Limbaugh is destroying Wilson's credibility....

[kentuck]

Because it's not about Karl Rove, or Valerie Plame, or even the leak? It's about Joe Wilson. They can destroy Joe Wilson by calling him a liar and repeating it a thousand times today, tomorrow, and as long as needed to get it into the bloodstream of their VRWC. And by then, everyone will have forgotten what it was all about. What did Joe Wilson have to do with the "leak" that exposed his wife? Could someone explain that?

[Kazak]

1. With what credibility of his own?

:crazy:

[Totally Committed]

2. It's what they do...

it's their "modus operendi"... it's how they WIN.

If the Democrats would learn how to do this, and do it consistently, we might win back our country from these ratbastards.

TC

[AndyTiedye]

11. We Can't Do That. They Can Because They Own the Media!

[blm]

16. Exactly. Media's ramping up the Swiftvetting of Wilson and the truth

will only allowed to be heard intermittenly.

[meegbear]

3. From World O' Crap

Our next competitor is Rush Limbaugh. Rush, can YOU say something stupider than Ann (Coulter) did about RoveGate? Maybe you could start by explaining how, if, as Ann claimed, the claim in the State of the Union Address about Saddam seeking to buy large quanities of uranium was true, Bush later retracted it.

The administration panicked in the face of outright left-wing criticism and apologized for it. I guess it was still part of the new tone back then. I do not understand it. <...> I mean, the simple fact of the matter is that it was true, and yet the administration apologized for it, and that gave every enemy of the administration free rein to go out and say that the administration was wrong about it, and they lied about it, when in fact to this day it remains true. And this was back in the days when the administration was not fighting back on this kind of thing, they just said, "Okay, okay, okay, if you don't like that we'll take it out."

So, the Administration was just too nice, and that's why they retracted that claim, Hey, that's really, really stupid, Rush -- good work!

Now, do you want to say something about how Plame sent her husband to Africa because she wanted him out of the house?

As we told you yesterday, Joe Wilson got this gig via his wife.

Um, Rush, I think the Talking point is that Plame sent her husband. Are you sure you want to claim that she just HELPED get him the gig, which would mean that Wilson was actually in sent there by the CIA, like he claimed?

You have a rogue CIA here, and make no mistake about this, during this period of time, the CIA is out to get Bush ... and one of the reasons they were out to get Bush is there was a bunch of libs in there. ... With his wife's recommendation, Wilson gets sent over to Niger to come back and write a false description of what he learned and then continue to lie about it and become a hero of the American left. The CIA is summarily embarrassed because -- and they don't want there to be any connection between Al-Qaeda and Iraq, because they missed it. They don't want to look bad. So you've got a rogue CIA who is out to screw the sitting president -- I'm not saying the whole organization. You've got members in it and Wilson and his wife are part of this cabal, and the administration doesn't fight back against any of this ... the administration sat back and didn't fight back because Bush is loyal to the government.

Wow! You are the master, Rush. So, you're saying that it was the cabal of rougue liberals in the CIA who sent Wilson to Niger, and that Wilson's mission was to write a false report about how Saddam really didn't try to buy all that uranium. (Undoubtedly, the cabal also wrote the false reports that said that Saddam had no facility that could make use of the uranium.) The cabal did all this in order to make it look like there was no connection between Saddam and al Qaeda, so that it would look like Bush was wrong about stuff. Yes, they do everything they can to screw Bush, but he won't call them on it, or fire them or anything, because, once again, he's just too darned nice for his own good. Plus, he's "loyal to the government."

I think this is about as stupid a claim as I've heard this year. I think we may have a winner.

http://blogs.salon.com/0002874/2005/07/14.html#a1812

[Clark2008]

6. Why would an organization so entrenched with Bushes try

to "get" the prodigal son?

That makes no sense.

I'm sure some CIA employees hate the family, but, by and large, the organization is what it is because of the 40+ years George H.W. Bush has either secretly worked for it or openly headed it.

[Cocoa]

4. Wilson was asking for it

he was dressing too sexy.

[Totally Committed]

5. OMG....

:rofl:

TC

[meegbear]

8. D'oht!!

:spank:

[dbonds]

7. There is very little they can get even CLAIM Wilson for lieing about.

His report was proven accurate. His wife was exposed by a WH smear campain. Only subject left for conjecture is who sent him to Niger to do the investigation. And what does that really matter, results are the same. Although I do believe his wife had nothing to do with sending him.

[ucmike]

9. he's preaching to the choir, i think

the only people i ever hear quoting rush are rw'ers anyway. i don't think he's convincing anyone who isn't already sipping kool-aid.

[dajoki]

23. agree but,

some nut that hears it from limpballs tells a co-worker(who is not up to speed on politics), who tells their spouse, who tells their co-worker, and so on and so on and so on. till wilson looks like the criminal and rove comes out smelling like a rose instead of the lump of shit he is.:shrug:

[kenny blankenship]

10. Negative equivalences, Kentuck

if you're a republican and I make a public accusation against you that results in a criminal investigation, or if I'm a prosecutor leading a criminal probe against you, and you or your surrogates can come up with some minor infraction from my past, or even raise a false suggestion that I once did something wrong, then in the media mangled consciousness of America, the two wrongs are equivalent and negate each other.

If all the corporate operated "Cooperative Media Personalities" act like they assume that this is the way the world works and continually whine about Joe Wilson being a liar, or crazy or a crazy liar who has had "a lot of questions raised about his past" then over time it begins to have an impact on public opinion, and it becomes the way the world works. Once you're well into a fascist takeover, Mother Teresa herself couldn't make a public accusation against a member of the Inner Party, because somewhere sometime she did something less than perfect, which will be dredged up used to trash her credibility and motivations and to negate th charge against the protected party member. That's even if the charge against the Inner Party member is treason or murder and Mother Teresa's "crime" was overdue library books. And even if they can't find that less than perfect action on her part, they can just make it up and repeat it from one network to the next giving people little choice but to believe, no matter how flimsy the evidence for what they claim is, that there must be something to it.

[Serial Mom]

12. Didn't you hear ... they all got their "talking points" from the RNC

yesterday.

Joe Wilson is a liar
Joe Wilson was disloyal
Joe Wilson outed his own wife
Joe Wilson was wrong in his NYT article

Joe this,
Joe that

Well I say, JOE WILSON IS A MAN OF INTEGRITY AND CLASS - which is a hell of a lot more than I can say of any of the talking heads!

[mandomom]

13. NOTHING.

The CIA superior officer in Plame's directorate asked her to ask Wilson to consider the trip to Niger. It is the CIA who sent the complaint to DOJ that led to the current investigation. Wonder if Tenent is enjoying the blowback. I suspect he authorized the CIA referral to DOJ through back channels, AFTER his Medal of Freedom was secured to his chest. Wonder if the MOFreedom was a bribe/payoff for not going public about the whole uranium/wmd business. Stranger things have happened with Rove operating behind the scenes.

We need all reporters who have ever been used/abused by Rove to put out false stories to discredit WH "enemies". Watergate enemies got a third rate burglary. Iraqgate got worse.

[zulchzulu]

14. Limp Pole has utterly NO CRED at all

Yeah, he's being the loyal soldier for the Rethugs...nothing unusual here...but hey, if he's for trumping up a war based on false intelligence AND outing a CIA agent that harms our country's national security...well...OK!

We know that Limp Pole would rather be a Rethuglican than an American.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

15. Sad thing is people believe without question

Like some of the guys in the Rib place on Franken's show yesterday.

They spout the lines of Rush or RNC talking points, but immediately when questioned by Al on the facts, they have none.

(ie the guy saying Rove was correct about liberals wanting to understand terrorists as the reaction to Sept 11)

Al asked the guy does he know how many Democrats voted to go after Taliban and Al Queda. The guy didn't know that all Dems voted in favor of going.

And for a moment that guy had to know that Rove et al were full of it, but what then? Probably doesn't retain it, goes back to listen to what is more comfortable for him and swallowing Rush's ravings hook, line, and sinker.

:hide:

[opihimoimoi]

18. I thought Rash was supposed to be in JAIL???

How is it he is still out there spouting shit....?

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

19. Rush has kindly accepted the aid of ACLU

re his medical records.

Now what did HE say about all people abuse drugs, whether street drugs or prescription drugs...?

Let me see...they should all go to jail or something like that?

Is it still in the courts or pretrial perhaps?

[opihimoimoi]

34. By the Way....please post some examples of humor in Cuniform

I would be interesting to see....

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

39. Okay, will work on it...

:rofl: :rofl:
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[spanone]

17. It don't matter.....The prosecutors don't care about Wilson.

They want KKKarl.

[thinkingwoman]

20. people who listen to Rush

have already made up their minds.

Rush no longer affects anything. The most he can do is shore up the extremist base. That's it.

Ignore him.

[rasputin1952]

21. This was to be expected. Since they can't answer the original charges

w/o implicating themselves, they attack the messenger.

Fact of the matter is, Wilson came back and said there was no evidence of Saddam purchasing 'yellowcake', this proved true...:wtf: is he talking about?

[Walt Starr]

22. Limbaugh only preaches to the choir

They are definitely attemptiong to keep their loyal base from jumping ship on this one.

[bloom]

24. Some choir members have shown up here, then... eom

[Zen Democrat]

25. Rush Limbaugh is preaching to cretins. Fahgiddaboudit

[Greybnk48]

26. Limpo's heyday has passed

In the early 90's I knew a lot of people (sadly) who listened to this bag of shit. Not right winger's either. Today I don't know anyone who tunes in. He's very quickly becoming irrelevant, if he hasn't already. BTW, when is he going to prison??

[Canuckistanian]

27. Limbaugh's not doing any damage except to himself

Wilson' a grown-up, he expects to be smeared by these idiots. But he has already defended himself and stood by his convictions. Remember, he was the first to suspect Rove and call for his 'frog-marching'.

If the right has some facts which totally discredit Wilson, let them bring it forward.

Right now all they're doing is calling him a liar with no justification whatsoever.

[underpants]

28. kentuck-Wilson exposed her on his online bio

I think that is how they so carefully put it

http://www.cpsag.com/our_team/wilson.html

He is married to the former Valerie Plame and has two sons and two daughters.

[kentuck]

29. Did he also point out that she works for the agency?

Otherwise, I don't see how that would threaten anyone in the same way?

[underpants]

30. Don't give me that

It clearly has her name right there on that link. Got it?

:eyes:

Seriously that is the talking point and the what they used to create the talking point-Wilson mentioned her name on his bio.

As Tom Tomorrow wrote
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/tom-tomorrow/fox-news-watch_4089.html

(Incidentally, here's the entirety of what Wilson's bio, at the URL provided by Podheretz, says about his wife: "He is married to the former Valerie Plame and has two sons and two daughters." Admittedly, it could have been edited--maybe in an earlier version it said, "He is married to a Super Duper Secret Agent named Valerie Plame who works on very important Top Secret Stuff, so don't tell anyone!" But somehow I doubt it.)

[kentuck]

33. I think it is the fact that she worked with the CIA was the illegality...

Certainly many people may have known her name, including her neighbors. It is not exposing her name specifically that was the infraction, but that she was an agent for the CIA....

[Nederland]

31. Exactly my point in the other thread

If Democrats make this about Joe Wilson, they lose. If Democrats make it about Karl Rove, they win. Limbaugh can go on all day about how Wilson is a liar because at this point there actually is a fair number of examples to make the case. However, this isn't about Wilson, its about Karl Rove and how he exposed a CIA agent.

Sadly too many people here at DU are falling straight into Limbaugh's trap and shifting the conversation to Wilson.

[jmcon007]

32. "Limbaugh is destroying (liberal name here) credibility...."

Who listens to Limpballs anymore? He has no credibility.

[Iris]

35. Only for his minions, who would think Wilson has no credibility anyway.

[bigwillq]

36. The WH is so in the wrong

that the right can only attack Wilson, that's all they have left now.

[ClassWarrior]

37. Blame the victim. These people are virtual rapists.

NGU.

[Name removed]

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[HootieMcBoob]

40. Patrick Fitzgerald doesn't care what Rush Limbaugh has to say

Or for that matter what any of the GOP whores has to say.

I truly believe they are digging their own graves.

There is a big difference here between their lies during an election and their lies in this case.

This is a criminal investigation.

They are so used to lying and trying to confuse the issues that they don't know how to stop themselves.

But you know what?

They aren't going to be able to lie their way out of this.

It's not going to go away when the media gets distracted by the next missing girl or shark attack or hurricane.

The Grand Jury investigation will continue and it looks a lot like there are going to be indictments some where down the line.

I can't wait to see them try to lie their way out of this.

This could very well be the end for the modern conservative movement along with the complex and overwhelmingly large infrastructure they've built over the last thirty years.

This could be the end of the Republican Party as we know it.

I love watching them lie their asses off and make ever more bizarre excuses.

I love watching them dig their own graves.

[liberaliraqvet26]

41. I dont know how any of you can do it...

I want to punch walls when i hear that fat druggie bastard