Rove Didn't Know Plame But Went To Same Church?

[DrFunkenstein]

WASHINGTON - Chief presidential adviser Karl Rove testified to a grand jury that he talked with two journalists before they divulged the identity of an undercover CIA officer but that he originally learned about the operative from the news media and not government sources, according to a person briefed on the testimony.

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Rove testified that Novak told him he planned to report in a weekend column that Plame had worked for the CIA, and the circumstances on how her husband traveled to Africa to check bogus claims that Iraq was trying to buy nuclear materials in Niger, according to the source.

Novak's column, citing two Bush administration officials, appeared six days later, touching off a political firestorm and leading to a federal criminal investigation into who leaked Plame's undercover identity.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cia_leak_rove;_ylt=AtK6a.yYJE5vznWAM.INhyFeW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

As the world now knows, Wilson is married to Valerie Wilson, nee Plame. She is his third wife. She is 40, slim, blonde and the mother of their 3-year-old twins. In the photos in his office, she has the looks of a film star.

"She is really quite amazing," Wilson said. "We were just discussing today who would play her in the movie," he cracked.

Even though the White House has said Rove wasn't involved, Wilson made clear yesterday that he has no intention of backing off from his assertion that Rove at least condoned someone's making telephone calls to reporters about his wife. He said he took a call from a reporter who quoted Rove as saying: "Joe Wilson's wife is fair game."

Wilson said he and his wife have attended the same Episcopal church as Rove. Wilson quoted Valerie as saying, "Perhaps the next time we are taking communion I should introduce myself so he can see that I have a face and a name other than 'fair game.'"

http://www.brothersjudd.com/blog/archives/008229.html

Am I being overly generous by thinking that Rove may have known Mr. & Mrs. Wilson, but was unaware of her CIA identity until Novak suggested it? Novak heard it from the "other" source then told Rove. Rove then did some informal homework on her and confirmed it with Novak (and Cooper and Miller) later.

I'm hardly trying to exonerate Rove. But I am trying to put together the pieces properly, not necessarily in the most damaging scenarios. I don't have the same time I used to for research, so any help would be lovely.

[AtLiberty]

1. How big is the congregation?

And, does it have multiple services?

[DrFunkenstein]

5. This Was My Question - Anyone Know The Church?

I imagine it is a prominent Episcopal church inside the beltway, perhaps in Georgetown (or wherever spy families live).

[emulatorloo]

2. "didn't know her" was last week's lie - now it is "Novak Told Me!"

and of course there will be another one next week.

[Mist]

9. I thought the point wasn't from whom he heard about Plame, but

the fact that he told others.

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. Rove testified...

THREE TIMES!!!

Anyway, he supposedly "testified" his contact with Novak was before the piece ran. Hmmm, I could've have sworn the original story TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE was that he didn't talk with Novak until AFTER the piece ran.

Did Karl Rove lie to the American people?

[Ganja Ninja]

4. In defense of Karl ...

he was too busy wiping the sweat away to notice her.

[Totally Committed]

6. Even stranger... Rove GOES to Church?

Man, think about it... that does not compute!

TC

[PurityOfEssence]

15. computes just fine for me...

The assumption that "churchgoers are inherently decent" is not one I subscribe to. Many are, but many are just mouthing it and going along with the gag. Many truly do believe but are scathingly ugly dicks who use the supernatural forgiveness as a blank check to fuck over everybody they have a fancy to.

In this ur-theocracy we have going, I'd be surprised if any prominent figures in the administration DON'T regularly go to church.

If you think this is harsh, back up a bit and read your post dispassionately; it sounds like you're saying that a person as bad as him couldn't possibly be a Christian. Or, to put it another way, a shit head of this caliber could only be one of those odious non-believers.

In all fairness, I'll bet this is opening your eyes a tad and you realize a bit of the misstep; those who believe OFTEN miss how insulting and intrusive their actions are. It's like my sister sending children's books with Christian elements in them for my young kids, even though we have a strict agreement to keep religion away from each others' family: it's unintentional; it's such a huge part of her life that she doesn't notice lots of the ambient belief stuff.

You don't believe that believers are morally and ethically superior to non-believers, do you? That's how it reads.

Or are you just surprised that he doesn't burst into flames when approaching the altar?

[noonwitch]

16. Matthew 24:15-21

When ye therefore shall see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
let him who is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
and woe to themthat are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The beast in the holy place! Run for the hills!

[Oreo]

7. Wilson said he didn't know Rove

I thought the same thing about the church thing until I heard Wilson tell Ed Schultz yesterday that he didn't know Rove.

[Wickerman]

8. This article may be proof God does not exist

Surely, if she did, the church would have been smote by a lightening strike should Rove have actually entered.

:sarcasm:

[Jacobin]

10. Rove is Espiscopalian?

Would have taken him to be a southern baptist.

[Igel]

11. And the other questions are, how long ago, did they

both attend at the time time, and for how long?

I can say I've attended this one church in LA, but I only went once, and only talked to the people that browbeat me into attending.

[Eloriel]

12. Here's another clue (no links)

At the time of the leak, some of the press coverage made it clear that the Wilsons socialized quite a bit, had a nice circle of friends, etc., and was generally well known in Washington. This also means that it wasn't necessary to identify her by name beyond "Joe Wilson's wife."

[DanCa]

13. Well

No one shook the President's hand during the peace sign at the pope's funeral, may he rest in peace. I guess Rove figured that love thy neighbor didn't apply to Joe Wilson or Valerie Plame.

[Norquist Nemesis]

14. The Wilson's attended the Democrat Services

I can hear it now. :puke:

[momisold]

17. I go to a chruch

with 3 services and 1500 people. I was a charter member, one of 70 people who attended the first service 20 years ago. For years I knew everyone, but don't anymore. I go and see my circle of friends, but there are more people I don't know than I do know.

So it is possible they could go to the same congregation and not know each other.

JIMHO.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

18. I also attend a church with 3 services and 1500 members, but

it's a lot older than 20 years old (more like 120).

I've been there nearly every Sunday for two years, and I'm not even close to knowing everyone, although I recognize most of the "regulars" at the service I usually attend and the people who take part in the same charitable activities that I do.

[NVMojo]

19. stabbed in the proverbial back by a fellow Christian?

One more reason to not go to church ...