbinding).

[Abigail147]

42. Surely you jest.

We have had one lousy primary and Iowa is not representative of the rest of the country. Iowa has a lot of "nice" bland people who like their candidates the same way.

[dolstein]

29. Sorry -- no real Democrat would lose any sleep over a Lieberman presidency

Joe Lieberman's a liberal on social policy, a moderate on economic policy and a hawk on foreign policy. In short, he's a JFK Democrat.

[WillyBrandt]

31. He's a George Bush Democrat

What total nonsense, calling this dope a JFK Democrat. The reason I'd lose sleep over his nomination is because Lieberman is in no sense a champion of the Democratic Party.

Would JFK have publicly rebuked Clinton over the Lewinsky blowjob?

Would JFK have let the GOP steal an election in Florida and do nothing to remain above the fray?

[dolstein]

33. Let's stick to the facts, shall we?

The fact is that Lieberman has opposed the Bush administration on every high profile issue except for the Iraq War Resolution. He opposed the Ashcroft nomination. He opposed the Bush tax cut bills. He opposed the Bush administration on their efforts to weaken protections for workers in the Dept. of Homeland Security (it was Daschle, not Lieberman, who caved on that). He opposed the Pickering and Estrada nominations. He even parted ways with the administration on their faith based initiative, choosing the back a bipartisan proposal.

And as for the Iraq War Resolution, need I point out that most Democrats in the Senate, including Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and John Edwards voted for it?

What other Bush proposals has Lieberman supported? There's the Leave No Child Behind Act, which, once again, had widespread support from Democrats. He supported the Senate version of the prescription drug bill, which Ted Kennedy supported. Are you going to start calling Ted Kennedy a Bush Democrat? Because the fact is, Kennedy has handed Bush as many political victories as a Zell Miller has.

And who are we kidding. The fact is that most DU'ers would have HATED JFK, and I suspect JFK would have had about as much use for DU as he had for Helen Gahagan Douglas (in other words, not much). In 1960, liberal Democrats backed Stevenson and Humphrey.

[WillyBrandt]

36. Enron, and the general question of corporate regulation

Lieberman has been crappy on this, and has a bad liking for cuts in capital gains tax rates. This shifts the burden further from capital to labor.

[dolstein]

41. Ok, let's try to bring ourselves back to the facts once again, shall we?

The fact is that Lieberman was the ONLY Democratic committee chairman to subpoena documents from the White House.

And the fact is that Lieberman is actually proposing to make the tax more MORE progressive, by giving middle class taxpayers a real tax cut and repealing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. And in case you've missed it, Kerry's at least as big a fan of capital gans cuts as Lieberman is.

[overground1]

35. a lot of people will oppose Lieberman because he's jewish,

just as they opposed JFK because he was catholic. Some things never change.

[WillyBrandt]

37. Who are you saying is opposing Lieberman because he's Jewish?

The same folks who are supporting the half-Jews Clark and Kerry, the husband of one, Howard Dean, the huge fans of the late Jewish Sen. Paul Wellstone?

Exactly what are you saying?

[overground1]

38. I'm saying there is a general resistance, just as there was for JFK

I am quite sure that if Lieberman wasn't jewish he'd be 10 to 12 points higher in the polls.

[WillyBrandt]

39. Why are you sure of this being the case in the Democratic primary?

[Forkboy]

40. I'll say it again

If the Dems are truly stupid enough to nominate this man we deserve Bush.

[9119495]

45. Fear not! Lieberman is only a possible third because Independents and

Republicans registered as independents can vote in the Dem primary. Something like 60-70% of NH voters will be eligible to vote in our primary. Thus, NH might actually be "freeped." I'd love to see who the Lieberman voters REALLY are.