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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:20 PM
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Daily Howler on Rove: liberal web adopting dumbness of Rush & cronies
Caution is not without its merits, but I seem to remember the Howler advised extreme caution on the no WMDs argument long after it had become fairly clear there really weren't any WMDs. At some point, you have to abandon caution and actually throw some punches. Given the fairly strong appearance Rove at least lied and maybe even committed a serious crime, I think the "liberal web" is well within its rights not to wait silently for the grand jury to act. I guess I'm not convinced the examples below prove we're "dumb," but maybe as a liberal, I'm just too dumb to see it.

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But then, the pseudo-con virus—sheer stupidty—is clearly infecting the left. Consider reaction to this week’s Newsweek piece about Rove’s contact with Matt Cooper. Michael Isikoff reports the text of a contemporaneous e-mail in which Cooper described his conversation with Rove. But does the e-mail show that Rove committed a crime? Such talk is widespread on the net. But here’s the key sentence in Isikoff’s report—a sentence which puts that conclusion in doubt:

ISIKOFF (7/18/05): Nothing in the Cooper e-mail suggests that Rove used Plame's name or knew she was a covert operative.

Did Rove know that Plame was “covert?” According to conventional understanding of the legal case, a leaker would have to know this fact to be guilty of criminal conduct. And the Newsweek report explicitly says that Rove may not have known. But so what? All over the web, triumphalist typists tell the world that we how have Rove dead to rights. And tortured reasoning is all around. See, for example, this illogical post, approvingly linked to by Atrios. Or see Josh Marshall’s “careful review,” which shows that Rove “almost certainly” knew. The review may be careful, but it doesn’t show much. For “careful,” we’d substitute “tortured.”

Did King Karl know that Plame was covert? Let’s note one key point for the record: Under terms of the most relevant statute, it isn’t clear that Plame really was such an agent. (Under terms of this statute, a “covert” agent is someone "who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States.” It isn’t clear that Plame qualifies.) At any rate, if Rove didn’t know that Plame was covert, it isn’t clear that he committed a crime—and no one has really begun to show that he had such knowledge. But so what? This hasn’t stopped the triumphalist liberal web from aping the pseudo-con world of the 90s. In that decade, everything Clinton did was a crime, and every bit of “evidence” “proved” it. This produced a decade of sheer stupidity—a decade the liberal web starts to match.

Did King Karl Rove commit a crime? We don’t have the slightest idea. But it’s sad to see the liberal web adopting the dumbness of Rush and his cronies. Over the course of the past several decades, sheer stupidity has been a core value of the talk-show pseudo-con right. Excitable people on the left are discovering the age-old appeal of this value—a value which is rapidly spreading into the liberal web.

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:30 PM
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1. Why didn't Rove volunteer to testify two years ago then?
You act like a criminal, and some people might think you *are* a criminal. Like me. Send the bastard up.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:32 PM
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2. The dumbness of Rush and his cronies managed to get....
bush in office (I will never admit he was elected), a republican house and a republican senate. It is about time we start adopting some of that dumbness to the liberal/democratic cause.
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drumwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:36 PM
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4. We don't want to adopt the same "dumbness"
What we do want to adopt is the same viciousness and willingness to hit below the belt. That's not always the same as stupidity, although they go hand in hand.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:59 PM
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6. The right has been "dumb like a fox" and I think we have to start....
using some of their tactics. Keep pounding on the DSM, Rove and Plame, no WMD's, anything and everything they have done. It's a shame the bush Texas Air National Guard story and how he didn't serve his time was put to bed. bush lied, rove lied, cheney lied and keep it up non-stop.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 06:56 PM
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7. I think you're very much on point. Our spectacular record of failure
suggests we try something new.
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drumwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:34 PM
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3. About the Daily Howler's broader point....
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 02:35 PM by drumwolf
The right's celebration of ignorance doesn't seem to have hurt them much at the moment. They hit below the belt, and I'm all for doing the same thing back to them.

EDITED TO ADD: Is the Daily Howler a DLC blog like the Bull Moose?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:46 PM
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5. I think Somerby's being deliberately obtuse
Whether Rove knew Plame was covert or not doesn't cut any ice with me. He was trying to put pressure on or to discredit Joseph Wilson, who at the time was punching holes in the Bush administration's rationale for invading Iraq. It's pretty clear that Rove, having lawyered up, thinks he's at some legal risk, and the evasive mealy-mouthed performance by Snottie at today's press gaggle is strong evidence that the larger administration thinks Rove may be in some peril.

Rove is clearly flailing in some very deep water. Somerby wants to throw Rove a life preserver; I prefer throwing him an anchor.
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