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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:03 AM
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Karl Rove laughed at the reporters this morning
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 10:05 AM by Julius Civitatus
As reported by MSNBC:

"Staked out at his home earlier this morning, Karl Rove laughed when asked if he would quit his post at the White House."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3626796/


Could this mean the fix is in? Does he know that something's up... or is he trying to psych us into thinking his game is fixed? You never know exactly what cards this guy's holding.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:03 AM
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1. He's playing a game
thing is, this isn't a game. It's deadly serious.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:14 AM
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23. The rules of Karl Rove's game:
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 11:15 AM by The Backlash Cometh
(1) Never admit you're wrong.

(2) Never say you're sorry.

(3) Extra points if you successfully pin the blame on your opponent.

(4) Double Brownie points if you get to #3, BEFORE you get caught.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:47 PM
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30. #5
See to it that anyone who stands your way ends up the victim of an "unexpected suicide".
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:14 PM
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56. Who care's if he's fired. He'll still run everything from behind....
Like they do in Burma. That's why he laughed. Plus its absurd, he has no conscience and they don't care cause they have OVER 3 MORE YEARS! GOD HELP US!
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:05 AM
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2. Bush was smirking about the investigation yesterday.
It really has me worried.
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:15 AM
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13. Yes, agreed. Their body language is telling nt
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:54 PM
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47. Bush smirks about everything.
Why should this be different?
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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:06 AM
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3. Go ahead asshole, they're already pissed at being lied to.
Might as well antagonize them too!

And...

Woo Hoo! My 1000th post!

(I'm honored my 1000th is calling Rove an Asshole!)
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:30 PM
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37. Congrats on the 1000....could not have been more appropiate
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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:03 PM
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41. Thanks, I think milestones should be memorable!
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:06 AM
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4. think he loves the limelight n/t
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:58 PM
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48. Rove? Know your enemy.
Rove is shy and dislikes the limelight.

What he likes is Power.

That's all, just Power.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:06 AM
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5. It's his defense mechanism which he uses when he get's nervous.
lot's of people laugh when they are nervous.

the press needs to keep at him. soon, he laughing his way to jail.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:09 AM
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6. Just like Judith Miller last week
She was laughing all the way to her new jail cell. Ha-ha-ha. I wonder if she still thinks things are so funny now?
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:49 AM
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20. BINGO!
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:09 AM
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7. Smug, smarmy b****** n/t
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:10 AM
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8. Probably just nervous laughter - very nervous laughter!
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MajorFlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:16 AM
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14. Yup. Difficult to imagine that the Grand Jury investigation was
part of their plan. They will probably keep laughing, even when the indictments come down.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:10 AM
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9. What my granny used to call this kind of behavior...
....was "whistling past the graveyard." In other words, making very light of something you fear a ton.

I would opine that this is was Pig-Boy Rove was doing. His biggest fear is that the fix is NOT in and that he is going to take the fall for all of the Bush Admin for doing the dirty trick on Valerie Plame.

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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:10 AM
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10. I'd love to see a reporter ask him
if he finds it funny that the American people want him out. If he finds it funny that they don't believe him. If he finds it funny that his reputation stinks. If he finds it funny that he jeopardized the security of the United States.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:13 AM
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11. Think about it -- He's had 2 years to come up with an alibi - No
difficult task for a diabolical brainiac. He knows every single detail because he orchestrated the thing. He knows who said what to whom on every occasion. He will not go down. He will be smeared and implicated but he has lived through that before. They have someone among them (and probably already planned long ago) who will take the fall for this.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:15 AM
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12. Actually, you're wrong there
He has no clue what was said in the Grand Jury, nor does he know what physical evidence the Grand Jury has in its possession.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:19 PM
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53. You are totally and absolutely wrong.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:25 AM
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15. What, me worry?
Really, what does Rove have to be concerned about, he's covered no matter what happens. If convicted in the Plame case, after being pardoned by Junior he'll run WH and GOP operations from an undiscolosed location... for more money and literally no oversight, natch.
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Imagine My Surprise Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:01 AM
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22. This is what I said yesterday...I agree...
if he's really the "genius" of the party, he will work under the radar. Seems like a no-brainer, even though he won't have his luxurious trimmings.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:29 PM
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26. Yep
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 12:30 PM by peace frog
and as for the tide of public opinion turning against him... c'mon, does anyone really believe Rove gives a crap what we think of him?
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BlueStateBlue Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:31 PM
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60. One of the most important aspects of this
is the guilt by association that is being showered on *
As the American people get to know and distrust Rove, so they get to know * better and trust less, and less. Drip, drip, drip.
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:49 PM
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61. Trickle down theory at it's best! n/t
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:04 PM
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58. Bush will not pardon Rove before the 2008 election
If Rove is convicted of treason, or even of perjury and/or obstruction of justice, it would be political suicide for the GOP if Bush pardoned him. Any pardons will occur in the dead of night on Bush's last day of his presidency.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:25 AM
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16. He's trying to psych us out.
There is no reason anyone who is being investigated by a special prosecutor should laugh. That's serious stuff. Karl knows about people. He knows laughing is a way to denegrate a person or an idea. He's nervous, don't let him fool you.
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:24 PM
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36. He's in deeeeeep sh*t with this. Key point in the initial post?
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 01:26 PM by LowerManhattanite
Stop and think for a second. Do you think this fat f*ck ever figured he'd be walking out of his house (during a victorious Bush second term) into a phalanx of reporters asking if he'll resign?

Not reporters asking his opinion about some trifling pifle he's floated out there--a slew of shrub-crouched jackals waiting for his door to open so they can pounce with questions about his very survival.

Yeah, pig-boy laughed. Because to show any other emotion would indicate he's been wounded or shaken. Which he HAS been. How do we know? When the GOP has to wait for two days to come up with a talking point on someting of this magnitude, you KNOW he/they've taken a staggering right to the chin.

Remember, once reporters stake out yur house--there's blood in the water.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:25 AM
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17. "He/she who laughs last ..
Laughs best"!

I wonder if rove reads Sidney Blumenthal..I know I do..

<<snippet>>
"The sound and fury of Rove's defenders will soon subside. The last word, the only word that matters, will belong to the prosecutor. So far, he has said very, very little. Unlike the unprofessional, inexperienced and weak Ken Starr, he does not leak illegally to the press. But he has commented publicly on his understanding of the case. "This case," he said, "is not about a whistle-blower. It's about a potential retaliation against a whistle-blower."

Much more better blues for rove..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x139418
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ArmchairMeme Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:53 AM
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21. He laughs because we have been setup
The evidence may indeed prove him to be a criminal and a traitor to the USA but, this administration has been arranged from the very beginning to protect them from prosecution, the House and Senate are stacked in their favor. Now they will be able to install a replacement for Connors who will also be favorable to them. I think that Rove, like Bush, will fall upwards. It is dispicable way to serve the people of this country.

From a previous entry:

http://www.kanzeon.nl/doubt.html

....

(toward the end of the article)

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend-but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:34 PM
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27. We'll see won't
we?
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:48 PM
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38. Interesting...
A few years ago, I read something similar. It was an article in Time magazine about the early Bush administration. An aide or analyst was being interviewed. He said, "no matter what happens, we will always be 10 steps ahead of you".

NOW everything makes sense. Thanks for filling in the blanks for me, Arm.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:20 PM
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54. I guess we should just give up, huh?
:eyes:
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:31 AM
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18. They're pulling the Bush "Nope, No WMDs under here schtick."
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:31 AM
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19. Politics 101: When up to your ass in alligators...don't act like food.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:24 AM
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24. Maybe he
needs to be confronted by the families of those who were maimed and died in Iraq as a result of his sinister manipulations and lies that got this country into a disastrous war, and let's see him laugh in their faces.

I just saw John Fund (wasn't he arrested for assaulting either his girlfriend or his girlfriend's daughter, who he got pregnant, and then right-to-lifer that he is, talked her into getting an abortion, or I am hallucinating?) on the Ron Reagan Show, slamming Wilson, calling him a liar and bullying one of the guests by repeating 'Did Joe Wilson tell the truth, did Joe Wilson tell the truth'?

Why is this woman abuser on MSBC doing the WH's dirty work? Did they think we would forget his moralizing during the Clinton administration and then his own behavior later? He stayed out of sight for a while, and now they've sneaked back on the air and are presenting this a$%hole to us as an arbiter of morality and truth?

I had to turn it off ~ the media makes me sick and I hope they are flooded with emails telling them to get this man off the air and stop insulting the intelligence of the American people!! He is the bottom of the barrel as far as morality is concerned and I am now more convinced than ever the Joe Wilson told the truth. Wilson should sue this weasel for libel ~
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:43 AM
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25. The hair on the back of my neck just stood up
when I read that!

He's gonna walk. Bet on it... OR -- he'll get his wrist slapped, and he'll just have to advise Bush by phone.

Creeps like this don't laugh unless they are laughing at you. This is not a good sign.

TC
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:39 PM
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28. I have no doubt he's going to walk
the point is, will he be ruined and will bush and the crew be ruined. I mean, that's the point to me anyway.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:05 PM
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42. Nah...
he's not going anywhere, from the looks of it, and this'll just be a blip for him. By the time the Neo-Con slime are through, the Pope will have him on the fast track to sainthood.

TC
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:41 PM
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29. Bernie Ebbers laughed also.....now he'll do 25 years.....
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:02 PM
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31. this type of pathological narcissist
always laughs down the barrel of the gun. They believe they are invincible, untouchable, beyond prosecution. The worse things get for them the more they smile and laugh. It remains to be seen if Rove draws a get out of jail free card.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:15 PM
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34. exactly
they believe that as long as they keep talking, they'll find a way out of the hole. They often don't have a clear memory of which lie they told you yesterday. It can be fascinating to watch from a safe distance -- 4 or 5 astronomical units should do the trick.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:06 PM
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59. When the media was on their side
They didn't have to concern themselves with having a consistent story when the media was continually covering for them. That may no longer be the case.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:07 PM
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32. He laughed because it doesn't matter if he quits, resigns, or anything
He is distracting the left with this, and he is keeping pressure off of Bush.

But it doesn't matter what happens to Rove. Whether officially or unoficially, he will always be advising Bush and other GOP sleaze.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:08 PM
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51. No, he's not keeping pressure off of Bush.
When your press secretary is badgered by the White House Press Corps for three days in a row; when your wife is asked questions about Rove while visiting a head of state in Africa; and when you yourself have to answer questions about your top advisor at your only press oppurtunity of the day - - well somebody isn't keeping the pressure off you very well.
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:13 PM
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33. he laughed because he's a sociopath n/t
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:19 PM
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35. He Laughed At Dean's Candidacy, Too
I don't his public laughs stem from mirth.
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staticstopper Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:25 PM
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39. All I know is that the
conservative ppl in my area are acting really really grumpy.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:53 PM
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40. My repub brother raced past fox news channel when I was over
LOL... he just mumbled, "uh, I don't want to watch this crap anymore, it's all bullshit, all politicians are liars." hehe
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:03 PM
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50. I've often wondered if some who trust the Republicans can remain blind
forever.

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warbly Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:35 PM
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43. Karl laughing or not
has no bearing on anything. If the grand jury indicts him, he'll be gone. If not he stays. everything else is just a sideshow.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:53 PM
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46. well said warbly and Welcome Underground
:hi:
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:52 PM
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44. Get to know your enemy.
Karl Rove's M.O. is simply to lie, and when caught in a lie, lie some more.

The point of it is that if you lie big enough, the majority of people will say, "Nobody would lie about something that big."

The author, James Moore, who has known and studied Rove for decades, said on Morning Sedition the other day that you should never, ever believe anything Rove says or anything his spokesmen say.

He gave numerous examples, leading right up to and including the negotiations between Rove's and Matt Cooper's attorneys.

Really, assume anything Rove says or does is a lie.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:53 PM
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45. he is an arrogant bastard; he is bush's puppetmaster
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 04:53 PM by Skittles
of course he is laughing
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:00 PM
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49. Oops
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 05:02 PM by cat_girl25
wrong thread
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:15 PM
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52. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you...
and then you win!
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:21 PM
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55. Go ahead and laugh, Karl, it won't affect the pending indictment.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:25 PM
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57. I would assume they have a mole on Fitzgerald's staff
That would be one of Rove's top priorities, to see that he has inside information on the substance of deposition and Grand Jury testimony and the minutes of legal strategy meetings, as well as knowledge of the contents of files.

I hope his apparent joy is just more of the disciplined right wing front that they are putting up in their circling of the wagons. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Rove didn't have up-to-the-minute information on everything Fitzgerald is doing. It's how they operate.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:57 PM
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62. But he won't get the last laugh!
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