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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:26 PM
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The Chattanoogan: "Karl Rove Will Survive," Frist "front runner" in 08
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_69430.asp

I am not sure what happened in the Karl Rove/Joseph Wilson/Valerie Plame Affair or subsequent events, but let's look into the hypothetical crystal ball. In the last six years that I have known Karl Rove, I have observed that he never gets caught with his pants down. I will say it again: Karl never gets caught with his pants down. Here is what has happened. The media has jumped all over Rove, he denies wrong doing and competing camps are becoming established---the resign or don't resign crowd start their vigorous campaigns. The camps are broken down neatly among political lines. There are those either for or against Karl--and unlike local politicians such as Ward Crutchfield or Chris Newton---Rove knows what to do, and when to do it and he will step down on his own accord. Unless there is a criminal indictment, Rove does not have to go anywhere. It makes it hard for people to call for the resignation of an un-indicted official when there are so many indicted officials and party leaders in Tennessee who have remained silent. It must be a hard time to really bite that tongue or there are a lot of hypocrites out there.

Make no mistake if Karl Rove leaked Plame's name and the US Attorney indicts him he should go, and the President needs to keep to his word and remove him. However, there has probably never before been a prosecution under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Questions of how Rove got the information initially probably do need to be asked. However, if or when it is proven that Rove really did not do anything wrong. People will scratch their heads and ask themselves why Ol' Joe Wilson went on a trip to Africa to investigate whether Iraq had tried to obtain enriched "yellowcake" uranium from Niger, probably with pre-determined outcomes in mind. The trip may even have been arranged by his wife a CIA weapons of mass destruction specialist or was she at least involved having knowledge in orchestrating it? Wilson and Plame may be true patriots for all we know or political opportunists waiting to cash in.

Dr. Frist, the noted heart surgeon, a man untouched by scandal, becomes the front runner in 2008 and Rove ends up more powerful than ever. Hillary Clinton can never win on health care issues, look at TennCare for example, which Tennessee Governor Bredesen has not fixed and clearly Frist owns the issue--he is even bucking the President on Stem Cell Research. Hillary is either loved or hated. She has to run against herself. The more Democrats or the media bash Karl Rove the better it is for the Republicans and it keeps the focus off of Iraq, social security, world-wide war on terror, and anything else people deem as important. The media seems overtly eager, perhaps politically motivated, to go after Rove on this issue, yet there is no evidence that he broke the law. This may spark discussion at the corner bar but it will not address real issues confronting our country.

In 2008, we are likely to see Rove versus James Carville. The Ragin' Cajun is exciting, nevertheless Rove wins every time. Carville, he will make you think he is winning. Rove does one thing extremely well and that is: he wins! Think about it, some of the crystal ball is certainly plausible. The old saying, what does not kill you makes you stronger certainly could ring true for Karl Rove. The Democrats would be better served finding a messenger and getting their message out. What ails Karl Rove will not kill him. In the end, it seems to me like a media generated uproar. The backlash could be felt in 2006 and 2008. Karl Rove should have perhaps exercised better discretion, but Democrats seemed poised to make the same mistake.

JC Bowman
flapolicy@hotmail.com
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:28 PM
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1. "noted heart surgeon" ?...
Noted Nut Case maybe
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:11 PM
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11. He's a Quack Dr....
He pretty much proved that when he "diagnosed" Terri Schiavo.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:16 PM
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13. Noted Video Medical Diagnostician.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:58 PM
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19. Hahahah
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 11:02 PM by FrenchieCat
The author forgot to use the :sarcasm: smilie when he wrote that...is my only guess. :rofl:

My other guess; this is the "Rove is superhuman" tact.

It's not working for me.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:30 PM
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2. Time for "Cat Lovers Against Frist" to unite!
I'd like to see him go down in flames.

I'd like to see Rove in prison.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:31 PM
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3. That's it - "noted cat killer"
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:01 PM
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14. I'm not even a cat lover and I'll join
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:31 PM
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4. Tsk, tsk
Rove never gets caught? When has he ever been investigated by a prosecutor like Patrick Fitzgerald? Rove is arrogant, and arrogant people eventually go too far, especially because they think they can get away with it.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:34 PM
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5. Rove has been "caught before; and Frist has been "touched" by scandal
Everyone knows (or should know), but it's too late to prove, that Rove planted the bug which compromised Hightower's election chances. And, IIRC, Frist has a little problem with campaign contributions that apparently weren't reported.

Nice sleazy trick to tell the people what Rove wants them to hear. Now, move along, you're impeding the flow of truth.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:35 PM
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6. These people should stick to choo-choos. n/t
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:56 PM
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7. chattanooga is pretty much a cesspool of stupidity to begin with.
very little of the rest of the state takes the city seriously.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:57 PM
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8. OMG I hope Frist is their candidate in 08'!
It would mean an assured win for us no doubt.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:02 PM
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10. Frist vs Clark
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 08:02 PM by DanCa
That would be so sweet.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:59 PM
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9. Tennessee. What else are they going to say about Frist?
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:12 PM
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12. The editorial would have more credibility
If the journalist. Didn't speak in sentence fragments.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:51 PM
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17. I agree.. the Rove crap was just an opinion written in by a loonie..
For all we know.. unless we read the entire paper.. someone else may have written in with an opposing opinion.

You're right Don! If it were the editorial page, we'd have to raise some eyebrows at the Chattanooga Choo Choo Choo..
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:22 PM
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15. Entirely shameful. They don't care whether they have a treasonous
scumbag their midst, because "He wins!" Think about that for a minute.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:45 PM
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16. Have you ever listened to Frist for more than 3 seconds?
OMG.. talk about dead BoOOooooOOOring!!!!

:boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:52 PM
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18. I was just in Nashville, Frist lives there and his family owns practically
everything there, but it was still a very blue city. They aren't that fond of their hometown cat killer from what I heard. Not sure about the rest of TN.
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:12 AM
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20. You're an idiot, Bowman
It has already been established that Rove revealed Valerie Wilson's identity.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:03 AM
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21. anyone who thinks...
... a cold fish moron like Frist is going anywhere has the political savvy of an imbecile.
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