Gingrich smear on Joseph Wilson

[choie]

Why do I do this to myself? Once again, I happened to turn on nbc's Today show and who do I see, but the bastard himself, Newt Gingrich. He is in the midst of a tirade against Joe Wilson, stating that he lied about who sent him to Niger (wilson had first said it was Cheney), what information he received there and that he was part of John Kerry's team long before the leak every happened...

Okay, I understand that Wilson was a supporter of Kerry's during the elections, but, can someone explain to me the basis for any of the other accusations? Gingrich basically said that Wilson was a partisan liar and couldn't be trusted. Someone give me the details!!:wtf:

[wtmusic]

1. Attack, attack, attack

so predictable.

[ewagner]

2. How to shut the Repubs up

I wish just one anchor would reply to the RW spin by saying:

Well, if there wasn't a crime, then Fitzgerald wouldn't be investigating anymore would he?

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. It doesn't matter

Joe Wilson could be the biggest liar on the planet, but Joe Wilson is not the issue.

Blowing the cover of a CIA covert operative IS. Not to mention doing so as retribution for political gains.

[Vickers]

4. You mean the guy who was fined $300,000 by the House for

lying to the House ethics committee?

Yeah, his opinion means SHIT to me.

[sinkingfeeling]

5. And a big 'so what?'. What does Wilson being a 'liar' have to do

with Rove's treason?

[pgh_dem]

10. Please don't concede 'lying' on Wilson...

I realize that lying or not, the point is Rove blowing Plame's cover, but as far as I know, he never claimed that Cheney sent him. Rather, he claimed that the Office of the VP requested CIA to send someone, and CIA chose him, whether at Plame's suggestion, or on her commendation, it doesn't matter...

But to blithely accept RW talking point that he 'lied' seems unwise.

[choie]

12. no koolaid drinker, I

There's no way EVER I would believe ANYTHING ANY republican says about anything, much less Plamegate. I just wanted to know what the hell Gingrich was talking about.

[sinkingfeeling]

23. I don't think Wilson lied about anything...that's why 'liar' is in quotes.

[pgh_dem]

6. In Wilsons NYT article and his book, to my knowledge he ALWAYS

said that CIA sent him *at the request of the office of the VP*, which could be Libby or anyone else senior enough to request CIA input under authority of VP.

Which is clearly not the same thing as "Cheney sent him".

Even Bill "Lying-ass" O'Reilly was looking at Newt like he was full of shit when he did the dress rehearsal on GOP surrogate Fox News last night.

[Wetzelbill]

11. yeah, they are picking gnat shit out of a goldmine

and trying to spin everything so that the gnat shit looks like the issue.

I have no clue what I just meant. :)

[underpants]

17. I only saw a few minutes of it but I had the same impression

O'Reilly just sat there and let Newt spew. O'Reilly will do anything to get ANYONE to watch his show.

[peace frog]

7. Dear me, and Newtie is such a bastion of credibility

How can Joe Wilson ever defend himself against the GOP Gold Standard of veracity. :sarcasm:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. And that justifies outing a covert CIA agent HOW?

[Wetzelbill]

9. Newt is full of shit

Joe Wilson actually gave money to Bush's campaign in 2000, but decided to not give anymore after they smeared McCain in South Carolina. Bush Sr. commended Joe Wilson for his service as an Ambassador in Iraq before and during the first Gulf War. Wilson did a press conference with a noose around his neck and dared Saddam to come for him. He was one of the very last Americans out of Baghdad because he oversaw the evacuation of everyone else. Joe Wilson is a tough SOB, who is more than a little pissed about these guys endangering his wife, and frankly, I would be too. Wimps like Gingrich and his ilk would never stick their neck out for anybody, let alone their own family.

They take little things that Wilson has said over the past two years, take them out of context and spin, spin, spin. He's said a few things out of anger, like the "Frog March" thing about Rove and all, but basically everything he has said is true. They nit pick at stuff to make him look bad, but Wilson, outside of his temperment over this, is clean as a whistle.

[choie]

14. yup

Abosolutely. I think what is being done the repugs are following those talking points that came out yesterday, ie. that Rove made the call to Matt Cooper in order to dissuade him from writing about what Wilson was accusing the Bush administration of (lying about uranium). This is Rove's story, and I guess repugs are trying to make it seem plausible (which of course, it isn't).

[warrens]

13. Wilson never said Cheney sent him

He said he was sent by the CIA who had been asked by Cheney to look into the yellow cake sales.

[pgh_dem]

16. Right on, short n sweet. everyone should cut and paste Warrens' post

in response to RW spin on this.

[tmorelli415]

15. They're scared sh*tless and desperate

so they've resorted to pulling out all of their big guns in the media manipulation game - Newt is the original engineer of the New Speak game

Remember the Republican game plan with Clinton? They wanted to get him under oath - the reason had nothing to do with Monica, but they just wanted him under oath no matter why or how so that they could spring it on him and hope he'd slip up.

We've got an investigation underway and increasingly they're being called to testify under oath on a matter that allows questioning that goes way beyond the Plame leak itself: forged documents, manipulated intel, lying to Congress, etc.

Deniable culpability unravels as more are questioned - attorneys never ask questions they don't already know the answers to...

Just as in the Clinton case, a grand jury can open up investigations into criminal activity not known prior to the inquiry but revealed through questioning. It is not the Plame case they are most afraid of.

[Tamarin]

18. Wilson is going to be on the *Today* show tomorrow.

I can't wait to see that.

[Debi]

19. Well, NBC did put Hardcore reporter Katie Couric up to the task

of interviewing the scumbag.

What was he busy doing while he ranted and raved about Clinton's personal behavior in the White House? Hmmmmm...why did he leave Congress again? Hmmmm

If he's the most credible spinner the republican's got they're in deep doo doo!

[choie]

21. couric is a kiss-ass

She ended the interview by saying something like "it's always good to talk to you. Hopefully we'll speak with you about the Supreme Court when we have time". Makes me want to puke :puke:

[Debi]

22. Yup, that's her!

[Canuckistanian]

20. Irrelevant. Overruled! Sit down, Mr. Gingrich

What is he trying to say, that Joe Wilson is so bad, he deserves whatever he gets, even if it means breaking the law?