Did the London bombers know that their deaths were part of the plan, too?

[Benbow]

I am beginning to doubt it.

[aquart]

1. Why? Have they found out it was suicide bombers?

I thought only the guy on the bus who was fiddling with his knapsack?

You know more? LINK?

[Benbow]

2. Circumstantial at the moment but personal documents belonging to three of

the four men have been found close to three of the explosions.

Police tonight said they believed four men who arrived at King's Cross last Thursday morning on a train from Leeds were behind the terrorist bomb attack that killed at least 52 people on three tube trains and one bus.

The bus bomber is believed to be dead, and police said there was "strong forensic and other evidence" a second bomber died at Aldgate. Investigators are now trying to establish if the other two are alive or died in the explosions.

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Deputy assistant commissioner Peter Clarke, the head of the Metropolitan police's anti-terrorism branch, said CCTV footage at King's Cross station showed the four suspected bombers together at 8.30am.

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The investigation has already established that personal documents bearing the names of three of the four men were found close to three of the explosions.

Property in the name of the suspected bus bomber - reported missing by his family on the morning of July 7 - was found on the No 30.

Property of a second man was found at Aldgate, and property belonging to a third was found both at Aldgate and at Edgware Road.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1526712,00.html

[JohnnyBoots]

3. whether they were suicide or not, where did

get the millitary grade bombs explosisves?

[PretzelWarrior]

4. so are you guys cranking up the "MIHOP" tinfoil?

just wondering. because that sounds like something people would try to concoct. that western powers would have their agents on the trains/bus and have them place the bomb...but before they could do that--KAABOOOMM!

I hope that's not what you're saying. We shall see what they find out..but it is extremely unlikely this is anything other than the work of al queda suicide bombers.

[aquart]

6. I don't know who they are.

Many stories have been floated since the blasts.

[shance]

5. You're assuming they're dead because mainstream media says so?

Since when have they been honest?

[Tom Bombadil]

33. Mainstream media may be gutless

in the USA but in Britain it is extremely thorough. The BBC, Channel 4, Guardian, Independent are all reliable news sources. BBC prides itself on its impartiality, honesty and on holding the government to account.

MSM USA is not the same as MSM UK.

[Benbow]

38. Remains of bombers, as well as their property, has been found

according to police reports. But yes, like a lot of people, I realise that there may be disinformation being put out. Perhaps the bombers just left their wallets and documents and rucksacks on the trains and walked away; and perhaps the police are only pretending to believe that finding the bomber's wallets at the scene of the explosions proves they died. So that if this is not the case, if they did only leave their stuff on the trains to make it look as if they died too, then they might relax and drop their guard.

I really don't know. But it is a very dangerous time - in East London, too, mosques have been attacked and there has been at least one attempt to set alight a church. (Luckily, a water pipe either broke or melted - it might have been made of lead - and put out the fire. Some might see the hand of God there.)

Not helped by motormouth Baroness Nicholson saying that there civil war has started; and then she had to explain that she only meant that Britons had attacked Britons. (Like that hasn't happened before last week?)

[Garfield Goose]

7. Good question

As I understand it, many homicide bombers are recruited from the ranks of the mentally deficient, simply because they are very malleable and unaware of the circumstances that they are putting themselves in.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

8. RW loaded term

What bombers are NOT homicidal? It's like "criminal thieves."

Search by author, here I go.

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

10. The "political correctness" is YOUR term, not mine.

Which is more recent, and artificially crafted to "convey a message"? I rest my case.

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

12. The concept of "figure of speech" is clearly alien to you.

So I'll spell it out in baby steps.

It's a metaphor.

It means I believe there's nothing else that needs to be said in my argument.

Like lawyers do during "trials".

Emphasis on "LIKE". It means I'm not REALLY a lawyer.

And this is not REALLY a trial.

I'm just borrowing a phrase.

Capisce?

Oh, now I see you have me on Ignore. I'll finish the post anyway. Maybe someone else will relay it to you so you can make better use of the English language in the future.

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

14. Trying to get back to the subject

Please someone ask Mr. Goose here why he thinks "homicide bomber" is a more accurate term than "suicide bomber". I'm still curious about that.

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[TheWatcher]

17. Oooooooooooo Does that get me on Double-Secret Probation Ignore?

"Hey Earl! Git Over here. We done found us another one!"

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

22. Bwahahahaha

:rofl:

[TheWatcher]

16. I have a feeling you are going to be on A LOT more

Ignore lists than him. :)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

18. You know what? I'd rather that not be the case.

You can't alert on ignored posts.

[TheWatcher]

21. Allow me :)

Done and Done :)

[Garfield Goose]

20. Sorry you feel that way.

I lost someone very close to me on 9/11 and as far as I'm concerned, anyone who purposefully straps a bomb to their worthless body or rams a plane into a building of innocents is a fucking homicide bomber. I won't change my stance for anyone.

[asthmaticeog]

23. And people who set bombs off remotely commit what, then, if not homicide?

ALL bombers who kill commit homicide. Bombers who intentionally kill themselves in the process are suicide bombers. You see, we use different words for them, because they do different things. Use of "homicide bomber" for "suicide bomber" is straight from a RW talking-point memo.

[Garfield Goose]

25. And I use the word Homicide Bomber

Because I don't EVER want people to forget the intent of their actions as well as the lowlife POS scum people such as these are. And I'm not changing my stance for anyone. If that gets me outed from this community, so be it.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

26. Somebody tell Mr. Goose "homicide bomber" is TWO words, not one.

And that's called a "phrase."

[arwalden]

35. And It's Unnecessarily Redundant... And It Just Sounds Idiotic.

[Bat Boy]

36. Well that plumb skipped my mind.

Thanks for the reminder.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

27. Ask him how he would discuss this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1622610

I ask this because he said he has me on Double-Secret Probation Ignore.

[asthmaticeog]

37. I suspect there's no point in asking him shit, bro.

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[TheWatcher]

15. "Homicide Bombers"

Didn't take long for the mask to come off did it? :eyes:

[leftofthedial]

24. TIN FOIL! TIN FOIL! CONSPIRACY THEORY! CONSPIRACY THEORY!

I know that if Pat Buchanan doesn't say it on TV, we're not supposed to discuss it here, but . . .

Were these guys patsies who thought they were part of the anti-terror exercises?

[LittleClarkie]

28. What proof do you have for MIHOP?

Any at all?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

29. I don't see any hint of MIHOP in the OP (nt)

[LittleClarkie]

30. I guess it was "the plan"

that made me think the OP was headed that way. What plan?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

32. Could be the terrorists using unwitting pawns somehow.

As the resistance in Iraq shows, not every Muslim who blows shit up has to be suicidal.

[Pepperbelly]

31. Why would you doubt it?

I expect they can run the whole thing now from the CCTV and follow them through the whole thing.