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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:12 PM
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Biden starts yet another Dem group effort -& his "I'm a moderate" campaign
Just what we need. Someone breaking off yet another piece of the Dems into a separate group. Feels like a slap back at Progressive Dems of America Group, originally featuring Dean, donit? Pardon my pessimism folks but I fear the Dems are going to lose it all by themselves this next time.

Warning: Not only photos but a sound clip is on the home page
http://uniteourstates.com/

Here's the
Mission Statement (oh dear, he uses 9/11...)

Unite Our States is born out of Senator Joe Biden's conviction that to make the 21st century an American century we must overcome the politics of division that have burdened our country in recent years.

Unite Our States helps elect candidates committed to addressing the real challenges facing our country at home and abroad by beginning to unite "red" and "blue" states, big cities and small towns, churchgoer and non-churchgoer, and Americans of all walks of life.

(snip)
With your support, Unite Our States works to diminish the partisan and divisive dialogue dominating American politics. Senator Biden and the candidates he supports are committed to building on the sense of unity and national purpose which all Americans demonstrated in the weeks and months following the attacks of September 11, 2001.


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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:13 PM
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1. Biden would be another Clinton
except without Bill's charisma--or hair.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:16 PM
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2. I can take it in Clinton
Because at least he wins.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:33 PM
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10. What does that leave?
Lust?;-)
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:16 PM
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3. Jeezuss Cripes! ...
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 12:18 PM by Totally Committed
this man needs an intervention! Will someone sit him down, and tell him a Senator from a state with 3 electoral votes will never be nominated for President? Please. I'm begging you... this man needs to be stopped.

TC
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:39 PM
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12. Delaware. Only 2 senators but both are making moves - check this out:
Sen. Carper to be named vice chairman of Democratic group

By JENNIFER BROOKS / News Journal Washington Bureau
07/15/2005

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Tom Carper has been tapped for a top post in the centrist Democratic Leadership Council.

He will be named vice chairman at the DLC's annual conference in Columbus, Ohio, later this month. The post could boost the national profile of Delaware's junior senator and give him a seat at the table as Democratic leaders work to draft a national strategy and message for the 2006 and 2008 elections.

"Democrats need to define ourselves by what we're for, not what we're against," Carper said Thursday. "We need to focus on what works to make us more secure as a nation, what works for job creation, what works to preserve and protect our environment."

Carper will introduce a few of his own ideas for the party when he addresses the DLC National Conversation on July 25.

(cont'd...)
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050715/NEWS01/507150331/1006/NEWS
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:37 PM
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18. This is why it is dangerous to surround yourself with yes-sayers --
You start to believe you are what you never were and never could be.

I don't know which of them is worse... well, maybe I do -- at least Carper isn't out there preening for the cameras, and talking into any microphone he can find. Biden is just insufferable. He is mesmerized by the sound of his own voice, and worse, doesn't seem to realize that the rest of us aren't.

TC
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:17 PM
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4. Divide and conquer gop tactics
The sad part is I used to like Biden before he got so wishy washy.
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mojavekid Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:24 PM
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9. Joe's just acting "Electable",
I guess this kind of crap comes from his handlers. Makes me crazy, but what do I know, I am just a "Liberal"
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:38 PM
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11. Me Too! A Lot!
Now, since he's going for the big one, he's gotten MUSHY!

I don't WANT Mushy, I want BACKBONE!! Anyone seen much of it lately???

Yeah, Dean, Conyers, Boxer and a handful of others. I say not NEARLY enough!
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:20 PM
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5. I'm all for that except . . . . .
What are we going to unite to do? If we are going to unite to boost credit card company profits, you can count me out. If we are going to unite to invade Mid-Eastern countries and lie about why we are doing it, count me out. Come on, Joe, you can do much better than this.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:21 PM
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7.  I agree with you
Thia doesnt make sense.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:21 PM
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6. Oh, yeah. And we should all sit around the campfire with republicans...
... singing "kumbaya."

A real sharp-eyed strategist, that Biden guy.

That mission statement is one of the most nauseating things I've read in a long time. "We should all just get along." Well, yeah, sure. But making simpering noises doesn't seem to be doing the trick. And for some of our opponents, the only defeinition they have of "getting along" translates as us giving in.

You can't just "get along" with someone who takes real pleasure in beating your brains in, Joe. :crazy:
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:24 PM
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8. I have only one word to say about this!
MBNA
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:10 PM
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13. I'll pass on him, thanks
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:20 PM
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14. What a moron Biden is...
... Dear Mr. Biden, here's a clue for the clueless (that would be you).

It takes two to tango. Democrats have tried the bi-partisan reaching out bit for 5 years. Look at what it has gotten us.

Really, I know you want to be president, but pollyannas never win in today's America, and your efforts simply undermine Democrats.

Republicans are not interested in bi-partisanship. And only delusional Democrats retain their interest in it.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:15 PM
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15. Don't tell us, tell him.......
senator@biden.senate.gov


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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:21 PM
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17. I'm not..
... a resident of Delaware.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:41 PM
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19. If you think he hasn't already heard from me over the years...
(at least a couple of times...), you are mistaken. He obviously doesn't read his mail. Or he doesn't care. Or he's deluded into thinking we're wrong about him. Obviously, he is operating on the assumption that the more we see and hear from him, the better we'll like him. Boy, is he wrong.

TC
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:00 PM
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20. What, a "Friends of PNAC" group?
Fuck that neoliberal fool.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:04 PM
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21. So, what you're saying is..
... "Progressive Dems of America" filled the final space? After them, all the room for Democratic "separate groups" was gone?

Just asking!

Biden's cause is noble. It will be in vain, of course. But noble.

I also have no problem with Democrats invoking 9/11.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:38 PM
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22. Not really.
I was thinking that PDA was the group that was headed in the correct direction - progressive. I admit to believing that was needed to correct the wild overswing to Evangelical neocon Republicans.

Lately I've become slightly more willing to concede that Dems may have a better chance to regain some power and at least get the pendulum back to center by avoiding the appearance of radicalism.

But I continue to support and desire a real return to Live and Let Live Liberalism, a de-corporatized, de-lobbyized, de-churched government and big changes in the distribution of wealth in the country. And I don't think people like Joe Biden can take us there.

So - my real problem is that Dems will split over this and the result will be losing focus and having no single loud voice with which to speak the truth to those who really need to hear it and understand it. The one thing Republicans did, and frankly, still do, right is to stay together and repeat the same message and therefore they appeared strong and committed - even when wrong.

Because I'm a born and raised Delawarean still living here, I've grown up with Biden as my only major congressional voice and I happen to know it used to be a lot more about us Delawareans/American people than it's become since the 80's -so I feel ok about judging him.

As for anyone invoking 9/11 in their political rhetoric - it repulses me because I'm an educated believer in the fact that our government was in some way involved in the event in the first place.

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:52 PM
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23. Uh, PDA wasn't Dean -- it was Kucinich. DFA was Dean
Democracy for America (originally Dean for America).

PDA is NOT on my personal list of "approved" group. Their Kevin came here not long ago and piled on Dean at a time when some others were also doing that, misquoting and mischaracterizing him, and just apparently wasn't in the mood to listen to reason or correct his inaccuracies. So they're on my shit list, and will stay there.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:17 PM
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24. Biden should count his blessings with Delaware and hope he can
remain in office -- turned into a self-seving SOB
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:22 PM
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25. Well, Whata ya know......
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 09:22 PM by FrenchieCat
:boring:
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:25 PM
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26. Sorry, gotta lock it...
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 11:26 PM by TreasonousBastard
because it's become a Biden-bashing party.



Constructive criticism is OK, but bashing and slashing of Democratic elected officials and party leaders is strongly discouraged.

(or words to that effect)

Biden might not be the greatest guy in the world, but he's still our not-so-great guy.





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