OMG...are you watching Senate Amendment Hearings? Frist vs. Reid!

[KoKo]

The final vote is NOW on C-Span 2.

Boxer and Dodd are great...and others were very good, too.

[napi21]

1. What does their amendment say? n/t

[hippiechick]

2. Don't you have your secret decoder ring handy ?

We're all supposed to be able to intuit what these glyph-like posts are about ...

:eyes:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. ROFL..I believe this is the hearing on the amendment to revoke KKKarl's

security clearance...or to call for the revocation of Karl's security clearance

[AUYellowDog]

6. It says

if a senator makes reference to an FBI report on the senate floor, they lose access to those reports.

Brandon

[meppie-meppie not]

8. so what does that have to do with Rove? his comments were not

on the senate floor they were on the ring up or via email to reporters.

[AUYellowDog]

10. That's on the Reid Amendment, coming up next

Nos have it 23-20 right now.

Brandon

[meppie-meppie not]

16. that's on CSPAN-2? I'm confused about this voting on 2 different things..

can you explain what's going on so I can follow it? thanks :-)

[Canuckistanian]

25. Their amendment wants to revoke security privileges...

.. if any statements made "are used by the enemy as propaganda".
This is an amendment aimed squarely at Dick Durbin.

[liberaliraqvet26]

3. what is this all about?

[liberaliraqvet26]

9. lugar voted no

[AUYellowDog]

11. Nos currently have it 28-23

This is gonna be a close one.

Brandon

[liberaliraqvet26]

14. the dems are united even Nelson & Liandreu

Snowe, McCain, Lugar, Hagel all nos!!!!!

[Reciprocity]

26. I think...

Snowe also crossed over and Lincoln and Brownback?

[liberaliraqvet26]

28. LINCOLN IS A DEM FROM ARKANSAS

[Reciprocity]

30. Thanks

I am listening to it and could not remember what party she was.

[AUYellowDog]

4. 11-7 no on Frist amendment

[AUYellowDog]

7. 18-15 Nos winning n/t

[AUYellowDog]

12. tied at 28 n/t

[KoKo]

13. I believe Frist's Amendment says: Denies Access to Senators of FBI

Agent Reports (Barbara Boxer was totally against this because she woul lose her ability to read Classified Info..So the Repug's Amendment focuses on Senators to cover the fact that Dems pushed the Amendment against Rove..as Blow Back to obscure or obliterate the Dem Proposal which would have applied to Rove.


The "Dem/Reid Amendment"
strips "Security Clearance from ANY FEDERAL EMPLOYEE who reveals Classified Information...which would include Karl Rove. Now the Dem/Reid Amendment would NOT (to my understanding) apply to Senators or House Members who serve on Foreign Intelligence Committees.

That's the best I can do for you...on this. But our DEM's DID US PROUD on this DEBATE...and that the Repugs "hustled" to get a COUNTER AMENDMENT speaks to the fact that our DEMS action struck a "nerve" in the Repug Juggernaut. :shrug:

[gratuitous]

15. My understanding re the Republican counter amendment

Is that it's to be used against anyone like Dick Durbin getting any bright ideas about quoting from FBI reports on military torture tactics. Standard repressive GOP stuff, really.

[meppie-meppie not]

21. ok Thanks! now I'm beginning to understand ...is the Rove thing coming

up on CSPAN-2 right after...the vote to revoke his clearance?

[liberaliraqvet26]

17. This one is dead!!!!!!!!

[Mass]

18. Yes, with Hagel and Warner voting NO, it definitively kills it.

But the other one will not pass either.

[AUYellowDog]

19. We need 3 more to kill it

[AUYellowDog]

20. make that one more

it's 49-36 right now.

Brandon

[AUYellowDog]

22. Biden sealed it (unless Cheney comes in to vote)

currently 50-36

[Reciprocity]

23. YES

I just love realty TV.

[liberaliraqvet26]

24. The "MODS" are starting to break with the party...

FRIST IS LOSING CONTROL!!!!

[liberaliraqvet26]

27. THEY SEE IT'S NOT PASSING AND ARE CHANGING

their votes

Thune & Brownback just did it

Thats how shitty this bill is, they dont wanna be on the record voting yes.

[AUYellowDog]

29. Here comes the Reid Amendment.

n/t

[liberaliraqvet26]

31. this is gonna be interesting...

expect the worst...hope for the best

[liberaliraqvet26]

33. NO GO..

party line vote

[liberaliraqvet26]

34. ITS NOT GONNA PASS

STRICT PARTY LINE VOTE

[AUYellowDog]

32. anyone have a count?

[flpoljunkie]

38. All Rethugs hae voted NO. Not a one has broken ranks.

The Dems need to use this vote against them in 2006.

[Reciprocity]

35. Snowe voted yes to both?

[liberaliraqvet26]

37. no to both

[Reciprocity]

39. Thanks; that makes better sense.

[quaoar]

36. Here is the text of the amendment

Found it at Talkingpointsmemo.com

"Any federal officeholder who makes reference to a classified Federal Bureau of Investigation report on the floor of the United States Senate, or any federal officeholder that makes a statement based on a FBI agent's comments which is used as propaganda by terrorist organizations thereby putting our servicemen and women at risk, shall not be permitted access to such information or to hold a security clearance for access to such information."

[flpoljunkie]

40. LMAO! "Frist's law" would make terrorists arbiters of whether law broken!

Only in Amurika! Our Republican Senate at work--truly sophomoric!

[KoKo]

41. It seems to have been a "Wash." Both got defeated...but at leas Dems

did try to make a stand about Rove...

:toast: to Dems.

[KoKo]

42. Josh Marshall's "TPM, website has this up explaining the difference in the

two Amendments: Frist vs. Reid. I don't know that this explanation makes it clearer but here it is:

--------------

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

Late Update: Here is the text of the so-called 'Frist Amendment': "Any federal officeholder who makes reference to a classified Federal Bureau of Investigation report on the floor of the United States Senate, or any federal officeholder that makes a statement based on a FBI agent's comments which is used as propaganda by terrorist organizations thereby putting our servicemen and women at risk, shall not be permitted access to such information or to hold a security clearance for access to such information."

---------------------------

From another TPM Reader ...

Harry Reid just introduced an amendment to the homeland security appropriations that would prevent anyone who discloses the identity of a covert CIA operative from having a security clearance. There will be 90 minutes of debate, and then a vote.

It's on C-SPAN2.

Late Update: You've got to watch this. They've got Sen. Coleman (R-WH) as Rove's designate water-carrier ... Now other Republican senators are standing up with cries of fealty. Duce! Duce! Think of Sen. Geary's impromptu speech at Michael's hearing in Godfather II.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/