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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:07 AM
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Karl Rove: Just One Simple Question
If, as the recently released RNC talking points suggest, Karl Rove is a hero who deserves a medal... why didn't he come forward two years ago?

In 2003 the White House fell all over itself to declare that the Plame leaker would be dealt with. Scott McClellan called the leak "a very serious matter," saying, "if anyone in this administration was responsible for the leaking of classified information, they would no longer work in this administration." George W. Bush said, "If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is and if the person has violated the law, the person will be taken care of."

Today a Wall Street Journal editorial said that "Mr. Rove is turning out to be the real 'whistleblower' in this whole sorry pseudo-scandal." Curiously, that's exactly the line taken by the Republican National Committee's recently-released "Wilson/Rove Research & Talking Points."

Meanwhile Scott McClellan remains stonily silent on the affair. But why bother making an official statement which will make the White House look like the world's worst hypocrites when you still have media outlets who will simply reprint RNC talking points as if they are fact?

The question still remains: if Karl Rove is a hero, why didn't he come forward two years ago?

Why did he allow his colleagues - not to mention the president - to make embarrassing statements about bringing the leaker to justice? Why did he sit back and watch while journalists were threatened with jail time? Why didn't he step forward and reveal his role in the leak? After all, the leak - we are told by the RNC - was a principled, honorable action!

Here's why: because what Karl Rove did was politically motivated, potentially criminal, injurious to the national security of the United States, and at the very least embarrassing to his White House colleagues who had already insisted that the leaker's head be brought to them on a platter. But, more importantly, he thought he could get away with it.

Just one thing went wrong: he got caught. So now the RNC is blasting its laughable talking points to its right-wing media proxies that will publish them almost word-for-word. Hey, it's "fair and balanced," dontcha know? One one hand we have the truth, on the other we have the RNC's talking points. Better give them equal time.

So come on Karl, you whistleblower, you saint - explain to the American people why you were willing to let reporters go to jail to protect yourself, and why the White House is still refusing to comment on your heroics.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:10 AM
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1. He didn't think he would get caught 2 years ago.
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patrioticliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 02:08 PM
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18. exactly
what a coward
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:10 AM
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2. He can't explain--he's a traitor and thug, plain and simple!
String him up with the whole band of criminals!
I've had it!
:spank:
:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:22 AM
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3. Excellent point. Absolutely.
There is foul intent written all over this. If it was so damn innocent, why didn't he say something long ago. :thumbsup:
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johnnomac Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:58 AM
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7. I like the picture!!!
By any chance did you see the Daily Show last night (Tuesday)? Scott was featured pretty prominently.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 02:06 PM
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17. Too humble to step forward and claim his MEDAL, no doubt.
:sarcasm:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:24 AM
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4. Karl is covering for Dubya...
That's why Laura felt compelled to come out this morning and defend Karl Rove - because she is defending he revengeful husband.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:25 AM
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5. Seriously! All of this could have been cleared up 2 years ago with
his simple explanation, "I didn't know she was a covert agent, and besides, I never actually said her name!"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:38 AM
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6. Oh, I've got a better question than that
what's so heroic about telling Cooper who "really" sent Wilson to Niger when that has no bearing whatsoever on the content of Wilson's report, which proved to be accurate? Given that the report was accurate, why was Cooper being steered away from it?
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 02:04 PM
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16. It's all smoke and mirrors.
Like everything else, they find one talking point and just beat it to death until most people forget what the original argument was. We've seen this before. If they are "attacked", they pick one point that they feel they can cast doubt upon and totally ignore the main issue.
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:00 AM
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8. Very good points.
And for those good points you get (ding, ding) vote #3!

May the WSJ editorial board spend the rest of 2005 trying to locate their souls.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:08 AM
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9. Rove was willing to let a reporter go to jail for him...
Doesn't sound very heroic or righteous to me.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:20 AM
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11. It is if you consider reporters to be the enemy.
It is reporters who have the power to topple the Bushitler regime.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:19 AM
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10. While I appreciate the question, I can't comment on an ongiong...
blah blah blah.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:24 AM
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12. Big heads eventually deflate.
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wug37 Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:48 AM
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13. "That person will be taken care of"
So Bush said "If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is and if the person has violated the law, the person will be taken care of."

By taken care of, is he referring to giving that person a medal of freedom? Promotion?
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Fritz67 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:26 PM
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27. It depends...
...on what the definition of "if" is, I guess.
:eyes:
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McSpazitron Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 12:18 PM
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14. Excellent points!
Nice.

:)
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MajorFlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 01:33 PM
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15. "if Karl Rove is a hero, why didn't he come forward two years ago?"
It would appear that Rove is a coward. No wonder he gets along with the shrub.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 02:10 PM
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19. Two names. In the end we have to have TWO names
"Two senior administration officials...."
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 02:11 PM
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20. What a tangled web we weave......
History is littered with those who were certain they were just too smart and clever to be caught lying. Even if they were found out, they were confident they could lie their way even out of that.

Rove was clever enough to accumulate a lot of money and political notches on his belt. He's just not clever enough to know when to come clean and tell the truth....for a change.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 05:02 PM
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21. Excellant piece - very well put together!
But, more importantly, he thought he could get away with it.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 05:29 PM
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22. This proves two things:
1: The Bush Cabal is above the law.

2. The Democratic leadership is complicit.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 05:37 PM
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23. FACT: Rove leaked classified information that disclosed a covert CIA agent
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 05:47 PM
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24. Of course that's a fact...
...but what is being done about it?

We've seen this administration break one law after another with impunity for YEARS. It's as if there is no opposition party in America.

Where are the Democrats? Don't they (we) have a duty and responsibility to uphold the law?

I'm sick and tired of Democratic leaders saying they can't do anything because they're in the minority. That never stopped Republicans from demanding and getting hearings and investigations.

Democrats are witnesses to some of the worse crimes ever committed against this country and people. They need to honor their oaths of office and DO SOMETHING about it NOW. Their silence is quickly becoming a betrayal.
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sickem Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 06:22 PM
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25. This Rove issue is just more rope
with which Bush and his majority in Congress are going to hang themselves with in the election next year. Bush's backward agenda is stalled, his war support is in the tank, and military analysts and people like his own CIA chief are saying that his whole approach to the WOT is only serving to make the problem worse.

Wait until the GOPers try running for reelection next year by trying to affiliate themselves with the President who has supposedly made America "more secure." Their opponents will fire back that this President has been incapable of dealing with a security leak within his own administration. It's gonna get ugly!

Once they've lost the majority then we'll see justice done. I see impeachment and a war crimes trial in GW's future.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 06:25 PM
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26. Because he's no fucking hero... it's all a ruse to fool the idiots
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 06:38 PM by redqueen
who vote for NEO-CONS.

When will the "decent republicans" stand up and reclaim what's left of their party's integrity?
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:17 AM
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28. 'he thought he could get away with it.'
pretty much sums up the motivations of every member of this present criminal adminstration.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:30 AM
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29. This misery haberdasher, is diametricaly opposed to the truth, and..
thats why he's "Shrub the war hero"'s strongest pillar.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:34 AM
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30. How in the F#*! can anyone call that a$$ a hero?
So Treason is grounds for Hero status.
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