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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:07 PM
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Should Bush's Security Clearance be revoked?
I've read the latest Rove trash, gotten steamed and angry, and carefully considered what the consequences SHOULD be.

Bush himself, who NOW KNOWS that Rove and others in his administration have been involved in serious leaks of classified information (he can no longer claim ignorance since the story has been leaked all over the press, most likely by the White House itself), is doing nothing to prevent the continued leak of classified information. This is a violation of HIS OWN SECURITY CLEARANCE and subjects him to legal action under the law. We are watching willful violation of national security at the highest levels.

Should we push to have Bush's security clearance revoked until a full blown investigation of mis-handling of classified information in the White House can be conducted and reforms implemented?
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:09 PM
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1. Yes - Bush should lose his security clearance
Most people with Bush's arrest record would not qualify for a clearance.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:11 PM
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2. They never tell him anything.....
he's on the floor playing with his little plastic "Army Men" while the grown-ups do all, I hate to say it, but, thinking. In my opinion there is very little thought going into the bush agenda, except how to steal the Treasury bare. THAT they think about quite often.
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jilln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:21 PM
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3. No!!!
Just his job.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 10:23 PM
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14. And his freedom. He belongs in jail.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:41 PM
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4. Nobody gets it!!!
Powell had the Plame CIA file on the trip to Africa aboard Air Force One. Powell tells Dubya. Dubya calls Rove over and they proceed to plan their smear campaign. Everyone is hollering about Rove. Fuck Rove! Bush was THERE! Knew all along! The president approved the whole thing.
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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:55 PM
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5. Well...
...even if he didn't know then, he knows now.

Natch, he's currently violating national security by not investigating and putting a stop to the leaks. In short, he's affirmatively telling his staff that it's OK to leak classified materials.

More than enough to revoke his clearance.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:26 PM
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7. I think I saw that this happened before Rove had security clearance
I wonder if Powell knew that gw*dipshit told Rove.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:42 PM
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11. I agree...Here is the questions that the WH press should ask to trap Bush
I found this as a post under this article at motherjones:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2005/07/mclellan_stonew.html

This was posted by Twood: (I fixed the spelling)

"The Washington Press is actually quite stupid; they keep ramming into the wall that is McClellan the same way every time. What they should do is ask him if Bush had anything to do with the leak. See if McClellan pleads the 5th on that one. If he doesn't, they got him. (McClellan: "That's preposterous" Press Corp: "Aha! You commented on the case!") If he does, that's a great headline: BUSH A FELON? "No comment", says WH Spokesman."

Makes sense to me..


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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:07 PM
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6. yes, it's called IMPEACHMENT
let's do it.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:53 PM
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8. Yes, of course, but security clearance is not all that hard to get anyway
my ex has it!!!
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:20 PM
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9. Well, I like it...because
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 07:21 PM by jmowreader
Article II, Section 1, Clause 6, (on edit: add "of the Constitution of the United States of America" after "Clause 6") discusses removing the president for "inability to discharge the powers and duties of said office."

A president who has no security clearance--hence no access to classified material--is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office." This would put Shrub back in Crawford FAR quicker and more surely than impeachment would.

The only problem is, you'd also have to remove the clearances of Cheney and the rest of his gang of thieves.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:30 PM
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10. A military deserter shouldn't have a clearance
Obviously nobody does a background check on him and he sees all this anyway so how can a clearance be pulled if he doesn't have one and couldn't get one anyway.
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Alien8ed Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 10:05 PM
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12. Umm-hmm.
And would somebody please remember to finally revoke the clearances of his father's defunct administration, while they're at it?

They can ask Karl Rove for the mailing list, on that.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 10:12 PM
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13. Bush's presidency should be revoked. n/t
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 10:27 PM
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15. Of course
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 10:29 PM by fujiyama
if Bush were to lose his security clearance, he really wouldn't be president, not that I'd have a problem with that. I don't see the office of the presidency functioning without having a security clearance.

And we know, nothing short of impeachment will make that happen (which is not going to happen under a republican controlled congress).

So for now, I'd settle with Rove losing his clearance - and preferably his job.

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