MSNBC poll shows Bush's honesty ratings the lowest yet!!!

[MinnesotaMike31]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8561443/

[MinnesotaMike31]

1. Ooops from MSNBC but is an NBC/WSJ poll. n/t.

[CTyankee]

2. People who are pro life BUT

don't want a justice who will get rid of Roe v. Wade? Did I read that right? Hello?

Well, well, well. Are we seeing the tip of the hypocrisy iceberg?

[Carla in Ca]

5. Read this article I posted last week

<http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-roe4jul04,1,1790511.story?coll=la-headlines-nation>

It explains the rift between the far right and the moderates.

[nickinSTL]

18. I don't think that's necessarily hypocritical

It's one thing to oppose abortion, it's another to want the government to tell people they can't have one.

I think it's perfectly possible to be anti-abortion AND still oppose making it illegal.

[CTyankee]

26. I was thinking of the old saying

atributed to Ellen Goodman, that most people are opposed to abortion except in the case of rape, incest or me. What gets me are the people who bloviate about how prolife they are but do not hesitate to exercise their right to an abortion when they get pregnant ("It's different in my case"). They disgust me.

[Anakin Skywalker]

32. I Agree. You Are Right On.

I think these people are personally pro-life, but do not want to force it down their neighbors' throats. And THAT is admirable.

[fberknm]

33. It is a matter of social norms

I am strongly opposed to abortion, I consider it the utmost of selfish actions, too often a choice made out of convenience, or to avoid embarrassment or humiliation. I would like to see a time when women were supported and rewarded, at least somewhat, for carrying an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy to term.

However, efforts to make it illegal are absolutely doomed to failure. Our society does not want to prohibit abortion. These wackos who want to legislate beliefs are completely out of touch. They would be better off supporting women who carry to term, facilitating adoption services. Instead they criticize, often humiliate and scare young women. They judge them, while at the same time alienating them. What type of response do they expect?

It is time to change the way we think about this issue. It is trite to claim that one cannot legislate morality. However, it is true, a law that does not have popular support is doomed to failure. Consider marijuana laws, etc. A prohibition of abortion would be another colossal failure.

FWH

[UCSBLiberalCat53]

28. That's not necessarily true

There are people who oppose abortion but don't want to see an underground network of back-alley abortions which can result in death.

[NMDemDist2]

3. but this is the page worth bookmarking and printing out!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8550312/

Some of the denials, other comments, at media briefings by White House spokesman Scott McClellan when asked by reporters whether President Bush�s top political adviser, Karl Rove, was involved in the leak of a CIA officer�s identity:

Sept. 29, 2003

Q: You said this morning, quote, �The president knows that Karl Rove wasn�t involved.� How does he know that?
A: Well, I�ve made it very clear that it was a ridiculous suggestion in the first place. ... I�ve said that it�s not true. ... And I have spoken with Karl Rove.
Q: It doesn�t take much for the president to ask a senior official working for him, to just lay the question out for a few people and end this controversy today.
A: Do you have specific information to bring to our attention? ... Are we supposed to chase down every anonymous report in the newspaper? We�d spend all our time doing that.�
Q: When you talked to Mr. Rove, did you discuss, �Did you ever have this information?�
A: I�ve made it very clear, he was not involved, that there�s no truth to the suggestion that he was.
Oct. 7, 2003
Q: You have said that you personally went to Scooter Libby (Vice President Dick Cheney�s chief of staff), Karl Rove and Elliott Abrams (National Security Council official) to ask them if they were the leakers. Is that what happened? Why did you do that? And can you describe the conversations you had with them? What was the question you asked?
A: Unfortunately, in Washington, D.C., at a time like this there are a lot of rumors and innuendo. There are unsubstantiated accusations that are made. And that�s exactly what happened in the case of these three individuals. They are good individuals. They are important members of our White House team. And that�s why I spoke with them, so that I could come back to you and say that they were not involved. I had no doubt with that in the beginning, but I like to check my information to make sure it�s accurate before I report back to you, and that�s exactly what I did.

Oct. 10, 2003

Q: Earlier this week you told us that neither Karl Rove, Elliot Abrams nor Lewis Libby disclosed any classified information with regard to the leak. I wondered if you could tell us more specifically whether any of them told any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA?
A: I spoke with those individuals, as I pointed out, and those individuals assured me they were not involved in this. And that�s where it stands.
Q: So none of them told any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA?
A: They assured me that they were not involved in this.
Q: They were not involved in what?
A: The leaking of classified information.
July 11, 2005
Q: Do you want to retract your statement that Rove, Karl Rove, was not involved in the Valerie Plame expose?
A: I appreciate the question. This is an ongoing investigation at this point. The president directed the White House to cooperate fully with the investigation, and as part of cooperating fully with the investigation, that means we�re not going to be commenting on it while it is ongoing.
Q: But Rove has apparently commented, through his lawyer, that he was definitely involved.
A: You�re asking me to comment on an ongoing investigation.
Q: I�m saying, why did you stand there and say he was not involved?
A: Again, while there is an ongoing investigation, I�m not going to be commenting on it nor is ... .
Q: Any remorse?
A: Nor is the White House, because the president wanted us to cooperate fully with the investigation, and that�s what we�re doing.

[Carla in Ca]

4. BINGO!

snip...


Furthermore, only 41 percent give Bush good marks for being “honest and straightforward” — his lowest ranking on this question since he became president. That’s a drop of nine percentage points since January, when a majority (50 percent to 36 percent) indicated that he was honest and straightforward.


A lot more people are 'getting it' about Iraq. The Rove story just magnifies all the lies. What goes around, comes around.

[ima_sinnic]

13. and the poll was conducted BEFORE Rove was shown to be

the leaker

This finding comes at a time when the Bush administration is battling the perception that its rhetoric doesn�t match the realities in Iraq, and also allegations that chief political adviser Karl Rove leaked sensitive information about a CIA agent to a reporter. (The survey, however, was taken just before these allegations about Rove exploded into the current controversy.)

Will be curious to see how far his *ahem* �honesty� rating will fall in the near future.

[ClintonTyree]

23. My thoughts exactly........

If his numbers are this bad now, what will they be like after our seemingly comatose countrymen latch onto THIS little nugget?
Even some of his base is deserting him now, and once the fundies realize they've been taken for a ride on the amazing, whirling, bush lie machine he'll drop into uncharted territory. He will be the most ineffective second term President, EVER! Hell, the most ineffective President, EVER! If it weren't for 9/11 happening on his watch this moron would have NOTHING! And how badly did he screw THAT up?
Every morning I awake, check my e-mail, then open up Yahoo News hoping THE Headline will be there. "BUSH RESIGNS". I think I'm getting closer to that magical day now.

[UrbScotty]

6. Bush not honest?

I thought he was a lot more honest than that idiot who lied about his marriage!

:sarcasm:

[centristo]

7. wasn't his campaign platform all about "honesty and straightforwardness"?

/snip

"After these events, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that Bush�s overall job rating has slipped and that his rating for being �honest and straightforward� has dropped to its lowest point."

[krkaufman]

8. "Honesty" rating is even worse...! (better)

Catch this qualifier from the poll article...

The survey, however, was taken just before these allegations about Rove exploded into the current controversy.

So *'s "honesty" rating is likely even LOWER than 41%, following last weekend's release of the Cooper email.

[sinkingfeeling]

9. I can't believe 41% of our fellow countrymen still think * is honest!

[Pacifist Patriot]

11. No kidding. I'm surprised he's able to be charted at all.

Idiots abound.

[savemefromdumbya]

14. 41% need a brain transplant

!!!!!!

[savemefromdumbya]

15. code red

I hope W doesn't get all huffy and launch a terror attack on us?

[ktowntennesseedem]

19. Make that an implant. Can't transplant something that's not there.

Welcome to DU!

[savemefromdumbya]

20. which is the case

that certainly applies to my sister in law who is a staunch W supporter!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

21. Won't dip below 30%

Let's face it, about a third of the American people drank the Kool-Aid (and went back for seconds in 2004), and they're not going to turn on Bush no matter what happens. He could announce that he's the anti-Christ and that he's establishing a communist dictatorship, and these fools would support him unquestioningly.

And let's just go with the assumption that roughly a third of us are Bush-haters from the word "go" and never trusted the POS in the first place. Which leaves about a third of the country as basically "persuadable."

What does it mean?

59% of the American people don't trust Bush. Of those 59 basis points, 0 are hard-core Republicans and 33 are hard-core Democrats. That leaves 26 basis points from the persuadable center -- meaning that about 75% of Independents no longer trust Bush.

Equally Important. Nearly twenty percent of the people who voted for Bush in 2004 no longer perceive him as trustworthy. That's a big deal, because I believe he had "character" and "honest" printed on his business cards in 2000.

[savemefromdumbya]

22. yes

ITA re: Nearly twenty percent of the people who voted for Bush in 2004 no longer perceive him as trustworthy. That's a big deal

[zanne]

10. Lowest approval rating since June 2004.

When it was just 45%. However, five months later, he was re-elected. Whenever I think about Diebold and vote verification, I think about this.

[struggle4progress]

31. Bingo! eom

[Catboater]

12. I just conducted my own poll

which concludes that 100% of me thinks Bush is a scrotum. Margin of error is 0%.

[pauldp]

16. LOL!

[UCSBLiberalCat53]

29. I did one a while back

100% of cats think that Bush lies and that a can of tuna would make a better president.

[tmooses]

17. Just think what these numbers would be if he was forced to answer

some "credibility" questions at his rare press conferences. Of course, that would take a real journalist.

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

24. Well I Guess He Is A Uniter, Not A Divider....

Only problem is...We are united in what a lying, dishonest piece of
%$#* he is.

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

25. and here is a Wilson/Rove poll to DU...

http://connected.msnbc.com

This morning, Joe Wilson urged President Bush to fire Karl Rove. Should he? * 663 responses


Yes
93%

No
7%

Democrats are calling for a formal investigation into the CIA leak-Karl Rove case. Do you agree? * 665 responses


Yes
95%

No
5%

[TheFarseer]

27. still at 46% approval

I realize about 20-30% on both sides will never change their mind and be partisan to the end, but who are these other 15-25%? WTF are they thinking? All I can figure is they are not paying attention.

[Turbineguy]

30. 41 percent

That's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of the people who actually voted for him.

That would mean that nobody has really changed their minds.

[NNadir]

34. It is a depressing comment on the US that Bush's credibility in not zero.

Let's face it; all the lies are pretty bald-faced.